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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 17 Sep 2019

Brahma baba's Audio recording v/s paper Murli- S.M.14.4.68.AM
We have many points in this class, lets see few today:

1. कागज में आया पु.2 मध्य में, लाइन नं. 21 में "कैसे जाके मूलवतन में निवास करते है...."| यहाँ मूलवतन की ही बात हो रही थी, लेकिन ऑडियो में @19.10 मिनट में आया "कैसे जाकर सूक्ष्मवतन में निवास करते है"| आगे फिर @19.17 मिनट में फिर सूक्ष्मवतन बोलते बोलते, फिर मूलवतन आगया|
-----मूलवतन की जगह बाबा ने सूक्ष्मवतन बोल दिया?

In the paper Murli, at line no. 21 of page 2, it is written "You children know, how the souls go and dwell in the incorporeal world". But in the audio recording @19.10 minutes it was said " You children know, how the souls go and dwell in the Subtle Region".

2. इससे थोड़ा आगे कागज में आया "बीच में मूवी का भी ड्रामा बना था| फिर टॉकी बना है"| यह शायद हद की दुनियावी बात बताई| @19.40 मिनट में ऑडियो में यह पॉइंट आना चाइए था, लेकिन स्किप होके सीधा साइलेंस की बात शुरू होजाती है| फिर यह कागज में कैसे आया?

A little ahead in the paper Murli, it is written "Sometime ago, silent film was invented. Then sound films are invented". But @19.40 minutes in the audio, this point was supposed to be spoken , but it was skipped and then Baba starts talking about ‘silence’ as in the paper.

3. पु.3 के अंत में (नीचे से 12 वीं लाइन) कागज में आया " कितनी बड़ी रुद्रमाला बनती है"| ऑडियो में 32.38 मिनट में आया "कितनी बड़ी रुण्डमाला बनती है"|
----रुद्रमाला ही सही है जो बड़ी बनती है| फिर बाबा ने रुण्डमाला बोल दिया?

At the end of page 3 (12th line from the end) in the paper Murli, it is written "Such a big Rudramala is formed”. But in the audio recording @ 32.38 minutes, it was said " Such a big Rundamala is formed”. Rundmaala was even further explained with the example of pedha (some Indian sweet) in the audio

Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/610.pdf

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/36.mp3

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 18 Sep 2019

Few more points compared- 14.4.68.A.M- Brahma Baba's audio V/S Paper Murli (Kaagaj ki Murli)

4. कागज में, पेज 2 नीचे से 18वीं लाइन में,आता है "फिर भी पढाई में कितना टाइम लगता है"| @20.10 मिनट में ऑडियो में, बाबा ने "पढाई" बोला ही नहीं| कुछ इस तरह से बताया की मनुष्यों को समझाने में टाइम लगता है| क्योंकि इस लाइन से पहले मनुष्यों को समझाने की बात हो रही थी| लेकिन 'टाइम' की बात तो पढाई के लिया लिखा है कागज़ में|
5. थोड़ा आगे पॉइंट आता है कागज में "इसीलिए भागीरथ बाप का सिंहासन भी मशहूर है"| ऑडियो में @20.45, "सिंघासन भृकुटि के बीच में है" ऐसे बोला बाबा ने| कागज में मशहूर शब्द कैसे घुस गया?
6. . अगला पॉइंट मुख्य है| थोड़ा आगे कागज में "बाबा भी यहां है तो भाई भी यहां है| इस भाई का रथ बाप ने लिया है"| ऑडियो में @21.38 मिनट, बाबा ने ठीक से बोला नहीं "भाई का रथ बाप ने लिया है"|
7. थोड़ा आगे कागज में "वहां का वातावरण ही और होता है"| गृहस्थ की बात आई| ऑडियो में @22.15 मिनट, यह स्किप होगया| और नाम रूप में फसने वाली बात बोल दी| फिर यह कागज में कैसे आया?
8. पु.2 के अंत में कागज में आया "सिर्फ बाप ही याद रहता है"| कर्मातीत अवस्था की बात बताई| ऑडियो में @22.50 मिनट में, बाबा ने यह ठीक से बोला ही नहीं|
9. आगे कागज में पेज 3, लाइन नंबर 17 और 18 में आया "बाबा ने देखा है ऐसे ब्रह्म लीन होने वाले कोई-2 जाते हैं"| ऑडियो में @28.08 मिनट, बाबा ने "बाबा ने देखा" की जगह "बाबा ने समझाया" बोल दिया| समझाया कहने से बाबा शब्द शिव के लिए हो जाता है| लेकिन कागज में "बाबा ने देखा है" आया|
आगे फिर से आया कागज़ में आगे "बाबा का देखा हुआ है"। जो ऑडियो में शायद फिर से बोला नहीं| लेकिन फिर भी बाबा ने सिंध का अनुभव सुनाया ऑडियो में, जो कागज़ में नहीं है|

Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/610.pdf

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/36.mp3

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 18 Sep 2019

Few more points compared- 14.4.68.A.M- Brahma Baba's audio V/S Paper Murli (Kaagaj ki Murli)

10. कागज़ में पेज 3 में, नीचे से तीसरी लाइन में आया, "अच्छा, बहुत सुनाने से क्या फायदा| बाप कहते है मनमनाभव"| जो ऑडियो में (33.45 मिनट से 34.10) नहीं आया, सिर्फ 'अच्छा' आया फिर दूसरी बात शुरू होगयी| फिर 34.10 मिनट से कुछ अलग बातें सुनाते है बाबा| ख़ास 35.35 मिनट से कुछ पुरानी बातें बताई|

11. इसी क्लास में कागज में पु.1 लाइन नंबर 7 में आया "वहां काल होता ही नहीं"| जो सतयुग की बात हो रही है| ऑडियो में 1.43 मिनट में बाबा कहते है "काल होता नहीं फिर भी समझाना होता है..."| यह लाइन "काल होता नहीं फिर भी समझाना होता है" दूसरे कोई कागज़ की मुरली में आई है जहाँ द्वापर कलियुग की 'काल' की बात हो रही होती| वहां समझाया कि ऐसा कोई काल होता नहीं है वहां भी, यह तो समझाया जाता है| लेकिन यह बात ऑडियो में यहाँ कैसे आगयी, जहाँ सतयुग की बात हो रही है?

12. कागज में पु.1 लाइन नंबर 16 में लिखा है "समझ को साक्षात्कार कहा जाता है"| ऑडियो में @4.13 मिनट "समझो" या कुछ बोलते है बाबा||

13. अब थोड़ा आगे कागज की मुरली में पु.1 में, 3 बार "टॉपिक" शब्द आया| लाइन नंबर 23 शुरू में, लाइन नंबर 28 शुरू में, फिर लाइन नंबर 23 में ही मध्य में| ऑडियो में तीनों जगह यह शब्द बोला ही नहीं बाबा ने|
6.20 मिनट से सुनो , @6.30 मिनट में "यह भी लिखने होते है" बोला बाबा ने टॉपिक की जगह| @7.35 मिनट पर, "इस पर भाषण" बोला बाबा ने टॉपिक की जगह| फिर @7.40 मिनट, "सिर्फ सुनने से" बोला बाबा ने, टॉपिक यहाँ भी नहीं बोला| थोड़ा आगे ऑडियो में @7.57 मिनट पर बाबा ने "टॉपिक" बोला, जो कागज़ में उस वक़्त नहीं है|

Audio link for 14.4.68.AM : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/36.mp3

link for paper Murli, 14.4.68.A.M : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/610.pdf

Some other classes - Brahma Baba's audio V/S Paper Murli (Kaagaj ki Murli)

S.M.25.1.68.AM—kagaj ki Murli me, page 1 ke ant me neeche se line no. 8,
“sab mein to full knowledge nahi hogi”. audio me @ 8.39 mins, baba bolte hai “ full..full pass to koi ho nahi sakte”.
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Fir kagaj me usi page me thoda aage “Bap to hai nirakar….fir respond Sakar kare ya nirakar kare” . audio me @10.05 mins me .

Audio link for 25.1.68.AM : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/111.mp3

link for paper Murli, 25.1.68.A.M : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/490.pdf

S.M.5.3.68.AM—kagaj me page 2 ke madhy me line no.19, parche chhapwane ki baat aati hai “ farrukhabad walo ne jhat parche chhapa kar baba ko bhej diye hain sample”. audio me @13.20 min, farrukhabad ka nam liya hi nahi.
“Bombay, Dilli, Kolkata walo ki buddhi me nahi baithi” yah to kagaj or audio dono me aaya. Fir “Farrukhabad” ka naam kyu nahi liya audio me, jinhone hi sample bhej diya tha.
Yah usi samay ki asali ghatna hai jo parche chhapwaye the, baba ne bola tha chhapwane jis samay yah Murli chali thi.

Audio link for 5.3.68.AM : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/28.mp3

link for paper Murli, 5.3.68.A.M : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/541.pdf

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 18 Sep 2019

Few more- Brahma Baba’s audio V/S Paper Murli

S.M.26.11.68.A.M
1. Kagaj me page 3 adi me line number 2, “sabhi patit vikh se paida hote hai”. audio me 23.14 mins me, vikh ki jagah vishta bol diya fir moot ....Vishta se kaise koi paida hoga? Vikh se hote hain....vishta se bacche kaise paida honge?.

2. Kagaj me usi page me line number 7, “abhi Delhi me bhi Morarji Desai Udghaatan kar raha hai”. audio me @ 24.42 mins me, Morarji Desai ka naam nahi liya. “Abhi jo udghaatan karte hai…“ aise bola.
Kagaj me, baat horahi ki aage jo udghaatan karne aate the unko tare di jaati thi. Abhi Morarji Desai ko bhi di javegi. Lekin audio me, pope ka bhi udaharan diya. Lekin Morarji Desai ka naam kyon nahi liya? Jis samay yah Murli chali hai, yah usi samay ki baat hai, Morarji Desai Delhi me koi centre ya kuchh udghaatan kar rahe the.

Audio link for 26.11.68.A.M: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/113.mp3

Paper Murli link for 26.11.68.A.M: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/914.pdf


S.M.13.4.68.AM

Kagaj me page 1 ke ad me, line number 9 me likha hai “tumhi se baithu tumhi se khelu…aise nahi tumhi se khau”.
Audio me @2.05 mins, Baba ne bola “tumhi se khau “. Tumhi se baith tumhi se khelu, yah nahi bola audio me. Jab ki kagaj ki bat sahi hai. Khelu, baithu thik hai or khaa nahi sakte.

Audio link for 13.4.68.AM : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/34.mp3
Paper Murli link for 13.4.68.AM : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/608.pdf

S.M.22.11.68.AM
1. Kagaj me page 2 ke madhy me line number 24 me aaya “yah pura dikhate nahi kaunsa rath lete hain”. Audio me @14.20 mins me, Baba ne “pura likha nahi…” bol diya. Jab ki dikhaate nahi aaya kagaj me.

2. isike aage kagaj me aaya “Bap kehte hai mai Brahma dwara….Main kaun hun? Param Atma artath Paramatma hun”. Audio me @14.36 mins me pata nahi baba kya bol rahe hai. “Mai Bap jo hun vah nikal diya hai. Bap mai keh sakta hu….” Wagaira.

Kagaj me page 3 me line number 9, “dance achha…lega”. audio me 22.20 mins me Baba ne bola “To Baba ki nazar padegi dancing ke upar to or hi dancing achha karenge”.
Jo Baba ne bola vah to pura clear sunai de raha hai clear. Fir kaagaj me “dance achha…lega” aise kyu likha? Beech me vahan “.....” (dot dot dot) kyun aaya?
“.....” ka matlab yah hoga ki jo Baba ne bola vah thik se sunai nahi diya ya samajh me nahi aaya. Yahan to audio me sab thik hai, fir kagaj me yah kyun? usme bhi "...lega" aaya jiska audio me aai hui baat se koi connection nahi dikhta.

3. usi line me Kagaj me bracket me likha hai. (Dancing girl ka misaal). Aise aksar likha hota hai murliyo me jahan jahan Baba ne kuchh kahani sunai hoti apne jivan ke. Yah thik hai. Fir usi hisaab se Brahma Baba ne apna anubhav sunaya audio me
'mai khud gaya tha invitation par' ‘mai gaya hu rajao ke paas’ ‘ wagira.22.35 mins se 25.45 mins tak suno dhyaan se. Achha sunaya.
Usme bhi @23.34 mins me audio me “mai agar dekhunga to unka vah taal bigad jayega”
Thoda aage mast point hai audio me. Yahan Brahma Baba or ShivBaba dono ek sath jaise baat kar rahe hai. Pehle Brahma Baba ne bola @23.52 mins me “vah gaya hua hai…..” fir aage seedha ShivBaba ne bola @23.50 mins me “yah batate apna mai gaya hu rajao ke paas….”
Thoda confusion hai lekin Ek baar Shiv, ek baar Brahma baat kar rahe the.
Bracket me misaal likha hai to ab misaal to dena hi padega na.

Audio link for 22.11.68.AM : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/106.mp3

Paper Murli link for 22.11.68.AM : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/906.pdf

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 18 Sep 2019

Some more- Brahma Baba’s audio V/S Paper Murli
S.M.23.11.68.A.M
1. Kagaj me page 2 ke ant neeche se 5vi line me, “ yah bhi unke baju me baitha hai” yah aaya. Audio me @21.12 mins, “Baba ke baju me yah baitha hua hai. Han (lago lag) baitha hua hai” aise bola Baba ne. Iske aage usi line me kagaj me “Baap samjhaate hain yah layak hai samajhne ka”, ikso bhi audio me suno.

2. Audio me @40.45 mins se, Baba detail me bata rahe hai ki kaise chhote chhote bachhe dhyan me chali jati thi. Bachho ko shringar karake late the Baba ko dekhte bas Baba ko dekhte rahenge Baba dekhte rahenge wagaira. Jaise yah baat kagaj me khatm hua aage kagaj me page 4 line 13 me aaya “Baba thode hi dekhte hai. Anayas jo noondh vah sakshatkar hota hai”..matlab Baba nahi dekhte- aise aaya. (Yah sab yagy ke aadi ki baate hain)
Audio ko aage sunte jaao vahi se. @41.35 mins me fir Baba ulta bata rahe hai abhi ki “koi Drishti thodi dete. Baba drishti thodi dete“ wagaira wgaira. Lekin indirectly audio me yahi bataya jo kagaj me aaya “Baba thode dekhte hai”. Lekin yah line nahi bola Baba ne audio me. Iska ulta pehle hi bol chuke the.
Iske 2-3 line aai audio me jo kagaj me hai. Aakhri line “yah koi nai baat nahi hai”, iske baad ka hissa audio me nahi hai. Kuchh or baate sunake Baba ne last line bol diya "meethe2 sikiladhe....". Aise bahut murliyo me hua hai. Fir kagaj me kyu hai vah baate? Aai kahan se?

2. fir audio me @39.30 mins ke aaspaas, Baba ne apni baat batayi. “raas humne bhi bahut kiya chhotepan…jab raas karte the Bhakti me to krishn ko rakhte the”. (Yah baat dusre koi bhi kagaj ki Murli me nahi aayi ki Baba raas karte the chhotepan me. Ho sakta hai aaya bhi ho, humne sab kuchh thodi padha hai)

Link for Audio : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/108.mp3
Link for Paper Murli : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/908.pdf

S.M.25.11.68.A.M
1. kagaj me page 4 line 7,8,9 me aaya “Baba to duniya me bhi rahe hai na. bilkul sahukaro ke sath bhi rahe, to garibo ke sath bhi rahe…Musalmano ke sath bhi rahe hai” wagaira. Audio me @31.38 mins se baba ne fir thoda vistaar se bataya pura .
2. Kagaj me page 4 me neeche se line no. 14-15 me , gitti khilaane ki baat.aai. audio me 38.50 mins se suno Baba ne yah bhi bata diya 300-350 ko bhi khilaya apne hath se.

Link for Audio : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/111.mp3
Link for Paper Murli : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/912.pdf

S.M.18.7.68.AM
1. Kagaj me page1 line 1 me aaya “bacche samajhte hai hum atmao ko Baap samjhaate hain”.
Audio me @ 0.25 mins me, “bachhe samajhte hai ki..bacche baap samajhte hai atmo ko” aisa kuchh bola Baba ne. fir iske turant kagaj me “Or Baap apan ko atmao ka baapsamajhte hai” aaya.. Audio me @0.28 mins “Or apan ko baap samajhte hai atmao ka” bola Baba ne. Dhyan se suno kuchh samajh me nahi ayega. Lekin baat akhir sahi boli Baba ne. lekin dono sentence me, ‘Bap kya samajhte hai’ is nazar se bataya. Matlab Baap hi baap apne bachhe atmao ko samajhte hai (dusra sentence) Aur apan ko baap samajhte hai atmao ka. Dono jagah samajhne wala Baap hi hai. Jab ki kaagaj me pehli baat me “Samajhne wale bacche hai” or kya samajhte hai? “Hum atmao ko Baap samjhaate hai”. Thoda mehnat lagega samajhne me. Lekin thoda galat hi sahi, audio me kaafi creativity dikhi.
2. Kagaj me page 1 me, neeche se 17vi line “kis sharir me pravesh karte hai vah pata to batla di hai”. Audio me @8.55 mins me suno. Pata nahi is tarah ke points aate hi Baba humesha haste kyun hai?
3. kagaj me page 2 me ant me aaya ki sarp jo khal badalta hai usko nahi kahenge ki ek sharir chhod dusra liya (waise hi Satyug me bhale sharir dusra lete hai lekin mrityu nahi kahenge)
Page 2 me neeche se line number 13,14 me yah baat aati. Fir “unke liye nahi kahenge sharir chhod dusre me pravesh karte” yah baat sarp ke liye aaya. Ya fir devtao ke liye bola hoga sarp ka misaal deke.
Lekin audio me @16.30 mins, “Janvaro ke liye aise nahi kahenge saara sharir chhodkar ke uski atma pravesh karti hai” bola Baba ne wagaira. Baba kehne ka matlab fir bhi sahi hai. Vah shayad keh rahe ki janvaro ka misaal devtao ke liye nahi de sakte. Sirf ek sarp ka hi misaal de sakte. Par iski kya jarurat thi?

Link for Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/60.mp3
Link for Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/769.pdf

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Some more- Brahma Baba’s audio V/S Paper Murli

S.M. 6.1.68.AM
1. Kagaj me page 4, line no. 22 me aaya “Number one hi kehte hai hum nahi jante the”. Yahan atma paramatma kya cheej hai is baat ko number one matlab Brahma bhi jaante the pehle.
Audio me @42.27 mins me, pehle baba ne bola “Hum khud nahi jaannn….” Fir ekdum break lagake, fir bolte hai “arey yah jo baithe hue na number 1..kuchhh nahi jante the”.
Matlab pehle bolna chahte the “Hum khud nahi jante the” lekin kagaj me kuchh is tarah se aaya ki ShivBaba Number ke me bare me kuchh bol rahe hai. To “Hum” se seedha ShivBaba ki awaz me bol diya “yah jo baithe hue na number 1…” . Matlab khud hi ShivBaba bankar khud ke bare mi hi baat kar rahe hai.
Isse thoda peechhe suno @42.17 mins me, “Baap ka to farz hai aisa keh deta hu fir” aise bol rahe jaise ShivBaba hi bol raha ho. Kamaal to ShivBaba ki hi hai na.Kamaal karne ki baat ho rahi thi audio me.

2. Kagaj me page 3, line no.8 me aaya “(aravindo Ghosh ki history).”
Audio me @21.40 mins se kaafi vistar se bataya baba ne.

Audio link : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/4.mp3
Paper Murli link: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/484.pdf

S.M.18.9.67.A.M
1. Kagaj me page 1, line number, neeche se 13 me aaya “aise mat samjho Brahma samjhate hain. Humesha ShivBaba hi samjho..."
Audio me @6.10 mins, Baba kehte hai "kyu ki Baap sharir de diya Baba to kehte hai jaise ki
mai..vah mailk jaise sharir ka.." wagaira. fir aage bola (isiko continue karo audio me),
"aise mat samjho ShivBaba kuchh bhi Gyan sunate hai, Brahma Sunate. bacche aise hi samjho ShivBaba…" bola.
Dhyan se suno. pehle yah bol diya galti se 'aise mat samjho ShivBaba sunate hai'
Galat bol diya na. Hona chaie "aise mat samjho Brahma sunate hai" jaise kagaj me aaya. fir iske bad yah bhi bol diya turant 'brahma sunate hai'. matlab, thik kiya. aise mat samjho Brahma sunate.

Padhte waqt Baba kafi galat padh lete hai, kabhi kabhi fir usko thik karne ki koshish bhi karte hai.
Isi audio ko thoda 1-2 mins peechhe se sunoge to Baba ne kacheri karne ki baat ko bahana bana ke yah upar wala point sunaya ki yah samajhte hi nahi yah ShivBaba ka order hai. iska bhi kuchh connection hai. Yah bhi bola audio me “ishara diya tha na’. yah point isiliye jaruri hai kyon ki audio me aise points bahut aate hai.
Jaise ki jab kagaj me aaya “bachhi se poochha tha baba ne” to audio me ayega “ kal hi poochha tha is bacchi se”. aise bhi points hai jo baad me dekhenge.

Link for Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1967/51.mp3
Link for Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/412.pdf

Is audio ka type kiya hua Murli bhi milegi isi website me. Yah bhi kaam ayega. agar audio sunne me dikkat ho rahi ho to isse compare kar sakte. Is audio ke liye pdf ka link, http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1967/51.pdf , isme page 2 me ekdum shuru se hi yah baate hai audio ke jo upar bataya.

isi class ka agla point.
2. Kagaj me page 1, line no.20 me aaya "Bhal purusharthi hai| to bhi kab.....isiliye baba kehte hai apna chart rakho". yahan kagaj me beech me "..." (dot dot dot) aaya. jiska matlab hota ki audio me us waqt jo Baba ne bola hai vah thik se sunne me nahi aaya ya samajhne me nahi aaya.
Ab audio me dekhte hai, @3.45 mins me Baba ne bola "Bhale purusharthi hai. to bhi kab talak yah dukh dete rahenge". matlab ekdum clear bola hai, jo sunne me, samajhne me aa raha hai. Fir bhi kagaj me "..." kyon aaya? audio ka pdf me bhi dekho, line no. 20 or 21. vahan bhi pura likha hua hai.
to kya Baba Murli padh rahe the? jo pehle se hi type kiya hua hai, jisme yah "..." tha pehle se.
par audio me Baba ne 'fill in the blanks" samajh ke usko thik kar diya jaise upar dekha. Is tarah ke points bhi kafi milenge. Kuchh cases me aise hota ki, kagaj me bhi “....” Aaya hua hai. Fir audio me us jagah bilkul kuchh bola nahi. Aise nahi ki sunne me nahi aaya. Bola hi nahi. Jab kuchh bola nahi to “...” kyun?

3. Kagaj me page 2 ke ant me, neeche se dusri line, “…aape hi apan kachaheri karo” . Isme bhi “....” Aaya. Isko khud dekh lo chahe to.


S.M.12.1.69.P.M (Mast point hai)
1. Kagaj me page 2 ke aadi me- baba ki jivan ki baat aai.. “cricket match dekhne jaate the.sham ko 5 baje chai ka time. table par baith heere chhante the vyapariyo se .fir darwano ko dete the bech ke aao” wagaira. Khud dekh sakte ho, kaafi interesting point hai. Brahma aise tha asli zindagi me jab Kolkata me vyapari ban gaya tha. Uska life style par bataya yahan thoda.
Audio me @16.10 mins ke aaspaas, yah Baba kehte hai chadha ke ki “yah ek mere ko haanvi thi”. Jaise khud hi Brahma ho. Or jaise ki yah Vani bas abhi first time inke hi much se nikal ke aa rahi ho. Jab ki Kagaj me to ShivBaba ki awaz me bataya jaa raha hai. Fir audio me Brahma ki awaz me kyun? yah to aksar hota hai kaafi audios me.
is audio ko dhyan se suno pura @15-16 mins se aage..kitna chadhaa ke batate hai. Kagaj me sirf aaya "Haanvi thi". audio me "yah ek mere ko haanvi thi" wagaira wagaira.

Link for audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1969/18.mp3
Link for Paper Murli : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/1002.pdf

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Brahma Baba's audio V/S Paper Murli- Continued

S.M.31.8.65.A.M (iska audio ka PDF bhi available hai)
1. Kagaj me ekdum shuru me, 2nd line, “Jo samajhte hai hum inka arth samjhaa sakte hai vo aakar yahan sunave”. Class me Geet ka arth samjhane ke liye bataya gaya bachho ko.
Agar yah Murli direct chali hai, us audio me, to fir thik hai. Agar yah sab direct Vani nahi hai to fir jo bhi audio me hua, vah sab sirf imitation tha, matlab abhi kagaj me likha hai to vah act karna padega.. Audio me suno @2 mins se @3.15 mins tak.
Yahan to discussion nahi hua. Dusra ek class hai jisme pura arth batate hai bacche, audio me baba correct bhi karwate jaate. Vah bad me mila to batayenge.

2. Audio me @3.16 mins me “Jangli tota to nahi banna hai na”. Ekdum clear aaya audio me. Fir bhi Kagaj me page 1 me, 2nd line me hi “Junglee…nahi banna hai” aise aaya. Beech me “....” Kyon aaya?

3. kagaj me page 1 me, line no.4 me aaya “Baba ne ek bacchi se poochha tumko santaan kitna hai?”
Audio me @3.50. Mins se suno, “....kal hi poochha santan kitna hai…mai to samajh gaya” aise bola baba ne. yah dono baate dhyan se suno. Aise kyon proof de rahe hai ki haan kal poochha tha. Or yah bhi bata rahe ‘mai to samajh gaya’. Jab ki kagagj me aaya “Hum to samajh gaye hai….”.Yah to kuchh sabeet karne ki koshish hai. Kagaj ki Murli me jo baat aai usko apne upar lagu kara rahe hai. Us samay jab audio chala, vahan koi bacchi thi bhi ki nahi jissevastav me poochha gaya tha, pata nahi.

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1965/40.mp3

Paper Murli link: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/196.pdf

Audio PDF link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1965/40.pdf

S.M.10.7.67.P.M
1. Kagaj me page 1 me, line no. 23 and 24 aaya ki Bap (Dada Lekhraj) ne kaise dhandha chhoda, unko avinashi ratno ka vyapari mila wagaira.
Yahi baat audio me @8 mins se @9 mins tak suno, fir isko kagaj ke us 2 lines se compare karo. Dhyan se suno, expression samjho audio me.

2. Kagaj me page 1 me, line no. 16 me aaya, “ Gyaanmaarg me fir yukti..charitr bahut chaie”. “...” aaya beech me.
Audio me @5.30 mins me baba ne bola “is gyanmarg me yuktiya bahut chaie, charitr bahut chaie”. Fir kagaj me “....” Kyun aaya?
Dusri baat, kuchh murliyo me yah bhi dekha gaya ki jo scanned Murli hai usme bhi “...” hi aaya hai. Fir kuchh scanned me, likha hua to hai, lekin dikhta nahi thik se, to fir type karte waqt usko “...” me kiya jo pdf hume mile hai. Dono cases hai.

3. is class ka jo audio file ka naam hai “10-7-67 PM Deepavali Ed”. Is tarah kuchh classes me likhe hai, jyadatar din ka naam daal diya last me. _tue ho to class Tuesday chali thi.
Lekin 1967 me Deepavali 2nd November ko thi. Na ki 10th July ko.

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1967/25.mp3

Paper Murli link: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/366.pdf

S.M.13.1.69.AM
Kagaj me page 3 me, line no.- neeche se 15 and 16 me aaya “yah bhi to patit than na. Sari ayu 60 varsh tak patit raha”
Isko audio me suno, @28.20 mins me aaya “mai bolta bhi hu yah bahut dekho..bal brahmachari nahi hai yah bilkul hi…sari ayu poori ki hai patit hone ki 60 varsh ki” bol to ShivBaba ki awaz me rahe hai, lekin aise chadhake extra kuchh bhi ‘add’ kyon karte humesha? Prove karna chahte ki mere hi bare me baat arahi hai? Khud socho yah koi direct Murli ki kya hai.

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1969/19.mp3

Paper Murli link: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/1003.pdf

S.M. 28.9.63.A.M
Iska sirf audio hi hai.
1. @33 mins, aage jo bhatti bani thi, bhagaya tha, uske bare me bata rahe hai.
(@33.40 mins bola, vah kehte the maine nahi bhagaya tha) , gayyo ki baat, Krishn ki baat wagaira.
2. @39.30 mins fat se bola, “dekho krishn ki atma katha sunati hai yah atma”. Pata nahi kagaj me aagaya hoga yah point ya aisa kuchh.
3. @43.45 mins, fir krishn ki bat.

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/8.mp3

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Brahma Baba's audio V/S Paper Murli - Continues

Sabse important class to yah hai : S.M.30.8.65 PM
Lekin iska kagaj wali Murli gayab hai filhal. Lekin audio ka PDF hai .
1. Page 1 ke madhy me aaya, “Jinhone hath uthaya hai”. Audio me @3-4 mins ke aaspas yah skip hogaya. Beech me kuchh bhi aaya, fir aage bad me bola. Kyon ki hath uthaye nahi honge koi. Jab pehle Murli chali hogi to hath uthane walo ko kaha “jinhone hath uthaya…”. Yahan kisko bolenge? To skip hogaya.
Isme bolne ka tarika bhi badal gaya kagaj ke muqabale. Wahan shayad ShivBaba ki awaz me chali thi Murli.

2. audio me @7.30 mins me,, kisine bola “mai sikhlaungi”, or yahi baat kagaj me bhi bracket me likha gaya tha.

3. audio me @8.28 mins me bola, baki inko samajha do. Vahan kisiko samajh me nahi aaya to class me bacche poochne lage kaun kaun? To Baba ne bola “Queen”. Us samay “queen” thi ki nahi pata nahi. Kagaj me naam aaya tha.

4.. Kagaj me page 3 adi me aaya, “yeh tape me bhi naam dete rahenge”. Matlab isse pehle bhi tape bante the original Murli jab chali. Audio me bhi yah aaya @14.10 mins

5. Kagaj me page 3 madhy me, “Fir…”. Audio me bhi us waqt kuchh bola nahi @15.17 mins. Fir “...” kyun?

6. Thoda aage music baja, vah bhi bracket me likha hua hai. Jarur imitation hoga music bajane ka. Aage geet ki baate Murli me aai.

7.Kagaj me page 3 ke ant me, ek bacchi ka naam aaya “Jamuna”. Audio me suno @18.05 mins me kaise bol rahe hai Baba. Jaise queen ki baat aai thi upar, bilkul waise hi ab Jamuna ka nam aaya.

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1965/39.mp3
Audios PDF link : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1965/39.pdf

S.M. 29.9.63.A.M (EKDUM MAST HAI – sirf audio + audio ka pdf)
1. @3.55 mins, bap rup badal aya hai. (audio me, “abhi dekho bap kehte hai na yah bap yah”- khud ki taraf isharaya kiya padhne ke bad)

2. @5.05 mins, mai sabhi vedo shastro ka arth samjhata
hu. (audio me, khud ke liye ishare dete hue bola- “abhi yah bolte hai haa, Gita ko bahut padhne wala, maanne wala” wgaira wagaira)
--Jab ki 7-8 audio me dekha gaya ki jab jab kagaj me ‘yada yada hi Dharmasya..’ aaya, audio me humesha Glanirbhavati ki Glanirbhavata Bharata bolte hai yah. Gita ko itna padha hota to aise nahi bolte. Or shlok sunane ka style se bhi aise nahi lagta. Uska audio bhi dikhayenge aage. Dusri baat, jo asal me Baba tha, uske liye Sakar Murli me kafi jagah bataya ki usne zindagi bhar Gita padhi hai. ‘Jap-Saheb’, ‘Sukhmani’ jo sikkho ke granth hai vah to pura Kanthasth the unko. Vahi fir yagy kea aadi me pehle pehle Gita hi sunate the satsang shuru hua to. Fir jab pata chala ki yah jhoothi Gita hai to usne fenk di. Yah baat murliyo me 20-25 jagah mili hai. Lekin inko sunke nahi lagta.

3. @8 mins, to baap aakar ke samjhate hai. (audio me fir se “dekho yah baat karte hai abhi”- inko to sab pata chalta hai, kaun kab baat karte hai. Baba to kehte ki kuchh pata nahi chalta.)

4. @10.15 mins, abhi prajapita. pura padha bhi nahi thik se.

5. @15.30 mins, yah bhi pandit tha koi samay me. (haste hai audio me)

6. @23.15 mins, ab vah shlok aaya Gita ka. (“glanirbhavata bharata” bola aakhir. Yah kaise Gita padhe hue hai)

7. @48.18 mins, fir se vahi shlok aaya (“glanirbhavata bharata” usi dhang se bola)

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/9.mp3

Audio PDF link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/9.pdf

S.M. 21.10.1963.A.M
@43.32 mins: Geet chalta hai (Audio me bata rahe “ Dekho unki mahima hai, inko bhi vah meetha bana rahe hai. Bahut meetha banate hai. Dekho yah bhi meetha hai na bahut”- ShivBaba ki awaz me khud ki tarifkar rahe hai)
Aage @43.46 mins me kehte josh me “'dukh denge dukhi hoke
marenge, marenge, marenge”. Aise aksar karte hai Baba audio me kafi classes me. Itna nashe me rehte humesha.

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/13.mp3

Audio ka PDF ka link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/13.pdf

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Brahma Baba’s audio V/S Paper Murli - Continues

S.M.25.12.68.A.M
1. page 2 me, line no. 29 se, yah baat chal rahi ki manushyo ko apne jhaad ka pata nahi. Baki (jad) jhado ko jaante hai. Jhaad ka beej agar chaitany hota to vah bhi apna parichay deta. Yahi baat audio me @22.22 mins se 22.36 mins tak aata hai jo thik bataya. Iske turant baad kagaj me, line no. 31 me aaya “To abhi tum bacche hi rachaita or rachna ke raaz ko jaante ho”. Matlab, ShivBaba baccho ko keh rahe, abhi tum hi manushy srishthi ka rachaita or rachna ko jaante ho, baki manushyo ko apna hi jhaad ka pata nahi hai. Itni si baat hai. Iska clarification audio me @22.36 mins se, Brahma Baba ne aise diya- “parantu usko (jhaad ko) batane ki darkaar hi nahi, tum jaante ho, vah (jhaad) khud kehte hai mai jad hu tum chaitany ho, tum hi humari (jhaad ki) rachna ko jaante ho. Samjhe na, (jhaad) bolte nahi hai, par samajhne jaise aati hai”. Kitna interesting bana diya. Jab ki kagaj me sirf itna aaya Isse pehle Murli me aaya na manushy apne jhaad ko nahi jaante. Baki jhaado ka jaante hai. Isiliye Baba confuse hogaye shayad. Or aise bataya ki jhaad kehta hai tum humari rachna ko jaante ho, mai jad hu tum chaitany ho. Haa aise samajhna hai, jhaad kehta nahi.

Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/159.mp3

Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/968.pdf

S.M.7.3.68.P.M
1. Page 1 me, line no. 8 me aaya, “Krishn ki bhi atma yahan hai na”.
Audio me @1.43 mins, baba ne bola “abhi Krishn atma jarur hai”.

2. page 1 me, neeche se line no. 17 , kagaj me Krishn ke chitr par bat ho rahi. Vahi baat audio me @5.15 mins se shuru hota hai. Dhyan se sunte jao or kagaj ko dekho. @6 mins aaspaas audio me, vahan se Bhaktimarg me dher ke dher chitr hai vahan tak thik se padhte.Fir uske bad, @6.15 mins me, kaagaj me jo baate Brahma or ajmer ke mandir par aai, vah sab chhodke, “tum ho Brahman” vahan chale jaate. Beech me 3 line skip kar gaye

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/31.mp3
Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/543.pdf

S.M. 10.1.64.AM
Audio me @40.20 mins se suno, jahan aakhri line bol rahe hote Baba “meethe meethe ruhani….”.
(interesting) Fir achanak se @40.27 mins me, beech me bolte hai “Mere ko jarur sabhi Yaad aate hain. Tumko dekh karke nahi kehta hu. Dekhta tumko hu lekin jaise Baba kehte hai nahi ruhani bacche…mai jab dekhta hu to bacche bacche….” aisa kuchh. Iske aage bhi suno audio kuchh interesting baate bol rahe hai... Iksa PDF refer karo samajh me ayega kya bola hoga.

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1964/3.mp3

Audio ka PDF : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1964/3.mp3

S.M.8.9.64.AM
1. @45 mins, “shuruat me baba ne kaha tha...” –yah kehte hue has rahe hain, pata nahi kyon.

2. @46.57 mins “humko swarg me jana nahi .nahi hai. Nahi hai. Nahi hai. Aise bhi kar dete hai. Humko to nark me rehna hai rehna hai…..” . aisi baate to hoti rehti hai audio me.

Audio : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1964/37.mp3

Audio ka PDF: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1964/37.pdf

S.M.2.5.64.P.M
@11.44 mins, Unki to chandrama yah hogai na. (sharmaate hai)

Audio : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1964/13.mp3

S.M.15.1.69.A.M
Kagaj me page 3 me, neeche se line no. 9 se “Kameshu, krodheshu….” Yah baate aati hai thoda aage jaate fir vahi vikaar ki baate shuru hoti hai
Audio me @30.55 mins se yah shuru hota hai. Thoda hi Baba padhte hai. Fir jahan kagaj me “Guru log bhi…” ya fir use pehle hi, Baba vahan se skip kar jaate hai 5-6 line. Fir @31.50 mins me, page 4 me chale jaate. Hume nahi lagta yahan cassette change hua hao.
Isse pehle bhi ek class me jo court ka case ki baat aai thi, Baba ne padha hi nahi tha. “baap bacchi se, baap bacchi se samjhe na..” aisa karke aage chale gaye the. Matlab Baba sharmajate aisi baate dekh ke. Vah thik hai. Fir yah sab kaagaj me kaise aaya agar yah direct Murli ho to? Baba ne bola hi nahi.

Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1969/23.mp3

Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/1007.pdf

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Brahma Baba’s audio V/S Paper Murli - Continues

S.M. 26.9.63 (VERY IMPORTANT)

1. @8.10 mins, audio me kehte hai “yah Bapuji yahan baithe hue hai na bada”…Khud ki taraf ishare de rahe ki yahan shiv aaya hua hai.

2. Audio se pehle, yah samajh lo, kagaj ki Murli padhoge to aisa nahi lagta ki Baba alag alag jagah jaate the Murli sunane. Asali jo Baba the. Gaye bhi honge. Kuchh Murli me Bombay ki baat aai hai, jahan Baba gaye the. Humare paas thodi si murliya hai waise.
Lekin yah Baba jo audio me hai, yah humesha Delhi, Mumbai, UP wagaira jaate the Murli sunane. Lekin vahan jo Murli sunaya, uski kagaj wali version me us sthan ki koi jikr nahi hai. Lekin audio cassette jo banaya gaya hai usme yah shuru me batate hai har cassette. Jaise “Hum Bombay se bol rahi hai” is class ka suno. Waise kabhi Delhi, Madhuban wagaira. Ek pic mila hai jisme yah wala Baba “Texas” me hai, pata nahi vahi U.S ki Texas hai ki kuchh or hai. Is audio cassette me Baba bata rahe ki Baba ko kaise Yaad kare. Kehte hai “Baba yahan bhi aate, vahan bhi aate, kal vahan rahenge…abhi tumko Murli suna rahe hai…..Baba aaj Bombay me, Dilli me hai..” wagaira. Yah baat thik hai Murli ke hisaab se, lekin thik bhi tab hai jab inme ShivBaba ho.

Dusri baat, is cassette me, ShivBaba ko yahan bhi, upar (Parandham me) bhi Yaad karne ke liye bol diya. Kuchh aisa bhi bola ki Jo ki bilkul galat hai, Murli ke anusaar. Murli me iske khilaaf bola hai ShivBaba ne, upar kyon nahi Yaad kare vah bhi samjhaaya. Yah bhi bataya, is samay jo parandham me Yaad karte vah hua Bhaktimaarg. Audio me kuchh is tarah ki baate bolte hai beech me beech me “Rehne wala vahan, vahan se yahan aaye hai. Fir vahan jayega. Humko bhi vahan jaana hai”.

Isiliye aaj bhi BKs me ShivBaba ko Parandham Yaad karte hai, vahan khud jaake Shakti bharke aate hai. Is tarah ka imagination ko Yaad nahi kahenge.
BKs yah bhi samajhte ki Baba Parandham se aake Avyakt Brahma me pravesh karte fir Vani chalake wapas Parandham jaate hai. Murli me iske khilaaf bola hai. Koi bhi atma, Shiv ko bhi jod ke, ek baar neeche aagai to fir jab tak pura drama khatm na ho tab tak jaa nahi sakti wapas. Jab wapas gai to fir agle kalp me hi neeche aana hai. Moksh ka to sawaal hi nahi uthta.

Yah sara agyaan kahan se phaila? Suno audio me dhyaan se, (Important point) @42.15 mins se 43.10 mins tak. Sunne me dikkat ho rahi ho to iska PDF refer karo.

Audio me jinn ke bare me samjhaa rahe hai. Jaise jinn ko kam diya tha seedhi upar chadho neeche utaro. Waise hi “tum abhi upar yad karo fir neeche karo. Abhi yaha hai fir vaha gaya” wagaira. Yah bhi bataya “baba baith arth samjhate hai.” Yah bhi koi arth hua? Original kagaj ki Murli me yah sab baate bilkul nahi hongi. Dusri kagaj ki murliyo me ShivBaba ne bataya, tum is ek janm me seedhi chadhte ho, fir neeche utarte ho 5000 saal me. Fir upar chadha ek janm, fir neeche utarte ho. yah anaadi chakr drama ka chalta hi rehta hai. Kabhi band nahi ho sakta

PDF me jarur padh lena (second half of page 9)

Audio : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/7.mp3
Audio ka PDF: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/7.pdf

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Piichhle post me jo bataya ki Parandham me Baba ko Yaad karne ko Baba ne Bhaktimaarg bataya hai. Lekin Murli me yah bhi aaya ki “Shantidham ko Yaad karo”, “Sukhdhaam ko Yaad karo”. Iska matlab yah nahi ki Baba ko vahan Yaad karo. Iska matlab murliyo me hi bataya, jahan hume jaana hai abhi un cheejo ko Yaad karo. Yah bhi bataya, yah Gyan buddhi me hona chaie ki hum kahan se aaye hai, wapas kahan jayenge, fir kahan aayenge. Yah gyaan ki baat hai. Baithke koi imagination me dubne ki baat nahi hai.yah gyaan hai na? Yah sach hai..Shantidham hai vastav me. Sukhdhaam bhi aayega. Or hum wahan jaane wale hai. Is sach ko samajhna, yah Yaad hai. Waise hi atma ki bhi baat hai. Imagination karna Bhakti hai.

Pichhle post ke hisab se, aise nahi ki us ek class se pura agyan phail gaya yad ko leke BKs me. Nahi. Yah samajhne ki baat hai ki us samay kaisa mahol tha, kis tarah ka Gyan tha baccho me, overall. Asali Brahma hota to aisa hota?

Back to- Brahma Baba’s audio V/S Paper Murli :

S.M.26.10.1963.A.M
1. Audio me ekdum shuruvat me, Baba geet ka arth pooch rahe hai Baccho se. Jarur kagaj me aaya hoga, Baba arth poochhte hai. Shuru se 6 mins tak.
2. Audio me @13 mins, ”Hum dekho kya kehta hu, dawn to dusk knowledge deta hu”. Fir aage ‘Dawn to Dusk’ iska arth samjhaaya Baba ne. Waise sahi samjhaaya. "Hum" jo lagaya, us par doubt hai.

3. Audio me @14.18 mins, pehle kagaj dekh padha Baba ne ‘Baba poochhte hain ki tum bacche abhi kahan ho? Dawn me ho ya Dusk me ho?’. Fir @14.28 mins me kehte (dhyan se suno) , “Thehro poochhta hu”. Fir poochhne lagte hai. Isko PDF me thik se type nahi kiya, isiliye audio par dhyan do yah samajhne ke liye. Pehle padhte kagaj, fir usi hisab se act karte hai. Agar direct Murli hai, to pehle pooch liya na. aage bolte ‘batao’ ya ‘jawab do’. Aise nahi ‘thehro poochhta hu’.

4.Audio me @17.20 mins, yeh vanprasth me hai or yah javaan hai. (haste hai)

5. Audio me @25.17 mins, pehle shayad kagaj se padha “mai kabhi kabhi aise likhta hu”. Fir is baat ko sabeet karne ke liye aage kya bolte hai suno @ 25.20 mins se “koi koi ko likhta bhi hu…..(kuchh sunaya)....hum likhta hai bacchi..badi kadi dose dena padta hai nahi. Ha. Koi koi kada dose dena padta hai”. Kagaj me padhne ke baad yah sab extra suna diya, ‘mai kabhi kabhi likhta hu’ , ‘hum likhta hu bacchi’- matlab maam lo meri baat, ‘kada dose dena padta hai’.

Audio : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/15.mp3
Audio ka PDF :http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1963/15.pdf

S.M.13.9.68.AM
Audio me @10.40 mins se 16-18 mins tak, yagy ke aadi ki bate- akhbar me pada, mehatrani ka jadu, picketing wagaira bata rahe hai.
Jo kagaj me page1 ant or page 2 adi me hai.
Audio me @12.20 mins- main unko bola wagaira---audio me “main unko” aaya ki “bhal unko”? thik se samajh me nahi aaya.
Yagy ke aadi ki kuchh bate samajhne ke liye kagaj ki yah wali Murli padho.

Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/75.mp3
Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/793.pdf

S.M.26.1.68.A.M
1. Kagaj me page 1, dusri line me aaya “ (Baap jab aate to kisiko pata nahi padta,) kyonki hai gupt. Tum bacche bhi ho gupt.”
Audio me suno @1.43 mins se, kehte “kyon ki (baap) hai incognito. Or tum bacche ho cognito”
Vastav me, hum bacche bhi gupt hai. Incognito hai,yah hum sabko pata haiBacche mana hum atmaye. Jo kagaj me thik hi likha hai. Socho fir yah direct Murli thi ya nahi?

2. Kagaj me, usi page me, line no. 6 me aaya “Koi ko dekhte the to nashe me aajate the”.
Audio me @2.28 mins, keh rahe “yeh jarur hota hai ki isko dekhta hai to thoda nashe me aajte hai”. Matlab is bat ko apne upar leke aaye seedha. Inko dekhta to nashe me aajate. Vah bhi ShivBaba ki awaz me bol rahe hai. “isko dekhta hai”. Matlab jaise swayam Shiv, inme baithke inke bare me bata rahe ho.
Bahut dhyan dene ki baat hai. Kagaj ki Murli me, past ki baat batai. Jo shuru shuru me jab asali Brahma me praveshata hui. Kagaj me shuru ke 8-9 line padho pura page 1 me. Audio me yah present ki baat bata rahe ki inko dekh ke nashe me aajate.
Dusri baat, kagaj me, shuru ki hi baat ho rahi ki exactly kaunse din Brahma me praveshata hui uska koi tithi tarik nahi hai. Baki sab manushyon ka janm ka tithi tarik hota hai. Jaise ShivBaba batate “Krishn ka pura tithi tarik nikaalte hai, Shivjayanti ka nahi nikaal sakte”. Manushyon ka to second tak nikaala jaa sakta hai. Uski baat ho rahi hai kagaj me.

Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/18.mp3
Paper Murli : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/491.pdf

S.M.23.7.68.A.M
1. (Scan wala) Kagaj me page 3 me, line no.7 - 8 se, Ravan jalane ki, Bandar sena, Dusshera wagaira ki baate aati hai. Aage fir Amar Katha ki baat.
Audio me @22.50 mins se yah shuru hoga. @23.40 me bata rahe ki “Maine nahi kabhi dekha hai” – jo Dusshera ki baat horahi thi. Fir aage @25.10 mins me bata rahe “Baba dekha to hai na vahan”- yahan amaranth ki baat hai.
Dusre kagaj ke Murli me aaya ki Brahma mana asali Dada Lekhraj vahan gaye the dekhne. To usika imitation kar rahe ki khud gaye the, pata nahi.

2. Audio me @22.40 mins se suno, vahan bhi “mai” laga diya. “mai likhta hu…”

Audio : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/69.mp3
Scanned paper Murli : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... 3-7-68.pdf

S.M.25.5.68.A.M
1. Kagaj me page 2, line no. 28 se kuchh interesting baate aai yagy ke aadi wale. Waha se 7-8 line padho. Yahan bataya gaya ki past me kaise bacche chhodke chale gaye, jo Mama-Baba ko Drill sikhlate the, direction dete the wgaira.
Audio me @17 mins se yah baat shuru hogi. Ism ek acchhi baat aai ki jo drill sikhlanewale the vah “Sandeshi” the. Yah nai baat hai ki vah log sandeshi the. Sandeshi to bahut hue hai. PBKs me bataya jata ki Sevakram/Radhe Bacchhi/Gita Mata yah sab the drill sikhlane wale.
Audio me @18.22 mins me bataya ki vah sandeshi the.
Fir jo kagaj me aaya thoda age “Mama-Baba drill sikhlate the….” wagaira.
Audio me @18.17 mins audio me keh rahe “yaani Maa-Baap, hum baithte the, vah upar baithte the…” . Matlab yahan bhi “hum” laga diya. Maa- Baap ya Mama-Baba kaafi tha jo Murli me aaya. Fir “hum” kyu bata rahe? Kaunsi baat siddh kar rahe hai?

2. Scan Murli dekh ke computer me jo Murli type kiya gaya, jo hum refer kar rahe abhi, usme jab “....” aata to uska matlab kabhi yah bhi hota ki scan me dikh nahi raha. Iska scan dekho, usme 2 jagah paper chhipkane se shabd dikh nahi rahe hai. Computer typed Murli me, page 2, line no. 21 and 22. Usiko scan me dekho.

Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/45.mp3
Paper Murli : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/677.pdf
Scan Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... 5-5-68.pdf

30.6.64.A.M
Is class me jo “Geet “ hai jo har Sakar Murli me upar likha rehta. Kagaj me “Aa Gaye Dil Me Tu” – yah wala gaana likha hai. Audio cassette chalao to “Bach ke nazaro se meri kahan jaoge”- yah geet baj raha hai. Alag alag kaise ho sakte hai. Har class shuru hone se pehle, Baba Geet lagwate the, kabhi kabhi Murli usi gaane par chalti thi. Agar yah Murli direct chali hai jiska cassette banaya gaya to us samay jo gaana baja tha, cassette banate waqt , matlab jab yah class chala, to vahi kagaj me aana chaie tha. Kagaj me koi kyon change karega.
Iska matlab, asali Murli jab chali thi, us samay gana bajaya tha “A Aa Gaye Dil Me Tu”. Fir jab inhone apna cassette banaya Murli ka, us samay vah “Geet” mila nahi hoga. To cassette ka “Geet” alag hogaya. Jyadatar cassette me vahi geet chalaya gaya jo kagaj me hai. kabhi yah bhi kiya hoga ki kagaj me bhi change kar diya ho, jab matching gana nahi mil raha ho to. Lekin is class me alag alag hogaye. Aise cases or bhi hai jahan geet match nahi karte

Audio: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1964/21.mp3
Paper Murli: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/136.pdf
Audio ka PDF : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1964/21.pdf

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 20 Sep 2019

Kuchh or proofs bhi pade hue hai. Lekin itna kafi hai abhi ke liye. Dusri baat, jitne audios nakli Brahma dwara chalai gai thi usme se thode hi available honge internet par. Usme bhi humne abhi thoda hi suna hai. Or jitna suna hai vah bhi pura audio nahi suna. Jaise kagaj me padhte waqt koi yagy ke aadi wali baat ya Dada Lekhraj ki jivan ki koi baat aagai, to usme gadbad jarur karenge audio me, to bas vah ek point audio me verify kar liya- pura audio nahi. Jyadatar murliyo ka audio available nahi hai waise, bahut hi kam hai.

Lekin socho, jitney hai, kam se kam vah bhi poora sun liya to kya kya nikal ke ayega. Yah isiliye batana jaruri hai, jinko bhi doubt ho to, sab sunna chaie.

Samajhne walo ke liye, koi bhi randoamly ek audio uthake sun liya uske kagaj ke sath check karte hue, to bas ek audio me hi sab samajh me ayega. Ekdum saaf dikhta hai ki padh rahe hai. Koi special points ki jarurat nahi hai.

Some more proofs:
1. Jabhi kagaj me, bracket me kuchh likha ho, jaise “history sunana”,’Dancing girl ka misaal”,”aravindo Ghosh..”- is tarah kafi kagaj ki murliyo me likha gaya hai. Jiska matlab hota ki vahan asali Brahma Baba ne kuchh sunaya tha lamba Silver Age jisko short me likha hai. Ya fir BKs ne kuchh gadbad kiya ho, poinst chhupane.
Lekin sawaal yah hai ki, Audio me humesha jab bracket me likha hua hota hai, uske bare jarur kuchh na kuchh batate hai. Humesha. Par yah khud audio me kitni sari extra baate sunaate hai, misaal dete hai, kahaniya sunaate hai, unme se ek bhi kagaj me bracket me kyon nahi likha.
2. Inhone pura type kyon nahi kiya? Agar ShivBaba ki Vani hai direct to koi Mazak nahi hai. Audio to inhone chhipaake rakha tha upar se (inka audio cassettes). Fir jab PBKs ne type kiya to ek-ek Murli (Morning class) 12 pages ke hote hai. Actual Murlis sirf 4 pages, mostly. Itna bada difference?
3. S.M.17.4.68.A.M, page 3 me, bataya ShivBaba ne ki Murli acche se padhkar samjhana chaie class me. Sirf seedhe seedhe padhoge to 10-15 mins hi lagenge. To jab asali Brahma dwara Murli chali hogi to itna hi time laga hoga, jyada se jyada 20 mins.
Inke audio me to 40 mins se jyada time lag raha hai.
4. ShivBaba ne murliyo me bataya 2-3 jagah, itni murliya chali hai ki pura room bhar jayega, Ghar bhar jayega. Yahan to 5 saal ka dikhate hai, vah bhi pura nahi hai. Baki murliya kahan gai? Gayab kyu hua? Kuchh murliya, audios bhi mile hai jo hum dekh rahe abhi, vah bhi kafi saal ke bad kisine mehnat karke nikaala. Chhipaya kyun?
5. Sevakram koun tha, vah Gita nahi sonata tha, na hi vah Om mandli me tha- yah to BKs se acchhe se jaante hai. Fir in logo ne sach kyon nahi saamne rakha. Tab to Shankar party 76 me hi khatm ho jati. Ulta dusre raste apnaye unke khilaaf, Yah jaante hue ki vah jhooth bol rahe hai. Shankar party se itna darr kyon gaye? Sach kya hai jante ho na. Matlab, inka koi or raaz hai. Uske bare me sochke, darr gaye. Kahi inka raaz tak na pahunch jaye koi. Dixit ji se bhi dare honge, kahi vo inki yah baat na jaan jaye ya unka jaisa koi.
6. Inka Baba saccha tha to, yah khud Shankar ji ke prabhav me kyon aagye akhir, 2018 me.( Yah baat thodi si suni sunai hai)
7. Inka Baba saccha tha to Shankar party ko Gyan ke adhar par khatm karna baye hath ka khel hai. Koi bhi Murli uthao, har Murli me 100 proofs milenge PBKs ke Gyan ke khilaf. PBKs ka Gyan pura khilaf hai Murliyo ke. Ram, Shankar, Prajapita, Jagadamba, Vyas, Shivling, yad ke bare me- har baat par Murli me ekdum PBKs ke khilaf hi bola hai. Inka Avyakt BapDada bhi kuchh na kar sake. Yah kaise Baba or Baba ke bacche hue? Ulta Murli me cutting karna shuru kar diya. Audio me, nakli Brahma ne bhi yah sab baat acche se samjhai hai. Fir bhi bhool gaye?
8. Jo scan Murlis hai- vah to pura re-type kiya gaya hai dubara typewriter dwara.Jo scanned versions hai..Vah sirf 1964 se hi milte hai abhi tak to.
Usme bhi kuchh Murli purane milenge, jinka date overwrite kiya gaya shayad, bahut kam cases hai waise.
Jaise yah 25.3.1958 and 25.3.1964(scan), ek hi hai.
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/2.pdf
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... 5-3-64.pdf
English me ‘4’ koi aise thodi likhenge.

Some more (Inme sirf date observe karo):
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... 7%20PM.pdf ---29.8.67
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... )-8-64.pdf –9.8.64—2nd page me
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... 7-4-64.pdf
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... 4%20PM.pdf

Kuchh or khud hi dekh lo, link neeche hai- 11.1.66, 15.7.66, 7-7-66, 25.6.66, 1.6.66, 5.8.67, 22.12.67, 23.12.67, 13.2.67.P.M, 28.12.67, 27.2.67 (27+29+30-2-67 PM), 1.1.67, 2.1.67, 13.1.67, 27.1.67, 5.3.67
http://www.adhyatmik-vidyalaya.com/ScanMurli.aspx

17.2.67, 18.2.67 ka connection dekho. 17 ko shayad 7.2.67 me upload kiya hai, jo 17.2.67 ka hai.
17.2.67 ka pehla line padho.

1964 or 1965 ke jo scan Murlis hai, vah nahi type kiya. Hand-written hai. Lekin kahi 61 ko 64 to nahi kar diya date ko.

Lekin audios 1963 se milte hai.

Scan Murli me upar kuchh likhat bhi hai, jo shayad Sindhi ya Urdu me hai.

9. Kuchh audio 2-2, 3-3 baar repeat hue hai alag alag date daal ke.

----TO BE CONTINUED…..

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

Some more observations:
10. Yah to ho hi nahi sakta ki, inke (nakli Brahma, audio wale) dwara hi Murli chali thi original, lekin Brahmakumaris ne short me chhapyao, acchhe se type kiya ho. Itna formatted, grammatical correct, ho hi nahi sakta. Itna dimag wale hai BKs? Matlab Brahma se bhi hoashiyar? Brahma ne galat bola, inhone thik kar diya? Jaise “Vishta se bacche paida hote hai”. Fir audio me, jab yah beech beech me “hum”, “mai” kehte rehte, usko fir ShivBaba ki awaz me kyo kiya 4 page ki Murli me? Itna to chhod do, impossible.
Jo hath se likhe gaye hai, vah bhi to 4 page ki hi hai. Ho sakta hai vah Murlis, typed wala dekh ke likha gaya ho, direct class me nahi? Aisa sochna hi bekar hai.
11. Koi kahe, Baba (Nakli) pehle likh lete the subah baithke, ShivBaba likhwate the pravesh karke, fir baad me class aake sunate the to? Ek to Murli me hi bata diya, pehle aisa hota- 2 baje uthke likht the wagaira, direct Murli nahi chalti thi. Jis waqt jis Murli me yah bola “pehle aise 2 baje likhte the”, us waqt vah direct bol rahe na. Dusri baat, murliyo me, baccho se baat hoti hai, discussion hota tha. Ruho se baat kab karte fir? Vah to Murli ya Vani bhi nahi hua Shiv ka. Fir audio me inko acting kyon karni padi? Galat kyon padhte the? Line skip kyo karte? Jisne likha hai, vah khud confuse ho rahe hai padhte waqt. Alag hi clarification de rahe hai? Aajtak aisa koi BK ne nahi bataya ki likhke laate the fir class me sunaate the.
12. Jab 1969 me sharir chhoda Baba (nakli) ne, turant Suxmvatan ko zinda kar diya wapas. Isse pehle khud audio me bhi batate rahe ki suxmvatan kuchh hota nahi, sirf sakshatkar ki baate hai, jaise kagaj ki murliyo me bataya hai.

CONCLUSION:
1. Yah audio direct Murli nahi hai.Yah to sirf padhkar sunaate the. Clarification samajh lo ek tarah se. Inhone shayad 1963 se ya usse thode pehle se yah sunana shuru kiya khud Brahma banke. Yah aaj ka Breaking News.
2. Asali Brahma, around usi samay ya usse thoda pehle, ya to sharir chhodke gaye ya fir sanshay buddhi hoke ya dusre wajah se yagy chhodke gaye ho. Vani sari unke much se hi chali hai. Fir bhi vahi no.1 hai abhi bhi. Yah bhi ho sakta ki unhone hi nakli Brahma ko nimitt banake gaya ho. All in all, vah gaye kisi tarah.
3. Aise time me, socho, jab sab nashe me hai Gyan ki, yagy chal raha hai fir achanak se mukhiya hi chale gaye to kya hoga? Koi to mukhiya banke baith gaya. Nasha to utarega thodi ek bar chadh gaya to, vah bhi Gyan ki.
4. Asali brahma yagy chhodke gaya hoga (shayad sharir chhodke nahi gaya hoga), yah isiliye lagta hai kyonki A.V me nakli Brahma ne koi Sakar tan ke taraf ishare diye hai 70s me. “ab bhi vyakt me sahara hai”. “jo shuru se Brahma ke rup me sahyogi the (kuchh is tarah).....(aage jake fir apne upar hi bata dete)”. Sabse main point “vahi dress adi, vahi sadharan rup..” yah bhi A.V me aaya.
Jab ki yah Sakar Murli ka point hai jo 2 bar mila hai kagaj ki Murli me ab tak, jo asali Brahma ke liye bataya ki isme Shiv pravesh kiya hua to bhi iska vahi rup aadi jo pehle ka tha, kuchh badla nahi. Baki sadhu-santo se bhi compare kiya ki vah kaise unka vesh-bhusa sab badal jata hai. Fir yah point, repeat kyon kiya A.V me. Dixit ji ki taraf bilkul nahi hai, na hi Murlis ke vah points (usme sadhu santo ke muqable bataya asali Brahma ke liye). 70s, 80s tak to bilkul Dixit ji ke liye koi ishara nahi diya hoga A.V me.
Dixit ji Baba hai nahi to ishara kaise denge. Na hi A.V me ishara dene wale khud koi Baba hai. Yeh ho sakta ki bad me (jab asali chala gaya sharir chhodke,) nakli Brahma bhi Dixit ke prabhav me aagaye dheere dheere or unki taraf ishare dene lage ho. Ho sakta hai. Kyonki vah khud bhi confuse hai. Na khud rahe, na hi original Brahma rahe. To asali Brahma ne tabhi sharir chhoda hoga jiske bad nakli Brahma ne unki jagah li ya 70s tak to zinda raha hoga at least, jiske liye yah ishare aate rahe A.V me. A.V me pehle..Baad me sharir chhodke janm liya. Janm to pakka hua hai.
kafi Murli points repeat hote the. Vah khud kafi Murli padhe hue the.
5. Ab Avyakt Vani ka kya? Sab jhooth or bekar hai. Avyakt BapDada ka drill suno, bahut hi bekar tarika hai. Vah pura Gyan bhool gaye dheere dheere. Pehle acchhe the. Sharir chhodne ke bad kuchh jyada hi dimaag chalta hai shayad suxm sharir me. Jaise Dixit ji ka gyaan kitna wonderful llagta hai, asaliat me pura ulta. Waise hi inke Avyakt sandesh. Vah behlata hai inko. Bhoot-preto me yah shakti hoti hogi. To unke sandesh bhi sab bekar, nakli Brahma ke sath hi sab chalta hai.
6. inka Brahma to nakli hai hi Sath me, inki Mama,Jagdish, Manmohini Didi, Kumarika, Shanta, sare anany bacche bhi sabke sab nakli hai. Inhone imitate kiya hai pura.
Jo jo acchhe acchhe bacche the pehle, jinka naam aaya Murli me, vah sab yah ban gaye.Asali Brahma ka naam Dada Lekhraj hi hai, asali Mama ka naam Om Radhe hi hai. Waise hi anancy baccho ka. Baad me inhone chura liya sab. Ab Brahma nahi raha to Mama kaise jhootho ka sath degi? Mama to Brahma se pehle hi gain a. na ki 1965 me. Jo vaniya Mama ke sharir chhodne ke bare me aati hai, vah asali Mama ke liye, inhone bas vah sab 1965 ke baad chalaya. In sab bato ke peechhe kuchh proofs hai fir kabhi dikhayenge. Yah sab 8 me aane wale the Kumarika, Jagdish, Delhi ki Mohini ko bhi ek bar bola 8 me aasakti hai. Jagdish to bahut khaas tha jisne sacchi Gita likhi, jo pehle sindhi me likhi gait hi. Jagdish right hand tha Baba ka or Baba usko apne se bhi upar, hoshiyar samajhte the. AIsa Jagdish, ek mamooli Shankar party ko Gyan se hara nahi saka? Jinko hum jiase chhote log hara denge, jinhone abhi abhi Murli padha kuchh time se. Kumarika bhi. Isi Forum me kafi research hua Jagdish par. Uska naam alag alag tarah se likha gaya wagaira. Nakli Jagdish ka sachhi Gita bhi shayad nakli ya fir apni baate daal di hogi. Ek jagah sacchi Gita me author ka naam “Sanjoy” likha tha. Sanjay ko “Sanjoy” Bengali log kehenge na. pata nahi clear kuchh. Lekin yah nakli pakka hai.

7. Usi tarah, Ramesh or Usha, Bombay me koi yugal the.Jinki Murli me mahima hoti thi. Vah actual yugal the. Inka Ramesh ne Gandharv-vivah kiya tha koi bacchi ko unke Maa-Baap se bachane ke liye- imitate to kiya lekin thik se nahi kar paye. Dusri baat, vah Usha Gyan me hoshiyar thi, Gita shlko me expert thi. Inki (Ramesh ki yugal) ki to koi mahima hi nahi rahi. Yah kaise ho sakta hai, jinhone 2012 me shayad sharir chhoda. In logo ne dusri koi Usha behan ko bitha rakha hai jo Gita me expert ban baithe hai. Aajkal Ramayan wagaira bhi aazma rahi hai shayad.
8. In sabka Bio-data padho, sabko plan karke yagy me ghusa diya. Matlab kitabo me. Jagsidh to 50s me aagye yagy me. Aaye bhi honge to bhi nakli hai.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

Waise, sari baate likhna mushkil hai. Isme kafi baate galat bhi honge, jo baad me clear ho jaye, exactly hua kyat tha. Lekin, yah to 100% sach hai ki asali Brahma, Mama, anany bacche koi or the. Abhi asali Brahma kaha hai yah kisiko abhi tak pata nahi chala. Baki jaise BKs dikhate hai vah sab sirf imitation hai. Isme koi doubt nahi hai. Ab thoda short me bata denge baki cheeje.

Kcuhh or baate:
1. Nakli Brahma ki audios me ek cheej or dekhne me aata hai. Shuru shuru me jab Murli padhte the to thoda darte the. Jab Dada (ya asali Brahma ki) baat aati thi Murli me, darr jaate, skip kar jaate. (1.3.68 me aisa hua, audio me). Lekin baad me thoda expert ban gaye the. Khaas karke 68s me to pura confident rahe hai.
2. Ek baat note karne ki hai, nakli Brahma me kafi knowledge tha Murlis ka. Matlab bahut suna hoga unhone, vah samay hi aisa tha pehle pehle. Audios me dekha hoga, dusre koi bhi murliyo ki baate beech beech me bolte hi rehte the. Jo padh rahe us taraf dhyan bhale nahi rehta. Kafi nashe me bhi rehte the. Kafi jagah acchha clarification bhi diya hai. Sunke nasha chadh jaye Iska matlab yah nahi ki vah asali the. Us samay mahol hi aisa tha. Dixit ji ko dekh lo, kitna nashe me rehte the ek samay me, jhoothe hi sabeet hue na akhir. BKs me bhi kafi acchha tha pehle. Unko Shakar, Vishnu, Radha-Krishn ka janm, in baton par acchhi pakad thi, fir bigad gaye.
Audos me kuchh history bhi mil jati hai kabhi kabhi. Jaise bataya, “Drill sikhlanewale Sandeshi the”. Yah baat koi nahi jaanta tha. na hi kagaj ki Murli me mila kabhi.
3. Asali Brahma ne jab Vani chalai thi, tabhi tape bhara jaata tha Ek Murli me aaya hai. In logo ne pata nahi kahan sab gayab kar diya.
4. Sabse main baat, asali jo Brahma tha. Uska charitr to samajhne layak hai. Kitna saccha tha, kitna caliber tha usme, strong tha, dil se utna hi accha or saaf tha. Yah sab murliyo me pata chalta hai, vah sab points fir kabhi share karenge. Jaise, usne Gita zaindagi bhar padhi, sikkho ke granth kanthasth the usko- isiliye shayad Murli me kafi baate vahan ki aate jaise ‘moot paliti kapad dhoti’, maanush tain devata kiya, karat na laagee baar’ (waise Guru nanak ne Kabir das ki kafi bate uthai thi), usko thodi angreji bhi aati thi, bachpan me seekha tha, Varanasi me shastron ka bhi shayad study kiya tha bachpan me, ekdum garib se kitna bada admi ban gaya, shadi karne ka man nahi tha uska fir ek bioscope (movie) dekh ke aaya to fas gaya, shadi kar li lauki me, usne apne bhaiyo ko lakhpati bana diya tha, jewelleray business me mahir tha, yagy ke aadi me bhi uska bahut hi veerata wali chaalaki wali chaal chali hai usne (is par kafi baate aati hai), usne court me bhi jake judge kaha- kya pavitr rehna galat hai (aisa kuchh) tab Judge bhi chhup,Cricket match dekhta tha, bade bade rajaye bhi use prabhavit the, dan-puny karta tha, 12 Guru kiye, Guruo se bhi sawaal karta tha, Jagannath puri me ek pande ko kaha- yah vaishyao ka dhandha band karo varna…, Narayan ka bada bhakt tha wagira wgaira.
Dusri baat, vah bahut nirahankari tha, khaas jab Gyan me tha. Humesha kehta tha tum bacche mere se aage jaa sakte ho, humesha baccho ke bare me sochta tha. Baccho ko aage rakha, Jagdish jaise baccho ko khaas. Khud ka purusharth par khul ke baat karta tha Murli me- jaise mai bhool jata hu baar baar yad karte karte wagaira. Saccha admi tha. Bahut anubhavi tha. Fir Baba ne yah bhi bataya ki Brahma ka yah rup dekhke ya jo kehte tum bacche (Jagdish wagaira) mere se upar ho, kisiko miya-mitthoo nahi banna hai. Yah to sikhaya jata ki aise nirahankari banna hai.
5. Sadharan ka arth bhi Baba ne murliyo me samjhaya acche se. Lakhpati sadharan hi hai. Sadharan ka matlab garib nahi.
6. Ek or bat Brahma ki, jab usme praveshata hui to usne koi ahankar nahi dikhaya. Bhagwaan ne banke nahi baitha seedha.ShivBaba ki praveshata ka waise bhi pata nahi chalta. To baccho ko teacher banake bithaya jinhone drill sikhlaya, direction diya- khud unse padha. Or Murli bhi nahi chalai ekdum se. Usko kafi time laga. Shuru shuru me isiliye likhte the subah uthke. Ho sakta ki pehle usne yah check kiya hoga- mere andar agar Bhagwaan hai to mere dwara kuchh acchhi baate nikalni chaie. Likh ke dekha, kafi samay baad, Murli chalana shuru kiya. Yah farak hai asali me or Nakli Brahma me, sath sath aaj jitney bhi parties ke mukhiya hai- kitna aasani se keh dete ki mere andar ShivBaba hai. Yah sab Murli me pehle bataya tha aise bhi kahenge. Aise log BKs ke purine jamane me bhi hue hai, nakli Bhagwan..
7. Baki PBKs ne pura satynash kar diya Brahma ko. Jaise kehte ‘Baby’ buddhi wagaira, vah sab nakli Brahma ho sakta hai. Fir BKs ne bhi asali baate chhipaa di or apna nakli ke bare me baate bana di bas, asali Brahma ki baato ko mix karke.
8. Bilkul waise hi Mama ki to Baba ne itni taarif ki hai, itna acchha acchha bataya unke bare me ki poochho mat. Usko Brahma se bhi aage bataya. Satyug me bhi Lakshmi right side me hoti hai. Bahut meethi awaz waali thi, bahut sewa karti thi, bahut kamai karke gayi. Inki jo nakli Mama hai, jo 1965 me sharir chhodke gai, unki Vani suno, usme aisi koi mithaas nahi hai, ulta ahankar dikhta hai. Waise hi inki Kumarika (nakli), Jagdish (nakli) wagaira.

To kagaj ki Murli padho to kafi baate samajh me ayengi.

Kuchh interesting baate (IMPORTANT):
Is raaz ko acchhe se samjho kaise duniya jhoothi bante jaati hai. Ek live example hai. Nakli brahma ne Brahma banne ka natak kiya. Jhootha Brahma bana, jhoothi bate sunai, jhoothi history bani BKs ke dwara. Fir is baat ko thik se verify kiye bigair, Dixit G ne us jhooth ko hi sach maankar, us jhooth ko adhar banakar, us jhooth ke upar apna ek alagi hi jhootha samrajy khada kiya. Hai na wonderful baat? Us nakli brahma ko khud ka baccha (krishn baccha kehte na) samajhte hai, uski glani ki, kuchh bhi sapne dekhe. Arey vah to Brahma hai hi nahi, na Krishn banne wala hai. Usme bhi had kar di, aajkal to kagaj ki Murli chhodke, jo nakli Brahma ki Vani thi jisko PBKs ne type kiya, us par clarification de rahe hai. Jaise usme aaya ‘Vishta se bacche paida hote hai’, jo ShivBaba ki kahi hui baat nahi hai vastav me. Lekin inke liye to nakli me Shiv aaya na, to uska bhi yah clarification denge. Behad me uska arth kar denge. Waise hi jinn ka arth audio me bataya, “upar Parandham me yad karo fir neeche bhi Yaad karo”. Jinn ka behad arth ka to Dixit G ne Sangamyugi purusharth par bataya waise. Fir jab yah baat aegi to usme sirf vah adhi baat lenge jo ‘upar bhi neeche bhi yad karo’, fir behad me batayenge ‘upar mana unchi stage wala Shiv, fir neeche mana Sakar, matlab Sakar me nirakar ko yad karo’. Aise to koi bhi pbk iska behad ka arth bata dega, sabko expert bana diya hai waise. Socho is par. Jhooth par jhooth, jhooth par jhooth.

Na na abhi khatm nahi hui baat. Nakli Brahma se Dixit G nikle. Ab Bhopal me ek Vishnu Party aai hai jo kehti ki Dixit G sahi hai, unka Shankar ka hi part hai, usme ShivBaba ne part bajaya jarur. Lekin unke dwara hi Vishnu par ishare diye gaye hai ‘Discussions- vartalap classes’ or ‘Vcds’ me. Had hogai Bhai. abhi wonder mat khaana. Bilkul isi tarah 2500 saal nikal gaye. Jo Hinduo ke scriptures bane hai, history bhi (sirf scriptures hi nahi) sab ke sab aise hi bante gaye, samay samay par apne fayde ke liye, kuchh bhi daalte gaye, banate gaye. Is par research karke dekh lena. Usi tarah na hi Dixit G ne ishara diya, na hi nakli Brahma ne Dixit G ke liye koi ishara diya tha. Vah to khud jhoothe hai, unhone apna sikka jamaya jhooth bolke. Yah Bhopal wale bhi vahi kar rahe hai, bas koi adhar chaie uske liye. Sacche hote to pehle puri baat ki jaanch karte. Inko jaldi hai Bhagwan banne ka. Yah koi shooting ki baat nahi hai. Shooting nahi hoti sangam yug me. Yah to sanskar hai puraane janm janmantar ke. Abhi isme wonder mat khaana. Wonder bhale khaao, par nafrat bilkul mat karna. ShivBaba Murli me kehte ‘tum baccho ko kitni khushi hoti, wonder lagta hoga baba ki baate sunke, Gyan sunke. Lekin mujhe na aschary lagta hai, na hi khushi hoti hai, yah to drama bana hua hai anadi. Fir bhi aise hi hoga har 5000 saal baad’.

Har party (sare Vishnu parties, Pankaj Bhai etc) wale kam se kam nakli Brahma ko, uski Avyakt ko to maante aaye ho na, jo har party me common hai. Agar vahi jhootha (nakli Brahma or uski AV), to fir sab party khatm hogaye.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

Short me kuchh or proofs:
1. Jab Sakar Murli padhoge kagaj wali to usme aise kafi incidents milenge jo usi samay hue, jo date in logo ne daala hai Murli ke, ya kaho jab nakli audio chali thi. Isse yah doubt paida hoga ki, kahi yah original to nahi hai? Jaise ki Murli me aata hai 'Nehru mara', 'Rajendra Prasad mara', 'Radhakrishn (jo vice president the India ke) ki baat', 'aaj dussehra hai', 'Indira Gandhi ki baat', 'koi US president (shayad Nixon) ki baat', 'Vishwa Kishore ko Bhog lagane ki baat (jab usne sharir chhoda tha)', 'Mama ke sharir chhodne or uske baad ki baate'- jo bilkul 65 ke bad ki Murli me hi aai hai, 'India cheen ki ladai', 'India Pakistan ki ladai', 'aaj holi hai', 'aaj 27vi shiv jayanti', '32vi SJ', '28vi', 'bhale 25 saal hogaye' wagaira wagaira. Ab in logone itna bada drama khela hai to yah sab baat me beech me daal diye honge, original baate kuchh or hi rahe honge. Koi ek baat ko dekh fasna nahi hai hume, sabhi baate samne rakh ke dekho. Usi tarah kahi jagah aata hai.

2. Waise hi vah jo vinash ki bate aai ‘baki 8 varsh rahe ya 7 varsh rahe’ wagaira. Vah sab Murli date ke hisab se adjust kiya jahan se 76 ko ishare kare. Yah to in logo ne bad me bhi kiya hai na revised Murlis me, 72 ki revised agar yah point aaya to usko 4 varsh karo, fir 73 me 3 varsh karo. Vah to galat nahi tha, lekin yah sab pehle bhi kiya ho to? Waise vinash ki ghoshnaye koi 1966 se shuru nahi hue, 64-65 se milte hai. Ek to bahut purana hai , shayad 60 ya 62 ki Murli, jisme shayad 10-12 saal bataya or vah 76 ko ishara nahi karta. Shayad 72-73 tak jata calculation.

3. Fir Sakar kagaj wali Murli me kuchh aisi baate bhi milengi jisse sabit hota ki yah original dates nahi hai jo Murli me diye gaye hai. Jaise ki 2-3 incidents pehle dekh chuke hai audio proofs me- 1967 me Deepavali 2 Nov ko thi or Vani July ki, Morarji desai ka naam audio me skip kiya- jo Morarji Desai 1952 me 'Chief minister of Bombay ‘ the, uske baad bhi vah zinda rahe hai fir prime minister bhi bane vah alag baat hai, fir audio me farrukhabad ka nam skip kiya jinhone parche bheje the baba ko. Isi tarah '18.1.63.pg1 ki Murli me aaya kal Vivekananda ki jayanti thi, matlab 17 Jan. Lekin vah to 12 Jan ko hoti hai'.

4. 29.12.1963 or 29.12.64 dono din ek hi audio chali hai, vah bhi Delhi se, dono me Shukravaar ka din bataya gaya hai. Basically, ek hi audio hai. 2 baar upload hua ya dono din ek chalaya, pata nahi. Note karo, lekin vah dono din vastav me ‘Friday’ nahi tha. 29.12.63 ‘Ravivar’ tha or 29.12.64 ‘Mangalwar’ tha.is audio ka jo pdf PBKs ne type kiya hai, usme un logo ne bhi yah likha hua hai. Agar isme sirf date me sirf ‘saal’ hi change kiya ho is Murli me or din or mahina nahi, matlab original Brahma ki Murli se, to 29th December, Friday ko 1961, 1950, 1944 me hi girta hai.

5. 10.1.67 me bataya aaj ‘Budhvar’ hai, jab ki vah ‘Tuesday’ tha. Waise jyadatar, jo din bataya jata vahi din asal me bhi hota hai. Kabhi kabhi mismatch mil jaata hai.

6. 11.7.64.AM- isme 2 Murli chali.

7. Sacchi Gita pehle Sindhi me likhi gai thi. (6.3.67.A.M,pg1)

8. Ek piyu ki bhi baat karte hai BK. Shayad Karachi me Shiv ki atma kisi or me aake bat karti tab sabko pata chala ki yah koi or Shakti hai. Usko “Piyu” bulate the, khilate the.

9. Asali Brahma ka Surgery bhi hua tha jo 2-3 Murli me aaya. Delhi, Bombay jate the (daant) dikhane wagaira. BKs batate ki unka (nakli) Baba ne bina anesthesia liye surgery karaya tha. Kuchh bhi.

10. Ek or audio proof : 14.12.67.AM, page 4 aadi me “yah sabse bada trustee…” audio me @37.20 mins, “mai trustee hu..”

11. 9.66.PM--page 1 ke adi me, ab dekho itna bada parivar ab jake 2 bachhi ishu aur lachhu bachi hai.

12. 2-3 original Murli me Baba ki “Nalini” bacchi ki baat aai hai. Pata nahi laukik thi ya aise hi kehte the.

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