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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 21.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
एक होती है अव्यभिचारी याद, दूसरी होती है व्यभिचारी याद। अव्यभिचारी याद अथवा अव्यभिचारी भक्ति जब पहले शुरू होती है तो सब शिव की पूजा करते हैं। ऊंच ते ऊंच भगवान् वही है, वह बाप भी है फिर शिक्षक भी है। पढ़ाते हैं। क्या पढ़ाते हैं? मनुष्य से देवता बनाते हैं। देवता से मनुष्य बनने में तुम बच्चों को 84 जन्म लगे हैं। और मनुष्य से देवता बनने में एक सेकण्ड लगता है। यह तो बच्चे जानते हैं - हम बाप की याद में बैठे हैं। वह हमारा टीचर भी है, सतगुरू भी है। योग सिखाते हैं कि एक की याद में रहो।
One is UNADULTERATED Remembrance, and the other is ADULTERATED remembrance. When UNADULTERATED remembrance, or UNADULTERATED devotion first begins, then everyone worships Shiva. He alone is God (‘Bhagwan’), the Highest-on-High. He is also the Father, and also the Teacher. He TEACHES You. What does He TEACH You? He changes You from human beings into Deities. It takes You Children 84 births to change from Deities into human beings; and it takes ONE second to change from human beings into Deities. You Children know that You are sitting in Remembrance of the Father. He is also our Teacher, and also our Satguru. The Yoga He TEACHES us is to stay in the Remembrance of One.”

Just as Devotion is, at FIRST, UNADULTERATED, and later becomes ADULTERATED, during Ravan Rajya; in the SAME way, Remembrance is ALSO, at FIRST, UNADULTERATED (ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba), and later becomes ADULTERATED (through other instrumental bodily beings), during Confluence Age!


पुरूषोत्तम हैं यह देवतायें। सबसे ऊंच ते ऊंच है निराकार बाप। फिर मनुष्य सृष्टि में आओ, तो इसमें हैं ऊंच देवता। वह भी मनुष्य हैं, परन्तु दैवीगुणों वाले। फिर वही आसुरी गुणों वाले बनते हैं। अब फिर आसुरी गुणों से दैवीगुणों में जाना पड़े। सतयुग में जाना पड़े। किसको? तुम बच्चों को। तुम बच्चे पढ़ रहे हो, औरों को भी पढ़ाते हो। सिर्फ बाप का ही मैसेज देना है - बेहद का बाप बेहद का वर्सा देने आये हैं।
“Deities are the most elevated human beings. The Highest-on-High is the Incorporeal Father (Shiva). Then, in this human World, the Deities are the highest. They too are human beings, but they have Divine virtues. Then they, themselves, become those with devilish traits. You now have to change from having devilish traits, to having Divine virtues. You have to go to the Golden Age. Who has to go there? You Children have to go there. You Children are Studying, and also Teaching others. You have to just give the Father's message - the Unlimited Father has come to give the Unlimited inheritance.”

The Righteous Children, receive the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, from the Highest-on-High, Unlimited, Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba, during Confluence Age!

Whereas, the BLIND Unrighteous children, receive the ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya, from the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, during Confluence Age!


तुम यहाँ बैठे हो, मुनष्य से देवता बनने के लिए। अभी है कलियुग। बहुत धर्म हो गये हैं। तुम बच्चों को रचता और रचना का परिचय खुद बाप बैठ देते हैं। तुम सिर्फ ‘ईश्वर’, ‘परमात्मा’ कहते थे। तुमको यह पता नहीं था कि वह बाप भी है, टीचर भी है, गुरू भी है। उनको कहा जाता है सतगुरु। अकालमूर्त भी कहा जाता है। तुमको आत्मा और जीव कहा जाता है। वह अकालमूर्त इस शरीर रूपी तख्त पर बैठे हैं। वह जन्म नहीं लेते हैं। तो वह अकालमूर्त बाप बच्चों को समझाते हैं - मेरा अपना रथ नहीं है, मैं तुम बच्चों को पावन कैसे बनाऊं! मुझे तो रथ चाहिए ना। अकालमूर्त को भी तख्त तो चाहिए।
“You are sitting here to change from human beings into Deities. It is now the Iron Age, and there are many religions. The Father, Himself, sits here and gives You Children the introduction of the Creator (‘Alif’) and creation (‘Bey’). You just used to say: ‘God’ and ‘Supreme Soul’. You did not know that He is also your Father, also your Teacher, and also your Guru. He is called the Satguru. He (Shiva) is also called the ‘Immortal Image’ (‘Akal Murth’). You are called souls and human beings. That ‘Immortal Image’ (Shiva) is now sitting on the Throne, in the form of this body (of Brahma Baba). He does not take birth. So, the ‘Immortal Image’, the Father, explains to You Children: I do not have a Chariot of My own; so, how can I purify You Children? I do need a Chariot. Even the ‘Immortal Image’ needs a Throne (of a body).”

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God is the ‘Parlokik’ Creator (‘Alif’), who is also called the ‘Immortal Image’ (‘Akal Murth’) - whose REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL, APPOINTED Chariot is REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev!


भक्ति को रात, ज्ञान को दिन कहा जाता है। यह पक्का याद करो। मुख्य हैं ही दो बातें - अल्फ और बे, बाप और बादशाही। बाप आकर बादशाही देते हैं और बादशाही के लिए पढ़ाते हैं, इसलिए इसको पाठशाला भी कहा जाता है। भगवानुवाच, भगवान् तो है निराकार। उनका भी पार्ट होना चाहिए। वह है ऊंच ते ऊंच भगवान्, उनको सभी याद करते हैं।
“Devotion is called the Night; and Knowledge is called the Day. Remember this very firmly. There are just TWO MAIN aspects: Alpha (‘Alif’ - Creator), and Beta (‘Bey’ - inheritance) - the Father and the Sovereignty. The Father comes and gives You Sovereignty, and He TEACHES You how to attain Sovereignty. This is why this is also called a School (Seminary). God speaks: God is Incorporeal. There also has to be His part. He is God, the Highest-on-High, and everyone remembers Him.”

The ‘Day of Brahma’, or the ‘Day of the Cycle’, is established, in Confluence Age, by the Highest-on-High, Incorporeal God Father Shiva, or REAL ShivBaba, by TEACHING the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), to the Righteous Children – ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba!

Whereas, the ‘Night of Brahma’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’, is established, in Confluence Age, by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, by CHEATING the BLIND Unrighteous children, with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita) – through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!


बाप तुम्हें राजयोग सिखलाकर राजाई का वर्सा देते हैं। बाकी रचना से वर्सा मिल न सके। वर्सा मिलता ही है रचता बाप से। हर एक मनुष्य क्रियेटर है, बच्चों को रचते हैं। वह हैं हद के ब्रह्मा, यह है बेहद के ब्रह्मा। वह है निराकार आत्माओं के पिता, वह लौकिक पिता, यह फिर है प्रजापिता। प्रजापिता कब होना चाहिए? क्या सतयुग में? नहीं! पुरूषोत्तम संगमयुग पर होना चाहिए।
“The Father TEACHES You RajYog, and gives You the inheritance of Sovereignty. You cannot receive the inheritance from the ‘creation’. You receive the inheritance ONLY from the Father, the Creator. Each human being is a ‘creator’ because each one creates children. They are limited ‘brahmas’ (‘creators’), and THIS one (soul of DLR) is the Unlimited Brahma. That One (Shiva) is the Father of incorporeal souls, the other is the worldly father (of the corporeal body); whereas, THIS one (soul of DLR) is PrajaPita (‘Alokik’ Father of Humanity). When should PrajaPita exist? In the Golden Age? No! He has to exist at the most auspicious Confluence Age.”

ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev is the Unlimited Brahma, on this corporeal sphere, within this EWD Play!


बाप ने झाड़ का राज़ भी बताया है। बाप के सिवाए तो कोई सिखला न सके। तुमको कहेंगे, यह चित्र आदि कैसे बनायें? किसने सिखाया? बोलो, बाबा ने हमें ध्यान में दिखाया, फिर हम यहाँ बनाते हैं। फिर उनको बाप ही, इस रथ में आकर करेक्ट करते हैं कि ऐसे-ऐसे बनाओ। खुद ही करेक्ट करते हैं। कृष्ण को ‘श्याम-सुन्दर’ कहते हैं, परन्तु मनुष्य तो समझ नहीं सकते कि क्यों कहा जाता है? यह वैकुण्ठ का मालिक था तो गोरा था, फिर गांवड़े का छोरा सांवरा बना, इसलिए उनको ही ‘श्याम-सुन्दर’ कहते हैं। यही पहले आते हैं। ततत्वम्।
“The Father has also explained the secrets of the Tree to You. No one, except the Father, can TEACH You this. People ask You: How were these pictures, etc., made? Who taught that to You? Tell them: Baba showed them to us in trance, and we then made them here. Then the Father, Himself, enters THIS Chariot (of Brahma Baba), and corrects them by saying - do it like this, and like this. He corrects them, Himself. Krishna is called ‘Shyam-Sundar’, but people cannot understand why he is called that. When he was the Master of Paradise (in his FIRST Pure birth), he was beautiful; and then he became an ugly village urchin (in his LAST, 84th impure birth) - this is why he, himself, is called ‘Shyam-Sundar’ (‘the ugly & the beautiful one’). He is the one who comes FIRST. The same applies to You.”

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God shows the trance messengers how to guide the artists to make the pictures of Knowledge, on this corporeal sphere – and THEN, He, Himself, corrects them by entering His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, by indicating various changes which are to be made to the pictures, which have been prepared by the artists - from time to time!

The term, ‘Shyam-Sundar’, pertains to ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev - in PARTICULAR; and also pertains to ALL the OTHER MOST ELEVATED Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, of Confluence Age, who become the MOST ELEVATED Deities in RamRajya - in GENERAL!

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Post by Golden Heart » 22 Jun 2019

"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 22.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाप की श्रीमत है - बच्चे, कहाँ भी रहते, तुम मुझे याद करो। जैसे कन्या होती है, तो वह जानती नहीं कि हमको कौन पति मिलेगा, चित्र देखती है तो उनकी याद ठहर जाती है। कहाँ भी रहते एक-दो को, दोनों याद करते हैं, इसको कहा जाता है, जिस्मानी प्यार। यह है रूहानी प्यार। रूहानी प्यार किसके साथ? बच्चों का रूहानी बाप के साथ, और बच्चों का बच्चों के साथ। तुम बच्चों का आपस में भी बहुत प्यार होना चाहिए, यानी आत्माओं का आत्माओं के साथ भी प्यार चाहिए। यह शिक्षा भी अभी तुम बच्चों को मिलती है। दुनिया के मनुष्यों को कुछ भी पता नहीं। तुम सब भाई-भाई हो, तो आपस में जरूर प्यार होना चाहिए क्योंकि एक बाप के बच्चे हो ना। इसको कहा जाता है, रूहानी प्यार।
The Father’s Shrimat is: Children, WHEREVER You live, Remember Me! A kumari does not know who her husband is going to be, but when she sees his photograph, then that remembrance persists. Both of them remember each other, WHEREVER they may be. That is called corporeal love; whereas, this is Spiritual Love. For whom do You have Spiritual Love? Children have Love for the Spiritual Father, and the Children also have Love for one another. You Children should have a great deal of Love for one another; that is, souls should also have Love for souls. It is only now that You Children receive this education. People of the World do not know anything. All of You are Brothers (as souls), and so You should definitely have Love for one another, since You are the Children of ONE Father. This is known as Spiritual Love.”

The Righteous Children should DEFINITELY have Spiritual Love for one another, as souls; and they should Remember Incorporeal God Father Shiva, by being AWARE of themselves as souls, WHEREVER they may be, on this corporeal sphere, within their corporeal bodies!


बहुत बच्चे इस बात में भी मूंझते हैं कि हम अपने को आत्मा निश्चय तो करें, लेकिन बाप को कहाँ याद करें? यह तो जानते हो बाप परमधाम निवासी है। बाप ने अपना परिचय दिया हुआ है। कहाँ भी चलते-फिरते बाप को याद करो। बाप रहते हैं परमधाम में। तुम्हारी आत्मा भी वहाँ रहने वाली है, फिर यहाँ पार्ट बजाने आती है। यह भी ज्ञान अभी मिला है।
“Many Children become confused about this aspect also, and wonder: We can consider ourselves to be souls, but where should we Remember the Father? You know that the Father is the Resident of the Supreme Abode. The Father has given You His introduction. Remember the Father from WHEREVER You walk or move around. The Father resides in the Supreme Abode. You souls also reside there, and You later come down to play your parts here. It is now that You have received this Knowledge.”

The Righteous Children should Remember Incorporeal God Father Shiva in the Supreme Abode, or the Soul World, with GREAT Spiritual Love, by being AWARE of themselves as souls, WHEREVER they may be, on this corporeal sphere, within their corporeal bodies!


इस समय बाप समझाते हैं, जब मैं यहाँ आया हूँ, आकर बच्चों को ज्ञान भी देता हूँ। पुराने आरगन्स लिए हैं, जिसमें मुख्य यह मुख है, आंखें भी हैं। ज्ञान अमृत मुख से मिलता है। गऊमुख कहते हैं ना, अर्थात् माता का यह मुख है। बड़ी माता द्वारा तुमको एडाप्ट करते हैं। कौन? शिवबाबा। वह यहाँ है ना। यह ज्ञान सारा बुद्धि में रहना चाहिए। मैं तुमको प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा द्वारा एडाप्ट करता हूँ। तो यह माता भी हो गई। गाया भी जाता है, ‘तुम मात-पिता हम बालक तेरे ..’, तो वह सब आत्माओं का बाप है। उनको माता नहीं कहेंगे। वह तो बाप ही है।
“Now, the Father explains: I have come here, and I also give You Children Knowledge. I adopt these old organs (of Brahma Baba), among which, the main one is this Mouth, and there are also his eyes. The Nectar of Knowledge is received through the Mouth. They speak of the ‘Mouth of the Cow’ (‘Gaumukh’), which means THIS is the ‘Mouth of the Mother’. I adopt You through this Senior Mother. Who adopts You? ShivBaba. He is here. All of this Knowledge should remain in your intellects. I adopt You through PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR). Therefore, THIS one is ALSO your (‘Alokik’) Mother. It is also remembered: ‘You are the Mother & Father; and we are Your children ..’, so He is the Father of ALL souls. He (Shiva) cannot be (STRICTLY) called the Mother; He is (STRICTLY) only the Father.”

Incorporeal God Father Shiva is the INCOGNITO Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Father of ALL souls – who receive their inheritance of Liberation & Liberation-in-Life from Him, number-wise – and He becomes the ‘Parlokik’ Mother of the Righteous Children, in the SPECIFIC SENSE of giving them Spiritual Re-Birth, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba - who becomes the INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, or INCOGNITO JagadAmba, besides ALSO being the EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Father, or EVIDENT JagatPita or PrajaPita, of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins!


वहाँ आत्म-अभिमानी रहते हैं। आत्मा को ज्ञान है - अब छोटा बच्चा है, अब हम जवान बने हैं - अब वृद्ध शरीर हुआ है, इसलिए अब यह शरीर छोड़ दूसरा लेना है। वहाँ ऐसे नहीं कहते, फलाना मर गया। वह तो है ही अमरलोक। खुशी से एक शरीर छोड़ दूसरा लेते हैं - अभी आयु पूरी हुई है, यह छोड़ नया लेना है; इसलिए सन्यासी लोग सर्प का मिसाल देते हैं। मिसाल वास्तव में बाप का दिया हुआ है। वह फिर सन्यासी लोग उठाते हैं। तब बाप कहते हैं, यह जो ज्ञान मैं तुमको देता हूँ, यह प्राय:लोप हो जाता है। बाप के अक्षर भी हैं, तो चित्र भी हैं, परन्तु जैसे आटे में नमक।
“ There (in Golden Age), You remain soul-conscious. There, You souls have knowledge – now we are infants, now we are adolescents - now our bodies have become old, which is why we have to leave this body and take another. There, You will not say: so-and-so has died. That is the ‘Land of Immortality’. Souls happily shed one body and take another – now our lifespan is over, we have to leave this body and take a new one. This is why sannyasis give the example of a snake. In fact, this example was given by the Father (in Confluence Age); it was taken up by the sannyasis later (in Ravan Rajya). Therefore, the Father says: The Knowledge which I give You disappears. Some words and pictures which the Father uses (during Confluence Age) also exist later (in Ravan Rajya), but they are just like a ‘pinch of salt in a handful of flour’. ”

The example of the snake pertains to RamRajya – and NOT to the Confluence Age!

View point 2 of Revised SM dated 08 Mar 19, in post in link viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&p=53964&hilit=snake#p53964
सर्प का मिसाल भी सतयुग के लिए है।
“The example of the snake also applies to the Golden Age.”

View point 5 of Revised SM dated 20 Oct 17, in post in link viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&p=53358&hilit=snake#p53358
सर्प का मिसाल है कि पुरानी खाल छोड़ नई लेते हैं, तो सर्प का मिसाल सतयुग से लगता है, यहाँ से नहीं।
“There is the example of the snake, how it sheds its old skin and takes a new one. Therefore, that example of the snake applies to the Golden Age, and NOT HERE.”


तो बाप बैठ अर्थ समझाते हैं - जैसे सर्प पुरानी खाल छोड़ देता है, और नई खाल आ जाती है। उनके लिए ऐसे नहीं कहेंगे एक शरीर छोड़ दूसरे में प्रवेश करते हैं। नहीं! खाल बदलने का, एक सर्प का ही मिसाल है। वह खाल उनकी देखने में भी आती है। जैसे कपड़ा उतारा जाता है, वैसे सर्प भी खाल छोड़ देता है, दूसरी मिल जाती है। सर्प तो जिन्दा ही रहता है, ऐसे भी नहीं सदैव अमर रहता है। 2-3 खाल बदली कर फिर मर जायेंगे। वहाँ भी तुम समय पर एक खाल छोड़ दूसरी ले लेते हो। जानते हो अभी हमको गर्भ में जाना है। वहाँ तो है ही योगबल की बात। योगबल से तुम जन्मते हो, इसलिए अमर कहा जाता है।
“Therefore, the Father sits here and explains the example of a snake getting a new skin, and shedding its old skin. You would not say that a snake leaves one body and enters another. No! The example of ‘changing the skin’ only applies to a snake. That skin (of the snake) is also visible. Just as the clothes are removed, in the same way, a snake gets a new skin and sheds its old one. The snake remains alive; it is not that it is immortal. After shedding 2 to 3 skins it will die. There too (in Golden Age), You will shed one body at the right time, and take another. You will know that You then have to enter a womb. There, it is a question of the ‘Power of Yoga’. You take birth through the ‘Power of Yoga’, which is why You are called IMMORTAL.

The example of the snake has THREE distinct elements –
1. the soul of the snake - represents the soul of an individual, in RamRajya
2. the body of the snake - represents the consciousness, or AWARENESS, of an individual, in RamRajya
3. the skin of the snake - represents the body of an individual, in RamRajya

JUST AS the soul and the body of the snake are the SAME, but the snake ONLY CHANGES its skin from old to new, in Ravan Rajya – SIMILARLY, the soul and the AWARENESS of an individual is the SAME, but an individual ONLY CHANGES the body from old to new, in RamRajya!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A AV 17.12.1984, Revised 23.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children - 1) who were PHYSICALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar; and 2) who were SPIRITUALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through their own Divine Intellects, in their own 'Akari' stage.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
आज बापदादा संगमयुगी अलौकिक रूहानी महफिल में मिलन मनाने आये हैं। यह रूहानी महफिल, रूहानी मिलन सारे कल्प में अभी ही कर सकते हो। आत्माओं से परम आत्मा का मिलन, यह श्रेष्ठ मिलन सतयुगी सृष्टि में भी नहीं होगा इसलिए इस युग को महान युग, महा मिलन का युग, सर्व प्राप्तियों का युग, असम्भव से सम्भव होने का युग, सहज और श्रेष्ठ अनुभूतियों का युग, विशेष परिवर्तन का युग, विश्व कल्याण का युग, सहज वरदानों का युग कहा जाता है। ऐसे युग में महान पार्टधारी तुम आत्मायें हो। ऐसा महान नशा सदा रहता है? सारी विश्व जिस बाप को एक सेकण्ड की झलक देखने की चात्रक है, उस बाप के सेकण्ड में अधिकारी बनने वाले हम श्रेष्ठ आत्मायें हैं, यह स्मृति में रहता है? यह स्मृति स्वत: ही समर्थ बनाती है। ...
महान नदियों का महासागर से मिलन है, इसलिए मिलन महफिल में आये हैं।
“Today, BapDada has come into this unique, Spiritual gathering of Confluence Age, to celebrate a Meeting. It is only at this time, in the whole Cycle, that You can have this Spiritual gathering, this Spiritual Meeting. This elevated Meeting of the Supreme Soul (Shiva) with souls, will not take place even in the World of Golden Age. That is why this age is called the great Age, the Age of the great Meeting, the Age of ALL attainments, the Age of the impossible becoming possible, the Age of easily having elevated experiences, the Age of special transformation, the Age of world benefit, and the Age of easily receiving Blessings. In such an Age, You souls are the players with great roles. Do You always have such great intoxication? The whole World is thirsty to have a glimpse of the Father for even one second, and You are the elevated souls who have a right (to belong) to that Father in one second. Do You have this awareness? This AWARENESS automatically makes You Powerful. ...
It is a Meeting of the great Rivers with the Great Ocean (Shiva), which is why You have come to the gathering of the Meeting.”

Supreme Soul Shiva (‘Bap’) CONTINUES to have Spiritual Meetings with elevated souls, during this Confluence Age, ALONG WITH ‘Avyakt’ Brahma Baba (‘Dada’) – EVEN AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body in 1969 – using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar – WHENEVER SO REQUIRED!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 25.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
तुमको तो बाप की याद रहनी चाहिए। सर्विस में हडिड्याँ देनी है, किसी को नाराज़ नहीं करना है, न होना है। अहंकार भी नहीं आना चाहिए। हम यह करते, हम इतने होशियार हैं, यह ख्याल आना भी देह-अभिमान है। उसकी चलन ही ऐसी हो जाती, जो शर्म आ जायेगी। नहीं तो तुम्हारे जैसा सुख और कोई को हो न सके। यह बुद्धि में याद रहे तो तुम चमकते रहो।
“You should have Remembrance of the Father. You have to give your bones in Service. You must neither upset anyone, nor become upset (allow yourself to be upset by anyone). You should not even have any arrogance: ‘I do this’; or, ‘I am very clever’. To have such thoughts is also body-consciousness. Their conduct becomes such that they would be ashamed (when they REALIZE same). Otherwise, no one can have as much Happiness as You. If You kept this in your intellects, You would continue to sparkle.”

Self-explanatory.


बेहद का बाप हमको डायरेक्शन देते हैं, तुम धारण कर औरों को भी बाप का परिचय देते हो। सिवाए तुम्हारे बाकी सारी दुनिया नास्तिक है। तुम्हारे में भी नम्बरवार हैं। कोई तो नास्तिक भी हैं ना। बाप को याद ही नहीं करते। खुद कहते हैं, बाबा हमको याद भूल जाती है, तो नास्तिक ठहरे ना। ऐसा बाप जो साहेबज़ादा बनाते, वह याद नहीं आता है! यह समझने में भी बड़ी विशालबुद्धि चाहिए।
“The Unlimited Father is giving us directions. Imbibe this and then give the Father’s introduction to others. Apart from You, everyone in the World is an atheist. Among You too, You are number-wise. Some of you are still atheists; you do not Remember the Father. Some of you say: Baba, I forget to Remember You. This means that you are atheists. Are You not able to remember such a Father who makes You into Princes? You need a very broad intellect to understand this.”

Among the Righteous Children also, those who DO NOT have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONEas a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering the Self ALSO as a soul – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy – would STILL be considered to be ATHEISTS (those who DO NOT have the EXPERIENCE of God)!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 26.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
तुम भी जानते हो, बाप भी जानते हैं - कांटों के जंगल का बीजरूप है रावण। यूं तो सारे झाड़ का बीज एक ही है, परन्तु फूलों के बगीचे से फिर कांटों का जंगल बनाने वाला भी जरूर होगा। वह है रावण। तो जज करो बाप ठीक समझाते हैं ना। देवताओं रूपी फूलों के बगीचे का बीजरूप है बाप। तुम अभी देवी-देवता बन रहे हो ना।
“You also know, and the Father also knows, that the ‘seed form’ of the ‘Jungle of Thorns’ (‘Ravan Rajya’) is Ravan. In fact, the Seed of the WHOLE Tree is ONLY One (Shiva), but there must definitely be someone who changes the ‘Garden of Flowers’ into the ‘Jungle of Thorns’. That one is Ravan. So, now judge whether what the Father explains is correct. The Father is the ‘Seed Form’ of the Deities in the form of the ‘Garden of Flowers’ (‘RamRajya’). You are now becoming Deities.”

Although the Living Seed of the WHOLE human World Tree is ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva – in GENERALYET, the ‘Parlokik’ Father is the ‘Seed Form’ of the Deities, in the form of the ‘Garden of Flowers’ of RamRajya; while, the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, is the ‘seed form’ of the Demons, in the form of the ‘Jungle of Thorns’ of Ravan Rajya – in PARTICULAR!


यह है बेहद का बगीचा। एक है बागवान। अब कांटों के जंगल का बीज है रावण, और फूलों के बगीचे का बीज है शिवबाबा। वर्सा मिलता है बाप से। रावण से वर्सा नहीं मिलता। वह जैसे श्राप देता है। जब श्रापित होते हैं, तो जो सुख देने वाला है, उनको सब याद करते हैं क्योंकि वह है सुख दाता, सदा सुख देने वाला।
“This is an Unlimited Garden, and there is ONE ‘Master of the Garden’ (Shiva). The ‘seed’ of the ‘Jungle of Thorns’ is Ravan (or Maya); and the ‘Seed’ of the ‘Garden of Flowers’ is ShivBaba (Supreme Soul Shiva). You receive your inheritance (of RamRajya, or ‘Garden of Flowers’) from the Father. You DO NOT receive an inheritance (of RamRajya, or ‘Garden of Flowers’) from Ravan; it is as though he curses you. When you are cursed, all of you remember the One who bestows Happiness on you, because He is the ‘Bestower of Happiness’, the One who gives constant Happiness.”

The Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, or the ‘Garden of Flowers’, is received from Incorporeal God Father Shiva, or REAL ShivBaba, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba - who is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, or Shiva.

Whereas, the ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya, or the ‘Jungle of Thorns’, is received from the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, or APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!


फूलों के बगीचे को कांटों का जंगल रावण बना देता है। ... बच्चे जानते हैं, रावण देह-अभिमान में ले आता है। ... यह तो जानते हो कांटों के जंगल का बीज रावण है, फूलों के बगीचे का बीज है राम। ... मीठे-मीठे बच्चे जानते हैं - हमारा बीज है वृक्षपति, जिसके आने से हम पर ‘बृहस्पति की दशा’ बैठती है। फिर रावण राज्य आता है, तो ‘राहू की दशा’ बैठती है। वह एकदम हाइएस्ट, वह एकदम लोएस्ट। एकदम शिवालय से वेश्यालय बना देते हैं। अभी तुम बच्चों पर है ‘बृहस्पति की दशा’।
“It is Ravan who makes the ‘Garden of Flowers’ into the ‘Jungle of Thorns’. ... You Children know that Ravan brings you into body-consciousness. ... You know that Ravan is the ‘seed’ of the ‘Jungle of Thorns’, and that RAMA (Shiva) is the ‘Seed’ of the ‘Garden of Flowers’. ... You Sweetest Children know that your ‘Seed’ is the ‘Lord of the Tree’, and that when He comes You have the ‘omens of Jupiter’ over You. Then, when the ‘kingdom of Ravan’ comes, you have the ‘omens of Rahu’ over you. That One (RAMA, or Shiva) is the HIGHEST, and the other (Ravan) is the lowest. He (Ravan) changes ‘Temple of Shiva’ (‘Shivalaya’) completely into a ‘House of Prostitution’ (Brothel – ‘Vaishalaya’). There are now the ‘omens of Jupiter’ over You Children.”

Incorporeal God Father Shiva, brings the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, into soul-consciousness, by TEACHING them the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba, in Confluence Age – to enable them to become worthy to claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya - during Golden & Silver Ages!

Whereas, the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, traps the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, into body-consciousness, by CHEATING them with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita), through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, in Confluence Age - to enable them to become worthy to claim their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya - during Copper & Iron Ages!

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Post by Golden Heart » 27 Jun 2019

"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 27.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
जहाँ तक बाप है, पढ़ाई चलनी ही है। फिर पढ़ाई भी बन्द हो जायेगी। इन बातों को तुम्हारे सिवाए कोई भी नहीं जानते। तुम्हारे में भी नम्बरवार हैं, जो फिर बापदादा ही जानते हैं। कितने गिरते हैं, कितनी तकल़ीफ होती है। ऐसे नहीं, सदैव सभी पवित्र रह सकते हैं। पवित्र नहीं रहते, तो फिर सजायें खानी पड़ती हैं। माला के दाने ही पास विद् ऑनर्स होते हैं। फिर प्रजा भी बनती है। यह बहुत समझने की बातें है। तुम कोई को भी समझाओ, तो वह समझ थोड़ेही सकते हैं। टाइम लगता है। ... मुख्य 8 रत्न ही हैं, जो पास विद् ऑनर हो जाते हैं। वह कुछ भी सजा नहीं खाते हैं। यह बड़ी महीन बातें हैं।
“This Study will continue for as long as the Father is here. Then, the Study will come to an end. No one, apart from You, knows these aspects. Among You too, You are number-wise; and ONLY BapDada know this. So many fall, and there are so many difficulties. It is not that everyone can stay constantly Pure. When You do not stay Pure, then You have to experience retribution. Only the (top 8) beads of the Rosary ‘pass with honours’. Then the subjects too are created. These aspects have to be understood very well. When You explain to others, it is not that they are able to understand (immediately); it takes them time. ...
There are ONLY 8 main Jewels who ‘pass with honours’; they do not experience ANY punishment at all. These are very subtle aspects.

Self-explanatory.


तुम कहते हो, फलाना मिला, उनको बहुत अच्छा समझाया, वह सेवा में मदद कर सकते हैं। परन्तु वह भी जब सम्मुख हो ना। समझो गवर्नर को तुम अच्छी तरह समझाते हो, परन्तु वह थोड़ेही किसको समझा सकेंगे। कोई को समझायेंगे तो मानेंगे नहीं। जिसको समझने का होगा वही समझेगा। दूसरे को थोड़ेही समझा सकेंगे।
“You say that you met so-and-so, that You explained to him very well, and that he/she can help in Service. However, that is possible only when he/she comes in front (of Baba). For instance, You explain very well to the Governor, but he would not be able to explain to anyone. If he were to explain to anyone, they would not believe him. Only those who are to understand will understand. He would not be able to explain to others.”

One CANNOT explain to others EFFECTIVELY, UNTIL one FIRST understands oneself, and has some degree of inculcation oneself; and UNLESS the other is destined to understand, as per Drama Plan!


(ब्रह्मा) बाबा ने सब कुछ देखा हुआ है। अनुभवी है ना। सभी धर्म वालों को अच्छी तरह जानते हैं। बाप जिस तन में आयेंगे तो उसकी पर्सनैलिटी भी चाहिये ना। तब कहते हैं, बहुत जन्मों के अन्त में, जबकि यहाँ का बड़ा अनुभवी होता है, तब मैं इनमें प्रवेश करता हूँ। वह भी साधारण; पर्सनैलिटी का यह मतलब नहीं कि राजा रजवाड़ा हो। नहीं! इनको तो बहुत अनुभव है। इनके रथ में आता हूँ बहुत जन्मों के अन्त में।
“(Brahma) Baba has seen everything. He is experienced. He knows all of those religions very well. The one whose body the Father enters has to have a personality. This is why He says: I enter this one (soul of DLR), at the end of his many births, when he has experienced everything very well here. He too is ORDINARY (impure soul, in an impure body). Personality does not mean that he should be a king, or a member of a royal family; no! This one (Brahma Baba) has a great deal of experience. I enter this one's Chariot (body) at the end of his many births.”

In this PARTICULAR CONTEXT, ‘PERSONALITY’ means, one who has had a GREAT deal of experience THROUGHOUT the Cycle, and ALSO in his final birth, prior entry of Supreme Soul Shiva - which pertains to ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 28.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
जैसे रूहानी बच्चों को अब रूहानी बाप प्यारा लगता है, वैसे रूहानी बाप को रूहानी बच्चे भी प्यारे लगते हैं क्योंकि श्रीमत पर सारे विश्व का कल्याण कर रहे हैं, कल्याणकारी सब प्यारे लगते हैं। तुम भी आपस में भाई-भाई हो, तो तुम भी जरूर एक-दो को प्यारे लगेंगे। ... बाप का भी आत्माओं से लव है ना। तो आत्माओं का भी आपस में बहुत लव होना चाहिए। सतयुग में सब आत्मायें एक-दो को प्यारी लगती हैं क्योंकि शरीर का अभिमान टूट जाता है। तुम भाई-भाई एक बाप की याद से सारे विश्व का कल्याण करते हो।
Just as the spiritual Children now Love the Spiritual Father, similarly, the Spiritual Father Loves You spiritual Children, because You benefit the whole World by following Shrimat. Those who are benefactors are all loved (by everyone). You too are Brothers among yourselves, hence You would definitely have Love for one another. ... The Father too has Love for souls, and You souls should therefore also have Love for one another. In the Golden Age, all souls Love one another, because body-consciousness will have been broken. You Brothers benefit the whole World by having Remembrance of ONE Father (Shiva).

The HIGHEST Spiritual World Service is to have CONSTANT Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONEas a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering the Self ALSO as a soul – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy!


यहाँ लड़ने-झगड़ने की बात नहीं, हर एक को डायरेक्ट कनेक्शन रखना पड़ता है। यह है बेहद की बात। योगबल से बाप से वर्सा लेना है। लौकिक बाप से स्थूल वर्सा लेते हैं, यह तो है रूहानी बाप से रूहानी बच्चों को रूहानी वर्सा। हर एक को डायरेक्ट बाप से वर्सा लेना है। जितना-जितना इन्डिविज्युअल बाप को याद करेंगे उतना वर्सा मिलेगा।
“There is no question of fighting or quarreling here. Each one of You has to keep a DIRECT connection (with Shiva). This is an Unlimited aspect. You have to claim your inheritance from the Father with the ‘Power of Yoga’. You claim a corporeal inheritance from a corporeal father; whereas, this is the Spiritual inheritance from the Spiritual Father to the spiritual Children. Each one of You has to claim your inheritance DIRECTLY from the (Incorporeal) Father (Shiva). The more You INDIVIDUALLY Remember the Father, the more inheritance You will receive.

The Righteous Children must INDIVIDUALLY claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, DIRECTLY from Incorporeal God Father Shiva – by having ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of Him, ALONE - as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering the Self ALSO as a soul – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy!


इस समय देही-अभिमानी बन रहना है। अगर आपस में नहीं बनती है, तो उस समय के लिए रावण सम्प्रदाय समझना चाहिए। आपस में लूनपानी होने से बाप की इज्ज़त गंवायेंगे। भल ईश्वरीय सन्तान कहते हैं, परन्तु आसुरी गुण हैं तो जैसे देह-अभिमानी हैं। देही-अभिमानी में ईश्वरीय गुण होते हैं। ... बाप की निंदा कराने वाले, लूनपानी होने वाले ठौर पा न सकें। उनको नास्तिक भी कह सकते हैं। आस्तिक होने वाले बच्चे कभी लड़ नहीं सकते।
“At this time, You have to remain soul-conscious. If You do not get along with one another, You should consider yourselves to be belonging to the ‘community of Ravan’, at THAT time. By sulking with one another, You cause the Father to lose His Honour. Even though You are called the Children of God, if there are devilish traits in you, you are (STILL) body-conscious. Soul-conscious Children have Godly virtues in them. ... Those who sulk with one another, and cause the Father to be defamed, CANNOT reach their destination. They can even be called atheists. Children who have to become theists can NEVER fight (with ANYONE).”

Children who STILL sulk with one another, cause the Father to be defamed – therefore, they would STILL be considered to be atheists, who CANNOT reach their Spiritual destination, UNTIL they become theists by re-developing Godly virtues, ONCE AGAIN – as they did a Cycle ago!


माया बड़ी तीखी है। जैसे चूहा काटता है, जो मालूम ही नहीं पड़ता है। माया भी बड़ी मीठी-मीठी फूंक दे और काट लेती है। पता भी नहीं पड़ता है। आपस में रूसना आदि आसुरी सम्प्रदाय का काम है। बहुत सेन्टर्स में लूनपानी होकर रहते हैं। ... बाप को याद करना तो बहुत सहज है - अल्फ और बे। ‘अल्फ’ माना बाप, ‘बे’ बादशाही। तो बच्चों को नशा रहना चाहिए। अगर आपस में लूनपानी होंगे तो फिर ईश्वरीय औलाद कैसे समझेंगे। बाबा समझेंगे यह आसुरी औलाद है, माया ने इसे नाक से पकड़ लिया है। उनको पता भी नहीं पड़ता है, सारी अवस्था डांवाडोल, पद कम हो पड़ता है।
“Maya is very ‘sharp’. Just as a mouse bites in such a way that you are not even aware of it, so Maya too blows on you very sweetly and then bites you, and you are NOT EVEN AWARE of it. To sulk with each other is the work of the devilish community. At many Centers, Children sulk with one another. ... It is very easy to remember the Father: Alpha (‘Alif’) and Beta (‘Bey’). ‘Alpha’ means the Father; and ‘Beta’ means the Sovereignty. Therefore, You Children should have intoxication. If you sulk with one another, how could you be considered to be God’s Children? Baba would think that you are devilish children, and that Maya has caught hold of you by the nose. They do NOT EVEN REALIZE that their stage is fluctuating and that their status is getting reduced.

Children who sulk with one another, are NOT EVEN AWARE that they are under the influence of Ravan or Maya – and they DO NOT EVEN REALIZE that their stage is fluctuating, and that their status is getting reduced!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 29.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
यहाँ सिखाने वाला एक ही रूहानी बाप है, जो आत्माओं को समझाते हैं। आत्मा ही धारण करती है। परमपिता परमात्मा में यह सारा ज्ञान है, 84 के चक्र का उनमें नॉलेज है, इसलिए उनको भी ‘स्वदर्शन चक्रधारी’ कह सकते हैं। हम बच्चों को भी वह स्वदर्शन चक्रधारी बना रहे हैं। (शिव)बाबा भी ब्रह्मा के तन में है, इसलिए उनको ‘ब्राह्मण’ भी कहा जा सकता है। हम भी उनके बच्चे ब्राह्मण सो देवता बनते हैं। अब बाप बैठ याद की यात्रा सिखलाते हैं।
“Here, the One who TEACHES is ONLY ONE Spiritual Father, who is explaining to You souls. It is souls who imbibe everything. The Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva) has all of this Knowledge. He has the Knowledge of the Cycle of 84 births, which is why He can also be called the ‘Spinner of the discus of Self-Realisation’ (in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT). He is also making us Children into ‘spinners of the discus of Self-Realisation’. (Shiv)Baba is in the body of Brahma, which is why He too can be called a ‘Brahmin’ (in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT). We, His children, also become Brahmins, who then become Deities. The Father now sits here and TEACHES You the pilgrimage of Remembrance.”

ALL the ‘mouth-born’ progeny of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, are the Righteous Children, who become TRUE Brahmins.

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev ALSO becomes a TRUE Brahmin, since he too is ‘mouth-born’ – being Spiritually re-born through the Lotus Mouth of his OWN corporeal body – in this context!

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God can ALSO be REGARDED as a ‘Brahmin’, since He enters the body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, as His ‘mukrar-rath’ - in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT!


तुम जानते हो इन सन्यासियों आदि को ज्ञान तब मिलता है जबकि विनाश का समय होता है। भल तुम उन्हें ऐसे निमंत्रण देते रहो, लेकिन यह ज्ञान उनके कलष में जल्दी नहीं आयेगा। जब विनाश सामने देखेंगे तब आयेंगे। समझेंगे अब तो मौत आया कि आया। जब नज़दीक देखेंगे तब मानेंगे। उन्हों का पार्ट ही अन्त में है। तुम कहते हो अब विनाश आया कि आया, मौत आना है। वह समझते हैं, इन्हों के यह गपोड़े हैं। तुम्हारा झाड़ धीरे-धीरे बढ़ता है।
“You know that those sannyasis, etc., receive this Knowledge only when it is time for destruction. Although You may continue to invite them, this Knowledge will not enter their ‘urn’ (intellect) quickly. They will come when they see destruction in front of them. They will then understand that death is about to come. When they see it coming close, they will believe You. Their part is only at the end. You say that destruction is now about to come, and that death has to come. They think that these are your fibs. Your Tree grows slowly.”

Many sannyasis may attend many programs of the Yagya, but this Knowledge will NOT enter their intellects NOW - they will begin to realize same ONLY at the end, when they actually FEEL that destruction has definitely to take place!


बाकी ध्यान में जाना तो कोई बड़ी बात नहीं है। जैसे यहाँ शिवबाबा तुमको पढ़ाते हैं, वैसे वहाँ भी शिवबाबा इन द्वारा कुछ समझायेंगे। सूक्ष्मवतन में क्या होता है, यह सिर्फ जानना होता है। बाकी ट्रांस आदि को कुछ भी महत्व नहीं देना है। कोई को ट्रांस दिखलाना - यह भी बचपन है। बाबा सबको सावधान करते हैं - ट्रांस में मत जाओ, इसमें भी कई बार माया प्रवेश हो जाती है।
“To go into trance is not a big thing. Just as ShivBaba is TEACHING You here, in the same way, there too (in the Subtle Region), ShivBaba will explain something through this one (through the PERFECT, symbolic subtle form of Brahma Baba - PRIOR 1969). You just have to know what happens in the Subtle Region, but You must not give any importance to trance, etc. To demonstrate going into trance is also childish. Baba cautions everyone: Do not go into trance. Maya often also interferes in that.

Ravan or Maya can also enter and interfere, when anyone goes into trance – depending on the degree of body-consciousness of that particular individual!


बाबा ने समझ दी है। ट्रांस में न तो याद की यात्रा है, न ज्ञान है। ... याद से विकर्म विनाश होंगे। ट्रांस में विकर्म विनाश नहीं होंगे। ...
मुख्य है ही पढ़ाई, इनसे ट्रांस आदि का कनेक्शन नहीं है। यह बड़ी बात नहीं। बहुत जगह ऐसे ध्यान में चले जाते हैं, फिर कहते ‘मम्मा आई, बाबा आया’। बाप कहते हैं, यह कुछ भी नहीं है। बाप तो एक ही बात समझाते हैं - तुम जो आधाकल्प देह-अभिमानी बन पड़े हो, अब देही-अभिमानी बन बाप को याद करो, तो विकर्म विनाश हों; इसको याद की यात्रा कहा जाता है।
“Baba has given You the understanding that there is neither the pilgrimage of Remembrance, nor any Knowledge, in trance. ... Your sins will be absolved by having Remembrance. Sins CANNOT be absolved with trance. ...
The main aspect is the Study, which has NO connection with trance, etc. That is not a big thing. In many places, some go into trance, and then say, ‘Mama came, or Baba came’. The Father says: All of that is nothing. The Father only explains one aspect: You have been body-conscious for half the Cycle; now become soul-conscious and Remember the Father, and your sins will be absolved. This is called the pilgrimage of Remembrance.”

Self-explanatory.


अब चक्र पूरा हुआ है। अब हमको घर और स्वर्ग में जाना है, तो उसके लिए पावन भी जरूर बनना है। याद की यात्रा से पावन बनना है। याद में ही विघ्न पड़ते हैं, इसमें ही तुम्हारी लड़ाई है। पढ़ाई में लड़ाई की बात नहीं होती। पढ़ाई तो बिल्कुल सिम्पल है। 84 के चक्र की नॉलेज तो बहुत सहज है। बाकी अपने को आत्मा समझ, बाप को याद करो, इसमें है मेहनत।
“The Cycle is now coming to an end. We now have to go Home (to the Soul World), and then to Heaven (‘World of Happiness’), and so we must definitely become Pure to be able to do that. You have to become Pure with the pilgrimage of Remembrance. It is in Remembrance that there are obstacles, and it is in this that You have to battle. There is no question of a battle when studying. The Study is very simple. The Knowledge of the Cycle of 84 births is very easy; but to consider yourself to be a soul and Remember the Father requires effort.

It requires effort to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONEas a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering the Self ALSO as a soul – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A AV 19.12.1984, Revised 30.06.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children - 1) who were PHYSICALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar; and 2) who were SPIRITUALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through their own Divine Intellects, in their own 'Akari' stage.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाप साथी बन साथ निभाने के लिए, साकार माध्यम द्वारा हर कदम रूपी कर्म करके दिखाने के लिए, साकार सृष्टि पर अवतरित होते हैं। यह भी सहज करने के लिए, साकार को माध्यम बनाया है। साकार में फालो करना वा कदम पर कदम रखना तो सहज है ना? ...
कदम रखना अर्थात् संकल्प करना
“The Father (Shiva) incarnates in this corporeal World, in order to fulfill (the responsibility of) His companionship by becoming your Companion; and to demonstrate His actions in the form of each step through the corporeal medium (of Brahma Baba). He made the corporeal one (soul of DLR) His medium in order to make it easy for You (UNTIL 1969). It is easy to follow and place your footsteps in His footsteps in the corporeal form, is it not? ...
To place your footsteps means to emerge a thought.


जब साकार माध्यम को मार्गदर्शन स्वरूप बनाए सैम्पुल भी रखा, फिर मार्ग पर चलना मुश्किल क्यों? सहज साधन सेकण्ड का साधन है। जो साकार रूप में ब्रह्मा बाप ने जैसे किया, जो किया, वही करना है! फालो फादर करना है।
“Since He even kept the corporeal medium (soul of DLR), in the form of a sample to show You the path, then why is it difficult to follow the path? The easy method is a method of just a second. Whatever Father Brahma (Brahma Baba) DID in the corporeal form (PRIOR 1969), and how he DID it, is all You have to do! You simply have to follow the (‘Alokik’) Father (Brahma Baba).

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 01.07.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाप ही आकर रावण की जेल से छुड़ाते हैं क्योंकि सब क्रिमिनल, पाप आत्मायें हैं। सारी दुनिया के मनुष्य मात्र क्रिमिनल होने के कारण रावण की जेल में हैं। फिर जब शरीर छोड़ते हैं, तो भी गर्भ जेल में जाते हैं। बाप आकर दोनों जेल से छुड़ाते हैं; फिर तुम आधाकल्प रावण की जेल में भी नहीं, और गर्भ जेल में भी नहीं जायेंगे। तुम जानते हो बाप धीरे-धीरे पुरुषार्थ अनुसार हमें रावण की जेल से, और गर्भ जेल से छुड़ाते रहते हैं। बाप बताते हैं, तुम सब क्रिमिनल हो रावण राज्य में। फिर राम राज्य में सब सिविलाइज्ड होते हैं।
“The Father, Himself, comes and liberates You from the jail of Ravan, because ALL are criminal, sinful souls. Because ALL human beings of the WHOLE World are criminal, they are in the jail of Ravan; and when they shed their bodies, then too they go into the ‘jail’ of a womb. The Father comes and liberates You from both jails. Then, for half the Cycle, You will neither go into the jail of Ravan, nor the ‘jail’ of a womb. You know that the Father is gradually liberating You from the jail of Ravan, and the ‘jail’ of a womb, according to the effort You make. The Father tells You that, in the ‘kingdom of Ravan’, ALL of you are criminal. Then, in the ‘Kingdom of RAMA (Shiva), ALL are civilized.”

During Ravan Rajya EVERYONE becomes criminal-eyesed, or body-conscious, due to which, ALL are either in the jail of Ravan (in Ravan Rajya), or in the ‘jail’ of a womb.

During RamRajaya EVERYONE is civil-eyesed (civilized), or soul-conscious, due to which, NO ONE is either in the jail of Ravan, or the ‘jail’ of a womb – they are either in the palace of RAMA (in RamRajya), or a ‘palace’ of a womb!


अब बाप पढ़ाते हैं, दैवीगुण धारण कराते हैं। देह-अभिमान तो सबमें है। जितना-जितना तुम सर्विस में लगे रहेंगे, उतना देह-अभिमान कम होता जायेगा। सर्विस करने से ही देह-अभिमान कम होगा। देही-अभिमानी बड़ी-बड़ी सर्विस करेंगे। बाबा देही-अभिमानी है, तो कितनी अच्छी सर्विस करते हैं। सभी को क्रिमिनल रावण की जेल से छुड़ाए सद्गति प्राप्त करा देते हैं, वहाँ फिर दोनों जेल नहीं होगी।
“The Father is now TEACHING You, and enabling You to imbibe Divine virtues. Everyone has body-consciousness. The more You remain engaged in Service, the more your body-consciousness will be reduced. Body-consciousness will be reduced ONLY by doing (Spiritual) Service. Those who are soul-conscious will do a great deal of Service. (Shiv)Baba is soul-conscious, and so He does such good Service. He liberates everyone from the criminal jail of Ravan and enables everyone to attain Salvation. Both the jails will NOT exist there (in RamRajya).”

Body-consciousness can be reduced by doing Spiritual Service.


आधाकल्प का देह-अभिमान निकलने में देरी तो लगती है। बहुत मेहनत करनी पड़ती है। जल्दी में जो शरीर छोड़ गये, वह फिर भी बड़े होकर आए कुछ ज्ञान उठा सकते हैं। जितना देरी होती जाती है, तो फिर पुरुषार्थ तो कर न सकें। कोई मरे, फिर आकर पुरुषार्थ करे सो तो जब आरगन्स बड़े हों; समझदार हों, तब कुछ कर भी सकें। देरी से जाने वाले तो कुछ सीख नहीं सकेंगे। जितना सीखे उतना सीखे, इसलिए मरने से पहले पुरुषार्थ करना चाहिए।
“It does take time for the body-consciousness of half the Cycle to be removed. You have to make a lot of effort. Those who have already shed their bodies can also come here again and take Knowledge after growing older. The later it becomes, the less possible it is for You to make effort. When someone dies, one can only make effort again, when the (physical) organs become big; one can only do something when one becomes sensible. Those who go (leave their bodies) later will not be able to Study very much. They will only Study as much as they have studied already. This is why You should make effort before You die (leave the body - during Confluence Age).”

Brahmin souls can take 2 to 3 corporeal bodies during entire Confluence Age!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 02.07.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
कहते हैं ब्रह्मा देवता, विष्णु देवता, शंकर देवता, परन्तु समझ से नहीं कहते हैं। ब्रह्मा को वास्तव में ‘देवता’ नहीं कहेंगे। ‘देवता’ विष्णु को कहा जाता है। ब्रह्मा का किसको भी पता नहीं है। विष्णु देवता ठीक है; शंकर का तो कुछ भी पार्ट है नहीं। उनकी बॉयोग्राफी नहीं है, शिवबाबा की तो बायोग्राफी है। वह आते ही हैं पतितों को पावन बनाने, नई दुनिया स्थापन करने।
“They say: Deity Brahma, Deity Vishnu and Deity Shankar, but they do not say this with understanding. In fact, Brahma (soul of DLR, when he is in his impure corporeal body, UNTIL 1969) would NOT be called a ‘Deity’. Vishnu (COMBINED form of Lakshmi & Narayan of Golden Age) is called a Deity. No one knows about Brahma (soul of DLR, who is REAL PrajaPita Brahma). It is right to say, ‘Deity Vishnu’; but Shankar has NO part (on this corporeal sphere); there is NO biography of him. There is the Biography of ShivBaba (Supreme Soul Shiva). He comes here to make impure ones Pure and establish the New World (through PrajaPita Brahma – soul of DLR).”

Shankar of the Subtle Region has NO biography, since he DOES NOT come on this corporeal sphere to enact ANY role, through ANY corporeal body – like Shiva does!
Shankar is the subtle ‘SHADOW’ of Shiva, who operates ONLY from the Subtle Region - through INSPIRATION, by INFLUENCING the intellects of CONCERNED embodied souls on this corporeal sphere – and NOT by DIRECTLY entering ANY embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere, like Shiva does!


अभी वह आदि सनातन देवी-देवता धर्म प्राय:लोप है, इसलिए बनेन ट्री का मिसाल देते हैं। सारा झाड़ खड़ा है। फाउन्डेशन है नहीं। सबसे बड़ी आयु इस बनेन ट्री की होती है। तो इसमें सबसे बड़ी आयु है आदि सनातन देवी-देवता धर्म की। वह जब प्राय: लोप हो, तब तो बाप आकर कहे कि अभी एक धर्म की स्थापना और अनेक धर्मों का विनाश होना है, इसलिए त्रिमूर्ति भी बनाया है। परन्तु अर्थ नहीं समझते हैं। तुम बच्चे जानते हो ऊंच ते ऊंच भगवान् है, फिर ब्रह्मा-विष्णु-शंकर।
“NOW, that original eternal Deity religion has disappeared, which is why the example of a banyan tree is given. The whole Tree is standing, but it does not have a foundation. It is the banyan tree that has the greatest lifespan. Here, it is the original eternal Deity religion which has the greatest duration. When that disappears, then the Father can come and say: Now that one religion has to be established, and the other religions have to be destroyed. This is why the Trimurti has been created, but they do not understand the meaning of that. You children know that God (‘Bhagwan’) is the Highest-on-High, and then there are Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar (of the Subtle Region).

Just as a banyan tree still stands with its many branches, but the original trunk of the tree ‘disappears’; similarly, the Tree of innumerable religions still stands, during Ravan Rajya, but the original eternal Deity religion, which was the Trunk of this Tree, has ‘disappeared’!


पहले तो तुम सबको पावन बनना है। फिर नम्बरवार पार्ट बजाने आना है। आत्मायें सब ऊपर में रहती हैं। बाप भी ऊपर में रहते हैं, फिर उनको बुलाते हैं कि आओ। ऐसे वह बुलाने से आते नहीं हैं। बाप कहते हैं, मेरा भी ड्रामा में पार्ट नूँधा हुआ है। जैसे हद के ड्रामा में भी बड़े-बड़े मुख्य एक्टर्स का पार्ट होता है, यह फिर है बेहद का ड्रामा। सब ड्रामा के बंधन में बांधे हुए हैं।
“First of all, You all have to become Pure (and go back to the Soul World), and then come down to play your parts, number-wise. All souls reside up above (in the Soul World). The Father too resides up above (in the Supreme Abode), and then You call out to Him to come. He does not come by your calling Him. The Father says: My part is also fixed in the Drama. Just as the main actors in a limited drama have a main part, so this is the Unlimited Drama. ALL are tied in the bondage of the Drama.

Just as calling out to the Father, to come down on this corporeal sphere, is also fixed in Drama; so also, His ACTUAL coming down on this corporeal sphere, is ALSO fixed in Drama – He does NOT come down just because of calling out to Him!


तुम जानते हो यह रावण राज्य है। रावण के ऊपर गधे का शीश दिखाते हैं। गधे को कितना भी साफ कर उस पर कपड़े रखो, गधा फिर भी मिट्टी में लेटकर कपड़े खराब कर देगा। बाप तुम्हारे कपड़े साफ गुल-गुल बनाते हैं, फिर रावण राज्य में लिथड़ कर, अपवित्र बन जाते हो। आत्मा और शरीर दोनों अपवित्र बन जाते हैं। बाप कहते हैं, तुमने सारा श्रृंगार गँवा दिया। बाप को पतित-पावन कहते हैं, तुम भरी सभा में कह सकते हो कि हम गोल्डन एज में कितने श्रृंगारे हुए थे, कितना फर्स्टक्लास राज्य-भाग्य था। फिर माया रूपी धूल में लिथड़ कर मैले हो गये।
“You know that this is the ‘kingdom of Ravan’. They show a head of a donkey on top of (the head of) Ravan. No matter how clean you make a donkey before you place the laundry on him, he will still lie in the mud and soil the clothes. The Father cleans your clothes (of the body) and makes You beautiful. Then, you loll around in the kingdom of Ravan and become impure. Both soul and body become impure. The Father says: You have lost all your decoration. The Father is called the Purifier. You can say in a packed gathering how decorated You were in the Golden Age; You had such a first-class fortune of the Kingdom, and you then lolled around in the dust of Maya and became dirty.”

In one PARTICULAR context, the depiction of a head of a donkey on top of the head of Ravan, signifies that no matter how beautiful Incorporeal God Father Shiva makes the Children, in Confluence Age, for the entire duration of RamRajya - they STILL loll around in the ‘kingdom of Ravan’, during Ravan Rajya, in the dust of Maya, and become dirty, once again!


प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा है ‘ग्रेट-ग्रेट ग्रैण्ड फादर’। उनका आक्यूपेशन कोई नहीं जानते। विराट रूप बनाया है, तो प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा को भी उड़ा दिया है। बाप और ब्राह्मणों को यथार्थ रीति जानते नहीं हैं। उनको कहते भी हैं ‘आदि देव’। बाप समझाते हैं, मैं इस झाड़ का चैतन्य बीजरूप हूँ। यह उल्टा झाड़ है। बाप जो सत्य है, चैतन्य है, ज्ञान का सागर है, उनकी ही महिमा की जाती है। आत्मा न हो तो चल फिर भी न सकें। गर्भ में भी 5-6 मास के बाद आत्मा प्रवेश करती है। यह भी ड्रामा बना हुआ है।
PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR) is the ‘great-great-grandfather’. No one knows his occupation. They have created a variety-form image, but they have not shown PrajaPita Brahma. They DO NOT know the (‘Alokik’) Father (Brahma), or the Brahmins, ACCURATELY. They call him ‘Adi Dev’ also. The (‘Parlokik’) Father (Shiva) explains: I am the Living Seed Form of this Tree. This is an inverted Tree. There is praise of ONLY the (‘Parlokik’) Father, who is the Truth, the Living Being, and the Ocean of Knowledge. If there is no soul (in a body), it cannot move around. A soul enters a womb only after 5 to 6 months (after conception). This Drama is predestined.”

In Ravan Rajya, the Trunk of the Tree, which is the original eternal Deity religion, ‘disappears’; therefore, they DO NOT know REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, and who is the ACTUAL ‘great-great-grandfather’ of the ENTIRE human race - ACCURATELY.
Hence, they consider their OWN instrumental religious head of their OWN respective religion to be their ‘PrajaPita’.

The ‘shooting’ of same takes place - more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – when Brahma Baba ‘DISAPPEARS’ (having left his corporeal body in 1969) – and when the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – becomes an instrument to establish Ravan Rajya, by propagating the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of Ravan Rajya) – due to which the BLIND Unrighteous children DELUSIVELY consider him to be their ‘PrajaPita’ & the ‘great-great-grandfather’ of humanity – ALL, PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan!

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"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 03.07.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
अपने को आत्मा समझ दूसरे को भी आत्मा समझें, यह अवस्था जमाने में टाइम लगता है। ... जिस प्रकार तुम बच्चे अपने को आत्मा समझते हो, बाप को याद करते हो, ऐसे और कोई याद नहीं कर सकते होंगे। कोई भी आत्मा का योग बाप के साथ है नहीं। यह बातें हैं बहुत गुह्य, महीन। अपने को आत्मा समझ बाप को याद करना है। कहते भी हैं, हम भाई-भाई हैं, तो आत्मा को ही देखना चाहिए। शरीर को नहीं देखना चाहिए। यह बहुत बड़ी मंज़िल है। बहुत हैं जो बाप को कभी याद भी नहीं करते होंगे। आत्मा पर मैल चढ़ी हुई है। मुख्य आत्मा की ही बात है। ... वह भी आत्मा, तुम भी आत्मायें। तुम आत्मायें सारा ज्ञान ले लेती हो। जैसे वह एवर प्योर है, तुम भी एवर प्योर बनेंगे। फिर जब अपवित्रता की रिंचक भी नहीं रहेगी, तब ऊपर चले जायेंगे।
It TAKES TIME to develop the stage of considering yourself to be a soul, while also considering others to be souls. ... No one else would be able to Remember in the way in which You Children (FIRST) consider yourselves to be souls, and (THEN) Remember the Father. None of those souls have Yoga with the Father. These aspects are very deep and subtle. You have to (FIRST) consider yourself to be a soul and (THEN) Remember the Father. They say that they are ‘brothers’, so they should only look at souls, they should not look at bodies. This destination is very high. There are many who would never even be Remembering the Father. Each soul is covered with dirt (of body-consciousness). The main aspect is of the soul. ... He (Shiva) too is a Soul, and You too are souls. You souls take all the Knowledge (from Him). Just as He is ever Pure, so You too will become ever Pure. Then, when not the slightest trace of impurity remains, You will go up above.”

It DOES TAKE TIME to develop soul-consciousness, ONCE AGAIN!


स्वर्ग तो सब चाहते हैं। भारतवासी ही वैकुण्ठ स्वर्ग को याद करते हैं। और धर्म वाले वैकुण्ठ को याद नहीं करते। वह सिर्फ शान्ति को याद करेंगे। सुख को तो याद कर न सकें। लॉ नहीं कहता। सुख को तो तुम ही याद करते हो, इसलिए पुकारते हो, हमें दु:ख से लिबरेट करो। आत्मायें असुल शान्तिधाम में रहने वाली हैं।
“ Everyone desires (to be in) Heaven. Only the people of Bharat remember Paradise or Heaven. Those of other religions do not remember ‘Vaikunth’ (Paradise). They would simply remember Peace. They cannot remember Happiness; the Law does not allow that. Only You remember Happiness, and this is why you call out: Liberate us from sorrow. Souls are originally residents of the ‘Land of Peace’. ”

ONLY the Righteous children would PREDOMINANTLY remember the Happiness of Paradise; ALL others would PREDOMINANTLY remember the Peace of the Soul World!


पढ़ाई में भी जैसे-जैसे पढ़ते जाते हैं, तो फिर हल्की पढ़ाई ‘अल्फ-बे’ आदि थोड़ेही याद रहती है। वह भूल जाती है। तुमको भी कहेंगे, अभी तुम्हारा ज्ञान बदल गया है। ‘अरे, पढ़ाई में ऊपर चढ़ते जाते हैं, तो पहली पढ़ाई भूलती जाती है ना? बाप भी हमको नित्य नई-नई बातें सुनाते हैं। पहले हल्की पढ़ाई थी, अब बाप गुह्य-गुह्य बातें सुनाते रहते हैं। ज्ञान का सागर है ना। सुनाते-सुनाते फिर पिछाड़ी में दो अक्षर कह देते, अल्फ को समझा तो भी काफी है। अल्फ को जानने से, बे को जान ही लेंगे।’ इतना सिर्फ समझाओ, तो भी ठीक है। जो जास्ती ज्ञान नहीं धारण कर सकते वह ऊंच पद भी पा नहीं सकते। पास विद् ऑनर हो न सकें। कर्मातीत अवस्था को पा न सकें।
“In any study, as one continues to study, then the simpler study of ‘A, B’, etc., would hardly be remembered; that would be forgotten. They would also tell You that your Knowledge has now changed.
(Tell them) ‘Oh! When one advances in studies, whatever one studied earlier is forgotten, is it not? The Father is also telling us new aspects continuously. At first, the Study was simple; whereas now, the Father is continuing to tell us deeper aspects. He is the Ocean of Knowledge. While continuing to relate, He then eventually tells just two words, if you understand Alpha, then that too is sufficient. By knowing Alpha, you would (automatically) know Beta.’
Simply explain this much, and that too is fine. Those who are unable to imbibe a great deal of Knowledge are unable to claim a high status. They cannot ‘pass with honours’ or attain their ‘karmateet’ stage.”

Those who are unable to imbibe a great deal of Knowledge, should at least be explained about Alpha (‘Alif’ - Creator) and Beta (‘Bey’ – creation/inheritance/Sovereignty)!


साइंस वाले भी कितने होशियार होते जाते हैं। इन्वेन्शन निकालते रहते हैं। भारतवासी हर बात का अक्ल वहाँ से सीखकर आते हैं। वह भी पिछाड़ी में आयेंगे, तो इतना ज्ञान उठायेंगे नहीं। फिर वहाँ भी आकर यही इन्जीनियरिंग आदि का काम करेंगे। राजा-रानी तो बन न सके, राजा-रानी के आगे सर्विस में रहेंगे। ऐसी-ऐसी इन्वेन्शन निकालते रहेंगे। राजा रानी बनते ही हैं सुख के लिए। वहाँ तो सब सुख मिल जाने हैं। तो बच्चों को पुरूषार्थ पूरा करना चाहिए। फुल पास होकर कर्मातीत अवस्था को पाना है।
“Scientists are also continuing to become very clever. They also continue to invent so many things. People of Bharat learn all the skills from there (abroad) and come back. When they (scientists) come here at the end, they will not take that much Knowledge. They will then come there (to the Golden Age) and perform the same tasks of engineering, etc (as they perform here). They cannot become Kings and Queens, but they will be in the service of the Kings and Queens. They will continue to invent new things. You become Kings and Queens for Happiness. There, You will receive all types of Happiness. Therefore, You Children should make FULL effort. You have to pass fully and reach your ‘karmateet’ stage.”

The latest developments of science and technology will be practically used to build palaces and sophisticated airplanes in Golden Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 04 Jul 2019

"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 04.07.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
जो मुरली पढ़कर सर्विस करते हैं, उन्हों का समाचार मैगज़ीन में आता है। अब जो बच्चे मैगज़ीन पढ़ते हैं, उन्हें सेन्टर्स के सर्विस समाचार का मालूम पड़ेगा - फलानी-फलानी जगह ऐसी सर्विस हो रही है। जो पढ़ेंगे ही नहीं, तो उनको कुछ भी समाचार का मालूम नहीं पड़ेगा, और पुरूषार्थ भी नहीं करेंगे। सर्विस का समाचार सुनकर दिल में आता है, मैं भी ऐसी सर्विस करूँ। मैगज़ीन से मालूम पड़ता है, हमारे भाई-बहिन कितनी सर्विस करते हैं। यह तो बच्चे समझते हैं - जितनी सर्विस, उतना ऊंच पद मिलेगा, इसलिए मैगज़ीन भी उत्साह दिलाती है सर्विस के लिए। यह कोई फालतू नहीं बनती है। ... जितना पढ़ेंगे और पढ़ायेंगे उतना अपना ही फ़ायदा है। बहुत बच्चे हैं जिनको मैगज़ीन पढ़ने का ख्याल भी नहीं आता है। वो पाई-पैसे का पद पा लेंगे।
“The news of those who Study the Murli and do Service is printed in the magazines. Now, those Children who read the magazines can come to know the Service news of the Centres - what Service is taking place in such-and-such a place. Those who do not read them at all will not come to know any news, nor will they make effort. When You hear news of Service, it enters your hearts that You also should do that type of Service. By reading the magazines, You can come to know how much Service your Brothers and Sisters are doing. You Children understand that the more Service You do, the higher the status You will receive. Therefore, the magazines can give You enthusiasm for Service; they are not made without any purpose. ... The more You Study and teach others, the more You will benefit your OWN self. There are many Children who do not even think of reading the magazines. They will only claim a status worth pennies.”

Reading Service News in Yagya magazines enhances one’s enthusiasm, and motivates one to do similar Spiritual Service.


तो बच्चों को भी समझाना है, कलियुग में अपार दु:ख हैं, सतयुग में अपार सुख हैं। अभी संगमयुग चल रहा है। बाप रास्ता बताते हैं, ऐसे नहीं बाप सुख देते हैं। सुख का रास्ता बताते हैं। रावण भी दु:ख देते नहीं हैं, दु:ख का उल्टा रास्ता बताते हैं। बाप न दु:ख देते हैं, न सुख देते हैं, सुख का रास्ता बताते हैं। फिर जो जितना पुरूषार्थ करेंगे उतना सुख मिलेगा। सुख देते नहीं हैं। बाप की श्रीमत पर चलने से सुख पाते हैं। बाप तो सिर्फ रास्ता बताते हैं, रावण से दु:ख का रास्ता मिलता है। अगर बाप देता हो, तो फिर सबको एक जैसा वर्सा मिलना चाहिए।
“Therefore, You Children also have to explain that there is limitless sorrow in the Iron Age and limitless Happiness in the Golden Age. It is now the Confluence Age. The Father shows You the path; it is not that the Father gives You happiness; He shows You the path to Happiness. Ravan does not cause you sorrow either. He shows you the wrong path to sorrow. The Father neither causes You sorrow, nor gives You happiness. He shows You the path to Happiness. Then, each of You receives Happiness according to the effort You make. He does not give You happiness. It is by following the Father’s Shrimat that You receive Happiness. The Father simply shows You the path. You are led onto the path of sorrow by Ravan. If the Father would be giving (happiness), then everyone would have to receive an equal inheritance.”

Incorporeal God Father Shiva DOES NOT give ANY happiness to the Spiritual Children, in the PARTICULAR SENSE that a corporeal father gives happiness to his corporeal children during Iron Age – in which case He would have to give the SAME happiness to each and every Child.
Incorporeal God Father Shiva ONLY shows the path to Unlimited Happiness in the New World of RamRajya, which is to be experienced by making individual effort during Confluence Age – and is therefore, number-wise, in ACCORDANCE with individual effort!


यही वन्डर है, हम ब्राह्मण ही यह ज्ञान सुनाते हैं, श्रीमत पर। तुम समझाते हो इस हिसाब से हम ब्राह्मण ही प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा की सन्तान ठहरे। अनेक बार बने थे, फिर होंगे। मनुष्यों की समझ में जब आयेगा तब मानेंगे। तुम जानते हो, कल्प-कल्प हम प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा की सन्तान एडाप्टेड बच्चे बनते हैं। जो समझते हैं, वह निश्चयबुद्धि भी हो जाते हैं। ब्राह्मण बनने बिगर देवता कैसे बनेंगे?
“It is a wonder that ONLY we Brahmins give this Knowledge, on the basis of Shrimat. On account of this, You explain that ONLY You Brahmins are the Children of PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR). You became MANY times (in previous Cycles), and You will become again (in the next Cycle). Only when human beings understand this will they believe it. You understand that You become the adopted Children of PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR), Cycle after Cycle. The intellects of those who understand also develop faith. How can You become a Deity, without first becoming a Brahmin?

One can become an ELEVATED Deity of RamRajya, ONLY when one FIRST becomes a TRUE Brahmin in Confluence Age – ONLY THROUGH REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev!


कितनी बड़ी पढ़ाई है। इस बाप की पढ़ाई से ही सूर्यवंशी-चन्द्रवंशी घराना बनने का है। वह इस जन्म में ही पढ़कर और मर्तबा पा लेते हैं। तुम तो जानते हो इस पढ़ाई का पद फिर नई दुनिया में मिलना है। वह कोई दूर नहीं है। जैसे कपड़ा बदला जाता है, ऐसे ही पुरानी दुनिया को छोड़ जाना है नई दुनिया में। विनाश भी होगा जरूर। अब तुम नई दुनिया के बन रहे हो। फिर यह पुराना चोला छोड़ जाना है। नम्बरवार राजधानी स्थापन हो रही है, जो अच्छी रीति पढ़ेंगे वही पहले स्वर्ग में आयेंगे।
“This Study is so great. The Sun and Moon dynasties are going to be created ONLY through this Study of the Father. They study in this SAME birth and claim their status (in this SAME birth). You understand that You will receive your status from this Study in the New World (of RamRajya). That is not far away. Just as one changes clothes, in the same way, You will leave the old World and go to the New World. Destruction will definitely take place. You are now becoming those who belong to the New World, and You have to leave your old costumes (bodies) and go there. The Kingdom is being established, number-wise. ONLY those who Study well will go to Heaven first.”

During Ravan Rajya one studies in EACH birth, and claims a status ONLY in that PARTICULAR birth. Whereas, the Study of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), through an impure corporeal body, during Confluence Age – enables one to claim a status in the New World of RamRajya, for 21 births, through pure corporeal bodies!


इस ज्ञान का विनाश नहीं होता है। थोड़ा भी सुना तो स्वर्ग में आयेंगे। प्रजा तो बहुत बनती है। कहाँ राजा, कहाँ रंक। हर एक की बुद्धि अपनी-अपनी है। जो समझकर औरों को समझाते हैं, वही अच्छा पद पाते हैं। यह स्कूल भी मोस्ट अनकॉमन है। भगवान् आकर पढ़ाते हैं। श्रीकृष्ण तो फिर भी दैवी गुणों वाला देवता है। बाप कहते हैं, मैं दैवी गुणों और आसुरी गुणों से न्यारा हूँ। मैं, तुम्हारा बाप, आता हूँ पढ़ाने। रूहानी नॉलेज सुप्रीम रूह ही देता है। गीता का ज्ञान कोई देहधारी मनुष्य वा देवता ने नहीं दिया। विष्णु देवता नम: कहते, तो कृष्ण कौन? देवता कृष्ण ही विष्णु है - यह कोई जानते नहीं।
This Knowledge is never destroyed. Even if You hear a little, You will come to Heaven. Many become subjects. There is a vast difference between a King and a pauper. Each one's intellect is one’s own. ONLY those who understand (this Knowledge) and explain same to others will claim a good status. This School is also most uncommon! God comes here and TEACHES you! Shri Krishna is a human being with Divine virtues. The Father says: I am beyond Divine virtues and devilish traits. I, your Father, come to TEACH You. Only the Supreme Soul (Shiva) can give Spiritual Knowledge. This Knowledge of the (TRUE) Gita is not given by any bodily being or a Deity. They say: Salutations to the deity Vishnu. So, who is Krishna? The Deity Krishna (soul of DLR), himself, is Vishnu (COMBINED with Deity Radhe). No one else knows this.

Vishnu is the COMBINED form of the Deity Shri Krishna (soul of DLR), as Shri Narayan & the Deity Shri Radhe (soul of Om Radhe), as Shri Lakshmi – in PARTICULAR – who are the VERY FIRST pair of the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns of Golden Age - who achieve that status by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns of Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 05 Jul 2019

"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 05.07.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
अभी तुम बच्चों को बाप ने समझाया है, तुम फिर रिपीट करते हो। बाप भी रिपीट करते हैं ना - ऐसे समझाओ, पैगाम दो। नहीं तो राजधानी कैसे स्थापन होगी? यहाँ बैठ जाने से नहीं होगा। हाँ, घर में बैठने वाले भी चाहिए। वह तो ड्रामा अनुसार बैठे हैं। यज्ञ की सम्भाल करने वाले भी चाहिए।
“The Father has now explained to You Children, and You then repeat it. The Father also repeats - explain in this way (to others), give the message (to others). How else would the Kingdom be established? It cannot happen by your simply sitting down here. Yes, those who sit at home are also required. They are sitting here, according to Drama. Those who look after the Yagya are also needed.

Although some Children are also needed to sit in one place, in order to take care of the Yagya; unless many Children go out to explain and give the Godly message to others, the Kingdom of Heaven cannot be established.


तुम आगे चल देखते रहेंगे क्या-क्या होता है। उनके पास कितना सोना, कितनी चांदी, नोट आदि हैं, वह सब बजट निकलता है; एनाउन्स करते हैं इतना बजट है तो इतना खर्चा है। बारूद पर कितना खर्चा है। अभी बारूद पर इतना खर्चा करते हैं। उससे आमदनी तो कुछ है नहीं। यह रखने की चीज़ तो है नहीं। रखने का होता है सोना और चांदी। दुनिया गोल्डन एजेड है, तो सोने के सिक्के होते हैं। सिलवर एज में चांदी है। वहाँ तो अपार धन होता है, फिर कम होते-होते अभी देखो क्या निकला है! काग़ज़ के नोट! विलायत में भी काग़ज़ के निकले हैं। काग़ज़ तो काम की चीज़ नहीं।
“As You progress further, You will continue to see what all takes place. Those people make a budget on how much gold, how much silver and money they have. They announce that their budget is so much, and that their expenditure is so much. They have so much expenditure on armaments. They spend so much on armaments now, but they do not have any income from that. Those are not things to be kept. It is just gold and silver which would be kept. When the World is Golden Aged, they have gold coins. In the Silver Age, they have silver. There was limitless wealth there; then, as it decreased, look what they have made now. ‘Paper notes’! Abroad, too, they have paper money. Paper is of no use.”


तुम जानते हो बाकी थोड़ा समय है। स्वर्ग का तो कोई को पता ही नहीं। इस समय तो सब तरफ मारामारी चल रही है, फिर उन्हों को एरोप्लेन्स अथवा लश्कर आदि की दरकार नहीं रहेगी। यह सब खलास हो जायेंगे। बाकी थोड़े मनुष्य रहेंगे। यह बत्तियां, एरोप्लेन आदि रहेंगे, परन्तु दुनिया कितनी छोटी रहेगी, भारत ही रहेगा। जैसे मॉडल छोटा बनाते हैं ना। और कोई की भी बुद्धि में नहीं होगा कि मौत आखरीन कैसे आना है। तुम तो जानते हो मौत सामने खड़ा है। वह कहते हैं, हम यहाँ बैठे ही बाम्ब्स छोड़ेंगे। जहाँ गिरेगा सब खत्म हो जायेंगे। कोई लश्कर आदि की दरकार नहीं है। एक-एक एरोप्लेन भी करोड़ों खर्चा खा जाता है। कितना सोना सबके पास रहता है। टन्स के टन्स सोना है, वह सब समुद्र में चला जायेगा।
“You know that there is only a little time left. No one knows about Heaven. At this time, there is fighting everywhere. Later (at the end), they will not need (war) airplanes or armies, etc. All of that is to be destroyed. Only a few human beings will remain. These lights, (commercial) airplanes, etc., will remain; but only a small World will remain. Only Bharat will remain, just like the small models people make. It would not be in the intellect of anyone how death will finally come. You know that death is standing just ahead. Those people say that they will release bombs from where they are sitting, and that everything will be destroyed wherever they drop. There will be no need for armies, etc. Even one (war) airplane costs tens of millions. Everyone has so much gold. They have tons and tons of gold, which will all go into the ocean.

All the gold, etc., abroad, will go into the ocean, during destruction; while the turbulence, of the earth’s tectonic plates, caused by natural calamities on a world scale, will bring the gold, silver, precious stones, etc., to the surface in Bharat – so that gold, etc., will be available in ample abundance during Golden Age, with which the palaces and mansions will be built!

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Post by Golden Heart » 06 Jul 2019

"PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 06.07.2019"
Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
अपने को आत्मा समझो, अपने को शरीर क्यों समझते हो? शरीर समझने से फिर ज्ञान उठा नहीं सकते। यह भी भावी। तुम समझते हो हम रावणराज्य में थे, अब रामराज्य में जाने के लिए पुरूषार्थ कर रहे हैं। अभी हम पुरूषोत्तम संगमयुग वासी हैं। भल गृहस्थ में रहो। इतने सब यहाँ कहाँ रहेंगे? ब्राह्मण बनकर सब यहाँ ब्रह्मा के पास भी नहीं रह सकते हैं। रहना भी अपने घर में है, और बुद्धि से समझना है - हम शूद्र नहीं, हम ब्राह्मण हैं। ब्राह्मणों की चोटी कितनी छोटी है। तो गृहस्थ में रहते, शरीर निर्वाह लिए धन्धा आदि करते, सिर्फ बाप को याद करो।
Consider yourselves to be souls. Why do You consider yourselves to be bodies? You will not be able to take up Knowledge by considering yourself to be a body. This too is predestined. You understand that You were in the ‘kingdom of Ravan’, and that You are now making effort to go to the ‘Kingdom of RAMA’. You are now residents of the most auspicious Confluence Age. By all means, live within the house-hold. How could so many stay here? Not everyone who becomes a Brahmin can stay here (in Madhuban) with Brahma (soul of DLR). You have to stay in your own homes, and understand in your intellects that You are not ‘shudras’, but Brahmins. The top-knot of You Brahmins is very small. Therefore, whilst living within the house-hold, and whilst working to earn your livelihood, You simply have to Remember the Father.

The Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita) can be understood and imbibed ONLY AS MUCH AS body-consciousness is removed and soul-consciousness is developed - by ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE!

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