शिवबाबा ही, ब्रह्मा तन में बैठ समझाते हैं। तो ब्रह्मा तन को भी याद करना पड़े ना? अगर बच्चे दूर जाते हैं, समझो, तुम अपने नगरों में जायेंगे, तो तुम्हारा जो बेहद का बाप है, साजन भी है, उनको चिट्ठी तो लिखनी चाहिए ना। शिवबाबा को लिखना पड़े, थ्रू ब्रह्मा। ब्रह्मा के सिवाए तो शिवबाबा सुन न सकें। शिवबाबा, थ्रू ब्रह्मा याद करना पड़े ना। कई ऐसे भी बच्चे हैं, जो समझते हैं कि हम तो शिवबाबा को याद करते रहते हैं। साकार से कोई कनेक्शन नहीं, परन्तु जबकि शिवबाबा यहाँ हैं, तो जरूर बाबा को पत्र लिखना पड़े, समाचार देना पड़े – शिवबाबा, थ्रू ब्रह्मा।PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 31.07.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969 – DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
“ShivBaba, Himself, sits in the body of Brahma and explains. Therefore, You would also have to remember the body of Brahma, is it not? If Children go far away, for instance, if You go back to your home town, You should write a letter to your Unlimited Father, who is also your Bride-Groom. You have to write to ShivBaba, THROUGH Brahma. ShivBaba cannot hear without Brahma. You have to Remember ShivBaba, THROUGH Brahma. There are also some children, who think that they continue to Remember ShivBaba, and that they have NO CONNECTION with the corporeal (form of Brahma). Nevertheless, since ShivBaba is here, You would definitely have to write a letter to Baba, and give your news to ShivBaba, THROUGH Brahma.”
The above Version refers EXCLUSIVELY to the corporeal body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, PRIOR 1969 – when the CONCERNED Righteous Children were STILL trapped in body-consciousness to a RELATIVELY HIGH degree, and hence they were INITIALLY advised by Shiva to AT LEAST endeavour to Remember Him, THROUGH the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, at THAT TIME – since they had STILL NOT developed soul-consciousness to a SUFFICIENTLY HIGH degree to be ABLE to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE - as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves ALSO as souls – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy.
Such Versions have THEN been HIJACKED by the ‘Defamer Of God’ – AFTER 1969 - to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that same pertain to him – being THEIR ‘Prajapita Brahma’ – but who is ACTUALLY the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!
गाया जाता है, ‘विनाश काले विपरीत बुद्धि, और विनाश काले प्रीत बुद्धि’ - किसके साथ? शिवबाबा के साथ, ब्रह्मा द्वारा। ऐसे भी मंद बुद्धि हैं, जो कहते हैं - हम तो शिवबाबा को ही याद करते हैं। शिवबाबा कहते हैं ना, मुझे याद करने से तुम्हारा बेड़ा पार हो जायेगा। परन्तु वह है कहाँ? जरूर यहाँ इस तन में हैं, इस द्वारा पढ़ाते हैं। निराकार को तुम चिट्ठी कैसे लिखेंगे? ... अब, आत्मायें परमात्मा के साथ मिलती हैं, उनको पत्र लिखती हैं। निराकार परमपिता परमात्मा के साथ बात करती हैं। तो थ्रू ब्रहमा, उनसे कनेक्शन रखना पड़े। ब्रह्मा द्वारा चिट्ठी लिखें, तब शिवबाबा समझे बरोबर याद करते हैं।
“It is sung that ‘there are those who have loving intellects at the time of destruction, and there are those who have no love in their intellects at the time of destruction’ - with whom? With ShivBaba, THROUGH Brahma. There are also some who have such foolish intellects, who say that they Remember ONLY ShivBaba. ShivBaba does say that by Remembering Him your Boat will go across; but where is He? He is definitely here in THIS body (of Brahma Baba). He is TEACHING THROUGH THIS one (corporeal body of the soul of DLR). How would You write a letter to the Incorporeal One? ... Souls now meet the Supreme Soul, and so they write letters to Him. They speak with the Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva). Therefore, they have to stay in connection with Him, THROUGH Brahma. Only when You write a letter (to ShivBaba) THROUGH Brahma (soul of DLR), would ShivBaba understand that You are truly Remembering Him.”
The above Version CLEARLY refers EXCLUSIVELY to the corporeal body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, PRIOR 1969.
Such Versions are THEN HIJACKED by the ‘Defamer Of God’ – AFTER 1969 - to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that same pertain to him – being THEIR ‘Prajapita Brahma’ – but who is ACTUALLY the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!
श्रीमत जरूर लेनी पड़े। कहते हैं कि शिवबाबा को याद करते हैं। परन्तु साकार ब्रह्मा के सिवाए तो राय मिल न सके। अच्छे-अच्छे, फर्स्टक्लास बच्चे लिखते हैं कि हमारा योग शिवबाबा से है, हम उनको मदद करते रहेंगे। फिर भी थ्रू ब्रह्मा बाप बिगर, दादे का वर्सा तो ले नहीं सकते हो। कदम-कदम पर राय लेनी पड़े। ऐसे-ऐसे बाबा के पास समाचार आते हैं। रूठ जाते हैं, ब्रह्मा से, वा ब्राह्मणी से। फिर माया एकदम मुँह फेर देती है। समझना चाहिए कि कदम-कदम पर हमको शिवबाबा से श्रीमत लेनी है - बाबा इस हालत में क्या करना चाहिए?
“You definitely have to take ‘Shrimat’. Some say that they are Remembering ShivBaba - but they CANNOT receive advice without corporeal Brahma. Very good, first-class Children write that their Yoga is with ShivBaba, and that they will continue to help Him. However, You cannot claim your inheritance from the Grand-Father (Shiva), EXCEPT THROUGH Father Brahma (soul of DLR). You have to take advice at every step. Such news comes to Baba. They sulk with Brahma, or their Brahmin teacher, and THEN Maya completely turns their faces away. You should understand that You have to take Shrimat from ShivBaba at every step, and ask Baba what You should do under those circumstances.”
The above Version CLEARLY refers EXCLUSIVELY to the corporeal body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, PRIOR 1969.
Such Versions are THEN HIJACKED by the ‘Defamer Of God’ – AFTER 1969 - to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that same pertain to him - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!
बच्चों को बाबा सावधानी देते रहते हैं कि कोई भी बात में संशय उठ पड़े, तो भी कम से कम इनसे तो कनेक्शन रखना पड़े। शिवबाबा की मत भी तो इनसे मिलती है ना? बाबा ने समझाया - अकालमूर्त का यह रथ, अथवा तख्त, ख़ास मुकरर है। बाबा कहते हैं - मैं इनके रथ, अथवा तख्त, का आधार लेता हूँ। बाकी मैं किसी में भी कभी भी प्रवेश कर अपनी सर्विस कर लेता हूँ।
“Baba continues to caution You Children: Even if You have doubt about any aspect, at least stay in connection with this one (Brahma Baba). You receive directions from ShivBaba, THROUGH this one, is it not? Baba has explained: THIS Chariot, that is, this Throne, has ESPECIALLY been FIXED for the Immortal Image (of Shiva). (Shiv)Baba says: I take the support of this one’s Chariot, that is, his Throne. Otherwise, I enter ANYONE at ANY TIME and get My Service done.”
The above Version CLEARLY refers EXCLUSIVELY to the corporeal body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, PRIOR 1969.
The Righteous/Worthy Children, or TRUE Brahmins, CONTINUE to receive directions, DIRECTLY from the Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, AFTER 1969 – using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED – and ALSO receive the SUBTLE clarifications of same, DIRECTLY, by way of ACCURATE TOUCHINGS, through the Third Eye of the Divine intellects of the Righteous Children, who have since ALSO DEVELOPED their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age!
बाबा ने यह रथ तो बहुत अनुभवी लिया है। था भी यह जवाहरात का व्यापारी। यह भी अविनाशी ज्ञान रत्नों का व्यापार है। कल्प-कल्प इस रथ में आऊं, तब तो कार्य करूँ। ब्रह्मा द्वारा ब्राह्मण रचेंगे ना। जैसे क्राइस्ट द्वारा, क्रिश्चियन रचे जाते हैं। राशि मिलती है ना। तो मुझे आना पड़े, ब्रह्मा के रथ में। इनके ही जन्मों की कहानी बैठ समझाता हूँ। पहला जन्म तो है, श्रीकृष्ण का। उनके ही बहुत जन्मों के अन्त के जन्म में आता हूँ। यह एक्यूरेट बताता हूँ। कोई पूछे, तो बोलो - पहले तो ब्रह्मा जरूर चाहिए, तब तो उन द्वारा ब्राह्मण रचें। व्यक्त प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा चाहिए। सूक्ष्मवतन में तो प्रजापिता होता नहीं है। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा यहाँ चाहिए ...
“Baba has taken a very EXPERIENCED Chariot. He was a jewel merchant. This is also a business of the imperishable Jewels of Knowledge. Only when I enter THIS Chariot every Cycle can I carry out this task. He creates Brahmins THROUGH Brahma, just as Christians are created through Christ. The names are matching (Brahma-Brahmins; Christ-Christians). Therefore, I have to enter the Chariot of Brahma (soul of DLR). I sit and tell You the story of only this one’s births. His (Brahma Baba’s) first birth is that of Shri Krishna. I come at the end of the last of ONLY his many births. I tell You this ACCURATELY. If anyone asks, tell them: Brahma is definitely needed FIRST, because ONLY THEN can Brahmins be created through him. Corporeal Brahma, ‘Father of Humanity’, (PrajaPita Brahma) is needed. There is NO ‘Father of Humanity’ (‘PrajaPita’) in the Subtle Region. Brahma, the ‘Father of Humanity’, (‘PrajaPita’) is needed here ...”
The above Version CLEARLY refers EXCLUSIVELY to the corporeal body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, PRIOR 1969 - WHEN corporeal Brahma, ‘Father of Humanity’ - who is REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - is HERE, on this corporeal sphere - and NOT in the Subtle Region - at THAT TIME!
The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God - carries out His tasks of World Purification & World Transformation, MAINLY THROUGH His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age - using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED!
Corporeal PrajaPita Brahma is NOT required in the Subtle Region, since there are NO CORPOREAL subjects there! PrajaPita Brahma is required HERE, on this corporeal sphere, where the CONCERNED Brahmin Children are STILL trapped in body-consciousness within their corporeal bodies – in order to gradually FREE them from SUCH body-consciousness, and eventually enable them to REGAIN their ORIGINAL state of soul-consciousness! Therefore, REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev has to be HERE, on this corporeal sphere, within his impure corporeal body, UNTIL 1969, when he achieves his ‘sampurna karmateet avastha’ or COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE – AFTER which he CONTINUES with the tasks of World Purification & World Transformation – HERE, on this corporeal sphere – through his SUBTLE ANGELIC FORM, in ‘Avyakt’ – ALONG with REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, COMBINED TOGETHER with Him, as BapDada – through the respective corporeal bodies of relevant instrumental embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere – and NOT in the Subtle Region! The VERY SAME soul of DLR, who is corporeal PrajaPita Brahma, HERE, on this corporeal sphere, UNTIL 1969, THEN becomes ‘Avyakt’, in 1969, and CONTINUES operating ON THIS CORPOREAL SPHERE, ALONG with ShivBaba, as BapDada - WHENEVER SO REQUIRED - since it takes them LESS THAN ONE SECOND to travel TO and FROM, EITHER the Subtle Region, or the Soul World!
View VARIOUS PREVIOUS posts, in this topic, for FURTHER EXTENSIVE clarifications on this SPECIFIC aspect of Spirituality!
(ब्रह्मा) बाबा तो अनुभवी है। (शिवबाबा) कहते भी हैं कि मैं वृद्ध तन में आता हूँ, कृष्ण का तो वृद्ध तन नहीं है। कृष्ण पतित थोड़ेही है। कहते हैं कि ‘पतित-पावन आओ’, तो पतित दुनिया, पतित शरीर में आना पड़े।
“(Brahma) Baba is experienced. (Shiv)Baba also says: I enter an old body. The body of Krishna is not old. Krishna is NOT impure. They say: ‘O Purifier, come’! Therefore, He has to come to the impure World, into an impure body.”
REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God has to enter the old, MOST EXPERIENCED, IMPURE corporeal body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev – as His ‘mukrar-rath’ - on this corporeal sphere, UNTIL 1969 – in order to carry out the tasks of World Purification & World Transformation – AFTER which, He continues with these tasks, on this corporeal sphere, ALONG with Brahma Baba through his subtle body, in ‘Avyakt’ – COMBINED TOGETHER with Brahma Baba, as BapDada - through the respective corporeal bodies of relevant instrumental embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere – and NOT in the Subtle Region!
There is NO NEED for Incorporeal God Father Shiva to enter the PURE corporeal body of the Child - Shri Krishna of the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age – (who is the VERY SAME soul of Brahma Baba of Confluence Age) – FIRSTLY, since Shri Krishna is ONLY a SMALL Child THERE, at THAT TIME; and SECONDLY, since EVERYONE THERE is ALREADY PURE, having ALREADY ACHIEVED the REWARD, or FRUIT, of their Spiritual efforts made by them, during Confluence Age!
माया ऐसी है जो अच्छे-अच्छे, फर्स्टक्लास का भी कान पकड़ लेती है। ब्राह्मणी से, या ब्रह्मा से नाराज़ हुआ, संशय पड़ा, यह गया। माया मुँह फेर देती है। प्रीत बुद्धि से, विपरीत बुद्धि बन पड़ते हैं। फिर शिवबाबा से पढ़ना छोड़ देते हैं। कोई पढ़ते हैं, परन्तु पूरी धारणा नहीं होती, तो बाबा कहते हैं, हर्जा नहीं। सिर्फ दो बातें मजबूत कर लो। बाबा को याद करना है। अभी तुम्हारी बुद्धि यहाँ और वहाँ (परमधाम, घर में) रहनी चाहिए। ...
बाबा कहते हैं कि चुप रहो, सिर्फ याद करते रहो। तुम जानते हो कि बाबा ऊपर में भी है, यहाँ भी है। हमको बाबा के पास जाना है। अभी तुमको समझ है, बाबा इस शरीर में आया हुआ है।
“Maya is such that she pulls the ears of even very good, first-class Children. Then they become upset with a Brahmin teacher, or with Brahma, and develop doubts, and leave. Maya turns their faces away. From having loving intellects, they become those with no love in their intellects. Then they stop Studying from (REAL) ShivBaba. Some Study, but they are unable to imbibe (Knowledge) COMPLETELY. Therefore, Baba says: It doesn’t matter. Simply make two aspects firm. You have to Remember Baba. Your intellects should now be here, as well as THERE (Supreme Abode, in the Home). ...
Baba says: Remain silent and simply continue to Remember Me. You know Baba is ALSO UP THERE, and is also here. We have to return to Baba. You now understand that Baba has come in THIS body (of Brahma Baba).”
The above Version refers EXCLUSIVELY to the corporeal body of ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, PRIOR 1969 – when the CONCERNED Righteous Children were STILL trapped in body-consciousness to a RELATIVELY HIGH degree, and hence they were INITIALLY advised by Shiva to Remember Him, THROUGH the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, at THAT TIME – and ALSO endeavour to Remember Him UP ABOVE, in the Supreme Abode, or the Soul World, which is the TRUE Home of ALL individual souls – since they had STILL NOT developed soul-consciousness to a SUFFICIENTLY HIGH degree to be ABLE to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE - as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves ALSO as souls – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy – to be ABLE to Remember Him ONLY in the Supreme Abode, or the Soul World – which is the FINAL STAGE of ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance, which ENABLES souls who are body-conscious, to DEVELOP COMPLETE soul-consciousness.