Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by shivsena » 11 Jun 2015

arjun wrote: However much service he may do through the subtle body, but the memorials are made only about the actions performed through the corporeal body in the Confluence Age. In the Confluence Age Dada Lekhraj is performing his task only by entering in Shankar's body after 1969. Hence his memorial is formed in the form of a crescent on the head of Shankar.
The above statement is the greatest lie which shaitan-Virendra Dev Dixit(Father of all lies) and his followers are preaching, that the crescent moon is the memorial of Brahma-Krishna on Shankar's forehead....this has never been said in any Bhakti-scripture or by any Bhakti-marg-scholar....this is just a fabrication of -Virendra Dev Dixit's shaitani intellect to prove that he is Shankar.

Whatever Bhakti-scriptures i have read on the internet says that the crescent moon on Shankar's forehead represents the mind which is under full control of Master Shankar(108) and does not represent Krishna-brahma in any way.....can any PBK produce any Bhakti-marg evidence or any Murli-Vani point which says that Krishna enters Shankar after 1969.

All PBKs are requested to search the internet about the significance of Shankar's alankars and find out the truth themselves.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by khemkaran » 11 Jun 2015

Om Shanti, Arjun Bhai,
arjun wrote: Just wait and watch.
This is not an answer, in any proper manner. Your answer shows that you feel you do not need to churn the Knowledge, and do not care to discuss the Knowledge, and you do not want to IMPROVE the feelings of PBKs among yourselves, and among others as well? Your answer also CLEARLY shows that you are under the weight of the yoke of Knowledge spoon-fed to you by Baba Virendra Dev Dixit only, nothing more! How are you going to play the role of establishment of the New World, (as you are claiming), in this manner, my dear brother?

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by arjun » 11 Jun 2015

khemkaran wrote:This is not an answer, in any proper manner.
This was the only answer that I could give as I cannot make any claim about the future. I only have faith that Shiv will be revealed through Shankar to the world.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by karan » 12 Jun 2015

Hence his memorial is formed in the form of a crescent on the head of Shankar.
Memorial of Brahma (also Vishnu and Shankar) is the greatest one - as Subtle Region residents. Lokik people also believe Brahma is Subtle Region resident. Neither Murli points, nor lokik people, believe that crescent on head of Shankar is the memorial of Brahma.

SM 8-11-76(2):- Sookshmvatan may jo Brahma dikhaate hain, vah toh paavan hai. Sookshmvatan may Prajapita toh ho nahin saktaa. Baap samjhaate hain yah vyakt hai, yah jhaad may bhi pichaadi may khadaa hai. Yahaan bachchon sahit Yoga may baithay hain pavitr faristaa ban_ne liye. TOH SOOKSHMVATAN MAY BHI DIKHAANAA PADEY. YAHAAN BHI PRAJAPITA Brahma ZAROOR CHAAHIYE. Vah Avyakt, yah vyakt. Tum bhi faristaa ban_ne liye aaye ho na. Ismey hee manushy moonjhte hain. Kyonki yah hai bilkul nayaa gyaan. -11- [Prajapita, BHI]

= Brahma shown in Subtle Region is pure (symbolic, representative form). Prajapita cannot be in Subtle Region (when BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani plays his role in a corporeal body in this corporeal world, as an effort-maker).
Father explains - this one (Lekhraj Kirpalani) is vyakt (corporeal). This one is standing at the end/bottom in the (picture of) the Tree. He is seated with the children doing Yoga (effort-maker) to become an angel/farishta. So (Lekhraj Kirpalani in his FINAL subtle form) should also be shown in Subtle Region. Here also PPB is definitely required. This is vyakt (effort-maker Lekhraj Kirpalani, in corporeal form). That is Avyakt (symbolic, representative, COMPLETE form). You also have come to become an angel/farishta, is it not? In this point only people get confused. Because this is totally new knowledge.
Howevermuch service he may do through the subtle body, but the memorials are made only about the actions performed through the corporeal body in the Confluence Age.
Of course, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani had done even that also, and had completed that by 1969, which no one had been able to do so far. Murli points clearly say so.
But once Dada Lekhraj left his body, he no longer is eligible to hold that title.
In one way, YES. Now, he is Adi Dev (superform of Prajapita). The word Prajapita is impure (effort-maker stage), Adi Dev is pure (complete stage).

Suppose a person is studying 10th std(Raja Yoga), he will be called as 10th class pass (Prajapita). When he completes it and moves to Graduation, no one will call him as 10th class pass (Prajapita). People will call him as doctor, engineer, etc', (Adi Dev) and not as 10th pass (Prajapita). It would be an insult to call a doctor(Adi Dev) as 10th pass (Prajapita), even though he had definitely passed 10th std.

Avyakt Murli points clearly say B baba had passed, and has become karmateet.

That is why I think in Avyakt Murlis, the world Prajapita is not stressed much. Adi Dev Brahma is stressed more. Not sure, yet to churn more on the subject.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by arjun » 12 Jun 2015

karan wrote:In one way, YES. Now, he is Adi Dev (superform of Prajapita). The word Prajapita is impure (effort-maker stage), Adi Dev is pure (complete stage).
Brahma was/is neither Prajapita nor Adi Dev because it was not in his body that Shiv entered first of all. He did have visions. But neither did he understand those visions for a long time nor did Shiv enter in him first.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by fluffy bunny » 12 Jun 2015

Remembering that it actually took 20 years for Lekhraj Kirpalani to accept or acknowledge the concept of Bindi Shiva ... and for all those years he accepted praise as Prajapati God Brahma.

It is only sometime after 1955 that the name and concept of Shiva enters the BKWSU ... not 1936/7 as both the BKs/PBKs seem stuck on.

People really have to take that on board. 20 years of being God or rather "superior to god" as they said at the time !!! (They still considered the Brahmand as the infinite god).

20 odd years with no Shiva, folks.

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Whatever may have been the actual history of the Yagya in the very beginning, or the understanding that Shiva was not properly comprehended for up to 20 years from the very beginning, has absolutely no 'prominence' to souls who have 'recognized & realized' the role of God Shiva in the Confluence Age, and are involved in making concerted efforts towards perfection, number-wise!
However, these aspects definitely serve as a powerful deterrent to souls, who may have inadvertently come in contact with the Knowledge, specifically designed to keep them segregated and separate from those who are actually involved with the Knowledge, so that they would not pose undue hindrance, and be a source of constant nuisance to such souls.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by karan » 15 Jun 2015

arjun wrote:Brahma was/is neither Prajapita nor Adi Dev
Murli points go against this.
because it was not in his body that Shiv entered first of all. He did have visions. But neither did he understand those visions for a long time nor did Shiv enter in him first.
Of course, some documents make it difficult to prove God entered B baba in 1937. But, when we see the incidents mentioned in Murlis, it almost leaves no room to claim that ShivBaba entered in someone else
before B baba. - post No. 84- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ies#p11851

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by arjun » 15 Jun 2015

Karan Bhai, you are free to believe mbbhat.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by karan » 16 Jun 2015

arjun wrote:Karan Bhai, you are free to believe mbbhat.
It is not about believing mbbhat. It is about trying to understand truth by churning of Murli points in an unbiased way, neither inclining towards mbbhat or Virendra Dev Dixit.

It seems that you are able to see just mbbhat in those Murli points.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by Roy » 16 Jun 2015

karan wrote:It seems that you are able to see just mbbhat in those Murli points.
With mbbhat, i experience someone trying desperately not to see the truth in the Murlis... Personally, i wouldn't look to him for an unbiased view!

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by karan » 17 Jun 2015

It is entirely up to the so called 'Gyani tu atmas' or 'knowledgeable souls' whether they should go through the Murli points and fathom the imperishable jewels of Knowledge, or just stick to words of Mr Dixit, assuming that to be Advance Knowledge, without carrying out independent individual churning, [Mu Point:- Apni ghot toh nashaa chadhey - churn individually to enhance intoxication], or just keep on commenting about mbbhat.

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The purpose of churning The Knowledge is to enhance the potential of inculcation and increase the degree of PURITY!
BKWSU AV 06.01.1982 wrote: The basis of a MEETING between souls, i.e., the Children and the Father, is a PURE intellect.
The basis of all the confluence aged achievements is PURITY.
Instead of expending, diluting, dissipating and dispersing our energies in 'grappling with each others throats', or shunning each other when our misconceived or misappropriated notions do not match those of others, etc., (all of which reveal residual IMPURITY within us), we should FOCUS our energies on God, (to enhance the potential of inculcation and increase the degree of PURITY within our own selves), and on God's task (to assist God in the PURIFICATION of souls and elements)!

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The purpose of churning The Knowledge is to enhance the potential of inculcation and increase the degree of PURITY, in order to usher UNITY in DIVERSITY within HUMANITY!
BKWSU SM 02.05.1978 wrote: He is Father also and 'Dharmaraj' also. He observes the sins (of children). They abuse Me. There are very strict rules. But 'Bhasmasurs' don’t understand. 'Bhasmasurs' raise their hands to declare that they will wed Sri Lakshmi and commit such sins which cannot be described ... Father says “Be afraid of the punishment also”. Even murderers don’t get as much punishment as the punishment received by the children here.
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The purpose of churning The Knowledge is to enhance the potential of inculcation and increase the degree of PURITY, in order to usher UNITY in DIVERSITY within HUMANITY!
BKWSU SM 27.08.1964 wrote: "This Brahma who is visible('vyakt' or in 'Sakar'), who is now in night, then comes into day. NOW THIS ONE is impure, who is BECOMING PURE. That's why THIS Brahma is shown. Prajapita (Dada Lekhraj) has to be here....If we say what is this one's last birth (it will be said) he was Lekhraj or Lakhiraaj, but he cannot be (called) Prajapita (in his last birth, BEFORE ENTRY of ShivBaba - he becomes Prajapita ONLY AFTER ENTRY of ShivBaba, which is then considered to be the 84th birth). All of these who are called Baba-Mama (who are addressed as Father-Mother in lokik by their respective offspring), they cannot be called Prajapita."
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