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The FIXED 'Chariot' of S S S, in Confluence Age !

Post by Golden Heart » 05 Jun 2015

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PBKIVV Rev SM dated 28.05.2015 wrote: अपने को आत्मा समझें तो बाप के साथ भी बहुत प्यार रहे। अभी तुम जानते हो निराकार बाप इस रथ पर विराजमान है। यह निश्चय करते-करते भी फिर निश्चय टूट पड़ता है। तुम कहते भी हो हम आये हैं शिवबाबा के पास। जो इस भागीरथ प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा के तन में हैं, हम सभी आत्माओं का बाप एक शिवबाबा है, वह इस रथ में विराजमान है। यह बिल्कुल पक्का निश्चय चाहिए, इसमें ही माया संशय में लाती है।

When YOU consider yourselves to be SOULS, there can be a lot of LOVE for the Father (S S S). You NOW know that the incorporeal Father (S S S) is present in THIS ‘Chariot’ (‘soul’ of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – in ‘Sakar’ until 1969, and in ‘Akar’ to date). Even after your having this faith, IT BREAKS (particularly, this faith ‘BREAKS’, for ‘souls’ – the ‘Kaput’ or Unrighteous Children - who have not been able to develop an ‘Akari’ consciousness, after 1969, even to the slightest extent)! You say that YOU have come to ShivBaba (S S S) who is in the body of THIS LUCKY ‘Chariot’ of Prajapita Brahma (‘soul’ of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – in ‘Sakar’ until 1969, and in ‘Akar’ to date). The Father of all of us ‘souls’ is ONLY ONE ShivBaba, (‘ShivBaba’ refers only to ONE S S S, and NOT S S S, plus another bodily ‘being’, as implied by Ravan, through ‘maha-murkh’ V D D) and He is present in THIS ‘Chariot’ (‘soul’ of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – in ‘Sakar’ until 1969, and in ‘Akar’ to date the ‘Chariot’ or ‘soul’ has NOT CHANGED, after temporarily discarding the old ‘corporeal vehicle’ or ‘OUTER PHYSICAL BODY’only the STAGE of the ‘Chariot’ or ‘soul’ has changed from ‘Sakari’ to ‘Akari’ the ‘OUTER PHYSICAL BODY’ to the ‘INNER ASTRAL or SUBTLE BODY’view link below, for better understanding of the SEVEN DISTINCT ‘BODIES’ of ONE SINGLE ‘Chariot’ or ‘soul’)!
THIS FAITH HAS TO BE VERY FIRM! IT IS IN THIS that Maya brings doubt (to most PBKs, in particular – PARTICULARLY, after 1969, when ‘soul’ of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani becomes ‘Avyakt’ – since they are NOT ABLE to relate to, and take sustenance from S S S through the ‘soul’ of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani in his ‘Avyakt’ STAGE or ‘INNER ASTRAL or SUBTLE BODY’, owing to being TRAPPED in their own ‘Sakari’ or GROSS ‘body-conscious’ stage of ‘OUTER PHYSICAL BODY’ – due to which they are DELUSIVELY TRICKED by Ravan to take sustenance from ANOTHER ‘OUTER PHYSICAL BODY’ of ANOTHER ‘Chariot’ or ‘soul’ - the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, V D D - who DECEIVES and TRICKS them COMPLETELY, and ‘DIVORCES’ them from ‘TRUE’ GOD or S S S) !
View HERE - The 7 Chakras - Energy Vortexes of the Human Body !

The SEVEN ‘BODIES’ of a SINGULAR ‘Chariot’ or embodied ‘soul’:
1. PHYSICAL ‘BODY’
2. EMOTIONAL ‘BODY’
3. MENTAL ‘BODY’
4. ASTRAL or SUBTLE ‘BODY’
5. ETHERIC ‘BODY’
6. CELESTIAL ‘BODY’
7. KETHERIC ‘BODY’
After 1969, the ‘mukrar-rath’ or FIXED ‘Chariot’ of S S S, the ‘soul’ of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, 'TRANSCENDS' the 'GRAVITY' of the first THREE ‘BODIES’, and OPERATES through the next THREE ‘BODIES’, to CONTINUE to perform the INSTRUMENTAL functions of ‘BRAHMA’, ‘Vishnu’ and ‘Shankar’ on a ‘SUBTLE LEVEL’ – the re-Generation of new ‘Brahmin souls’, the Spiritual Sustenance of the re-Generated ‘Brahmin souls’, and the Destruction of Evil within the ‘Sanskars’ of re-Generated ‘Brahmin souls’, SIMULTANEOULSY !

From the above Version of the SM, and SEVERAL other Versions ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER in this thread, there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is the ‘REAL’ PRAJAPITA BRAHMA - the ‘mukrar-rath’ or FIXED ‘Chariot’ of S S S!
As highlighted above, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani has only temporarily discarded his old ‘corporeal vehicle’ or ‘OUTER PHYSICAL BODY’ - since the part of S S S in ‘Sakar’ was completed in 1969, when BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani became ‘Avyakt’ -
and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani will CONTINUE to perform or FULFILL the INSTRUMENTAL functions of ‘BRAHMA’, ‘Vishnu’ and ‘Shankar’ or the THREE SPECIFIC TASKS of GOD, on a ‘SUBTLE LEVEL’, UNTIL ALL souls reach their TRUE DESTINATION, including the soul of 'maha-murkh' V D D !

Can the ‘soldiers’ of ‘I S’, who are EVER-READY and WILLING to ‘BLOW THEMSELVES UP’ with ‘explosives’ in order to ‘destroy’ as many of the ‘enemy’ as possible - and who DELUSIVELY SACRIFICE themselves in this ‘FIRE’, under the ‘STUPOR’ of ‘DELUSION’ of ‘Shaitan’ – representing the ‘shooting’ enacted by ‘maha-murkh’ V D D and his EQUALLY ‘maha-murkh’, BLIND, gullible followers, in Confluence Agebe ever considered to be ‘HIGHEST ONES’except by ‘maha-murkh’ V D D and his EQUALLY ‘maha-murkh’, BLIND, gullible followers, with INVERTED INTELLECTS ???

‘Maha-murkh’ V D D and his EQUALLY ‘maha-murkh’, BLIND, gullible followers WOULD ALWAYS consider the 'TRUTH' being REVEALED EXPLICITLY herein to be their 'DEFAMATION', as ALREADY CLARIFIED several times earlier in this thread. Their CONVOLUTED and CORRUPTED beliefs are further COMPOUNDED and FORTIFIED by the ERRONEOUS belief that the GREATEST Defamer of God (DoG), ‘maha-murkh’ V D D, is the chief ‘Kalankidhar’, who ‘ABSORBS’ the ‘ABSOLUTE TRUTH’ being REVEALED EXPLICITLY herein, considered to be ‘GREATEST DEFAMATION’ by them ! ! !

What a PROFOUNDLY 'PERPLEXING', 'PUZZLING' & 'POLARIZING' DRAMA, INDEED ! ! !

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by karan » 05 Jun 2015

arjun wrote:How can BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani be mukarrar (permanent Chariot) when he left his body without fulfilling the task of God?
AV 21-1-69 (Pg 21 of the book) = "आप सोचते होंगे कि लोग पूछेंगे कि आपका ब्रह्मा बाबा 100 वर्ष से पहले ही चला गया । यह तो बहुत सहज प्रश्न है कोई मुश्किल नहीं । 100 के नजदीक ही तो आयु थी यह जो 100 वर्ष कहे हुए हैं यह गलत नहीं है । अगर कुछ रहा हुआ है तो आकार द्वारा पूरा करेंगे । 100 वर्ष ब्रह्मा की स्थापना का पार्ट है । वह तो 100 वर्ष पूरा होना ही है लेकिन बीच में ब्रह्मा के बाद ब्राह्मणों का जो पार्ट है वह अब चलना है । ब्रह्मा ने ब्राह्मण किसलिए रचे? क्या ब्रह्मा अपनी रचना को देखेंगे नहीं? क्या आपको अब काम पर जिम्मेवारी का ताज नहीं देंगे? तो सतयुग में देवता कैसे बनेंगे । यहाँ की जिम्मेवारी ही वहाँ की नींव डालती है । इसलिए जो भी आप बच्चों से प्रश्न करते हैं उन्हें यही उत्तर दो कि ब्रह्मा की स्थापना तो चलनी ही है । अभी बच्चों की पढ़ाई का समय बिल्कुल ही नजदीक है । यह तो हरेक मुरली में मम्मा के बाद ईशारा दिया है । क्या पेपर में तिथि तारीख बताया जाता है? जो पहले से ही बताया जाए उसको क्या पेपर कहेंगे? पेपर वह होता है जो अचानक होता है । किसके मन में जो होता है वह अचानक नहीं होता है । रिजल्ट में क्या देखा! पूरे पास नहीं हुए । कुछ न कुछ कमी एक-एक में देखी । फिर भी बहुत अच्छा । क्योंकि समय पुरुषार्थ का है । उस प्रमाण रिजल्ट अच्छी ही कहेंगे ।"

= You must be thinking that people will say that your Brahma has gone away in less than a 100 years. This is a very easy question; it's not difficult. His age was nearly a hundred. The fact that a hundred years have been mentioned (in scriptures) is not wrong. If there are any left, he will complete them in the angelic form. The part of establishment through Brahma is for a 100 years. Those 100 years have to be completed, but until then, after the part of physical Brahma, the part of the Brahmins has now to continue. ...
The time of the end of the children's study has come very close. This signal has been given to you in each Murli since Mama left. Is one given the date or moment of a paper beforehand? If you were told about this beforehand, would that be called a paper? A paper is that which takes place suddenly. ...

View HERE – English AV 21.01.1969

View HERE - Hindi AV 21.01.1969

Also post No. 117 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... raa#p12441

Both leave very less scope to claim BB is not permanent Chariot and God comes in Virendra Dev Dixit at Kampil.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by sita » 05 Jun 2015

If Brahma completes his part through subtle, then the Brahmins who emerge through the lotus mouth of Brahma must be also subtle. But brahmins are corporeal. Only through a corporeal Brahma can brahmins be created. Or else can we claim that someone has become brahmins after 69 without listening through the mouth of Brahma, without having a practical corporeal Father.

Here also comes the matter of what subtle means. Subtle is the stage of the soul, but the soul cannot live without a body. The subtle stage of the soul can be reached only through some corporeal body. One can reach it through effort in his own body, that is called subtle stage. But ghost who leave their bodies suddenly from untimely death also play their part through corporeal bodies. So the part of Brahma definitely continues, but through some corporeal body.

The role of Brahma Baba is called temporary, because there used to be other corporeal personalities who was instrumental before him.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by arjun » 05 Jun 2015

karan wrote:Both leave very less scope to claim BB is not permanent Chariot and God comes in Veerendra Dev Dixit at Kampil.
Part is played in the corporeal world and not in the Subtle Region. Even if he has to complete his part it should be through a corporeal body. As regards the part of subtle Brahma through Dadi Gulzar, it cannot be called a corporeal part because Gulzar Dadi's soul does not remain conscious of whatever is going on through her body when BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani enters in her body.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by khemkaran » 05 Jun 2015

sita wrote:If Brahma completes his part through subtle, then the Brahmins who emerge through the lotus mouth of Brahma must be also subtle. But Brahmins are corporeal. Only through a corporeal Brahma can Brahmins be created. Or else can we claim that someone has become Brahmins after 69 without listening through the mouth of Brahma, without having a practical corporeal Father.
Here also comes the matter of what subtle means. Subtle is the stage of the soul, but the soul cannot live without a body. The subtle stage of the soul can be reached only through some corporeal body. One can reach it through effort in his own body, that is called subtle stage. But ghost who leave their bodies suddenly from untimely death also play their part through corporeal bodies. So the part of Brahma definitely continues, but through some corporeal body.
The role of Brahma Baba is called temporary, because there used to be other corporeal personalities who was instrumental before him.
After entry of Shiv in the body of Brahma, in the beginning of the Yagya, Brahma was speaking with his family members, relatives and others. And they DID NOT ACCEPT the Knowledge spoken by Shiv through Brahma.
So, does it mean all the family members, relatives and other connected persons are also Brahmins?
Brahmins are NOT created by 'physical body' of Brahma. Brahmins are created by the ACCEPTANCE of the Knowledge from Shiv given through 'physical body' of Brahma.
Brahmins are NOT created by Lokik method. Brahmins are created by Alokik method, i.e. the ACCEPTANCE of the Knowledge from Shiv spoken through the mouth of the body of Brahma.
What is more important - ACCEPTANCE of the Knowledge from Shiv or mouth of Brahma?
Brahmins are created by the ACCEPTANCE of the Knowledge of Shiv spoken through Brahma.
Corporeal Brahma cannot create Brahmins without ACCEPTANCE of the Knowledge from Shiv.
Corporeal Brahma cannot create Brahmins without ANYBODY ACCEPTING the Knowledge from Shiv.
Therefore ACCEPTANCE of the Knowledge is more important than corporeal mouth!

'Subtle' ALSO means type of body, not just stage of the soul. We have corporeal & subtle bodies.
Depending on the stage of the Soul, the Soul can control the corporeal & subtle bodies.
Those who become Brahmins after 1969, are STILL LISTENING to and ACCEPTING the Knowledge from Shiv spoken through the corporeal mouth of Brahma, before 1969, and COMPLETELY ACCEPT Brahma to be their corporeal Alokik Father, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, WHATSOEVER; and they are STILL PRACTICALLY EXPERIENCING the Alokik Father, playing his role in Avyakt through the corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, till now!
If your physical Father, who had given you valuable knowledge and guidance, had left his physical body some years ago, how would you remember him thereafter? Would you remember him the way he looked like when he was in his previous physical body, and the valuable guidance given by him, or would you consider another soul with another physical body to be your Father, and follow his guidance, which COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS the guidance given to you from your REAL Father, and which is PROVED to be detrimental to you???
You may think about this for your OWN benefit!

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Re: 'NECTAR' of Knowledge versus 'Poison' of knowledge !

Post by fluffy bunny » 05 Jun 2015

Golden Heart wrote:... BLIND, gullible followers ...
What percentage gullible are BKs in comparison to how gullible PBKs are?

Am I wasting my time still attempting to have an actual conversation with Golden?

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by sita » 05 Jun 2015

Dear khemkaran,

I agree it is acceptance that matters. You could probably accept the matters of the Murli and call yourself a brahmin.

Valuable teachings were given through Brahma, but he was not the Supreme teacher someone also used to teach him. In this institution the soul of Krishna himself studies. He also used to listen to the Murlis. It is also said that we should not remember this Brahma. But it is also said that we naturally remember our teacher. So should we or should we not remember Brahma? Is he or is he not our teacher?

He is not our teacher. If some Murlis were narrated through him it was not he who narrated them, but the Supreme Father. Here we have Father teacher and Satguru in one. All of them has to be in corporeal, in one body. But none of these roles were played through Brahma Baba. We don't accept him as our Father, but as our mother. Mother can teach you some basic things, but if you study more you get real teacher. By basically removing the rust we learn directly from the Father. We have class transferred to such a class where we can remember our teacher in corporeal and consider him supreme.

The matter from the Murli about that even if your mother dies and we eat 'halwa' can apply to Om Radhe, but also to Brahma Baba himself.

I also agree that practical experience is needed for to have relationship, for to remember etc. People consider the part through Gulzar Dadi as supreme, so they keep photos and remember that. Both things are wrong, because for a relationship we need to be at equal stage. We cannot really go to Madhuban in our subtle bodies and study. But the Supreme Soul does not hate the impure world and comes in an ordinary impure body, so that we can have connection with him. It is wrong to propagate the role through Gulzar Dadi as Father, Teacher and Satguru. These roles were not played through Brahma Baba, nor are played through Avyakt BapDada. These are not to be remembered.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by karan » 06 Jun 2015

arjun wrote:Part is played in the corporeal world and not in the Subtle Region.
The argument goes against the Avyakt Murli point (put in the above link) which clearly says- if not in Sakar, it would be completed in aakaar/subtle.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by khemkaran » 06 Jun 2015

Sita, Om Shanti,
So should we or should we not remember Brahma? Is he or is he not our teacher?
Shiv comes to give the Knowledge of 'Behad' (UNLIMITED), and not 'Had' (LIMITED).
So, you should churn the Knowledge on the basis of 'Behad' (UNLIMITED), and not 'Had' (LIMITED);
WHEREAS, EVEN THOUGH, Virendra Dev Dixit KEEPS ON REPEATING, like a parrot, the point in SM, which says:
"The UNLIMITED Father, SPEAKS of UNLIMITED Matters, to the UNLIMITED Children", or
"The SPIRITUAL Father, SPEAKS of SPIRITUAL Matters, to the SPIRITUAL Children"!
YET, both he and his followers, CHANGE the LIMITED meanings into UNLIMITED meanings, and the UNLIMITED meanings into LIMITED meanings, as BEST suits them, in order to justify and propagate their CORRUPTED IDEOLOGY, just as a 'SNAKE' moves in a crooked fashion, JUST TO SURVIVE and PROTECT ITSELF!!!
It is NEVER advised in Murlis by Shiv that you should remember Brahma to incinerate your sins, or that Brahma is your 'ruhani' or Spiritual Teacher, although Brahma also continued to teach the Knowledge to others, in the absence of Shiv, just as Mama did, and other instrumental teachers did and still do; all of whom have been considered to be teachers by Shiv, but the ONLY ONE 'ruhani' or Spiritual UNLIMITED Teacher is Shiv ALONE!
Shiv has CLEARLY declared that He is the Father, Teacher and Satguru through Brahma!
So there is a DEFINITE need to 'beware from the EVIL Tempter' who claims that Shiv is now the Father, Teacher and Satguru through him!
Shiv has declared that he gave the COMPLETE Knowledge through Brahma, which enabled him to become COMPLETE ANGEL or 'farishta' in 1969, which is the PROOF of COMPLETE Knowledge being given by Shiv through Brahma! Thereafter only the REVISED COURSE is going on, and individual souls comprehend the deeper aspects of Knowledge, based on their own individual efforts, and 'touchings' received from Shiv, as their stage of ACTUAL REMEMBRANCE continues to increase, NUMBER-WISE!
SUPREME TEACHER was only Shiv, who taught Brahma through Brahma's own corporeal mouth, and NOT THROUGH SOME OTHER soul; Brahma, who is the soul of Satyugi Krishna, studied the Knowledge DIRECTLY from Shiv, spoken through his own mouth, and NOT through the mouth of SOME OTHER soul; and he listened to and read the recorded/written Murlis, which were spoken by Shiv through his OWN MOUTH, and revised them and taught them to others, before he became COMPLETE Avyakt ANGEL and achieved the KARMATEET STAGE in 1969! He is the FIRST ONE who could NATURALLY and PRACTICALLY REMEMBER the TRUE SPIRITUAL, UNLIMITED TEACHER Shiv, since Shiv spoke the COMPLETE Knowledge through his VERY OWN MOUTH, DIRECTLY!
Shiv has CLEARLY declared in so many Murlis and Vanis that Brahma is your Mother AS WELL AS Father! Those who cannot recognise and ACCEPT this FACT, are CLEARLY NOT Brahmins, but Shudras!
Also, how can you accept Brahma as your Mother, if you have NEVER heard the Knowledge DIRECTLY from his corporeal mouth of his physical body, since you are made to believe that the 'corporeal body' is EVERYTHING?
Can such understanding be considered to be free from LIES, meant to DECEIVE souls?
If you have not heard the Knowledge DIRECTLY from the corporeal mouth of Brahma, then according to your own FALSE understanding, you CANNOT have taken 'spiritual birth' through Brahma, and therefore you CANNOT consider yourself to be a Brahmin, is it not? Then what are YOU???
If you have heard your knowledge from the corporeal mouth of Virendra Dev Dixit, then Virendra Dev Dixit should be your ACTUAL Mother, is it not??? Then how does Brahma come into the picture, when he is NOT in the CORPOREAL with you now???

As mentioned earlier -
If your physical Father, who had given you valuable knowledge and guidance, had left his physical body some years ago, how would you remember him thereafter? Would you remember him the way he looked like when he was in his previous physical body, and the valuable guidance given by him, or would you consider another soul with another physical body to be your Father, and follow his guidance, which COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS the guidance given to you from your REAL Father, and which is PROVED to be detrimental to you???
Also, if you keep the photo of your physical Father, just to facilitate his remembrance and give his introduction to others who may not have met him when he was in his physical body, does it mean that you are WORSHIPING him??? The photo is kept ONLY to facilitate the REMEMBRANCE of his VIRTUES and the VALUABLE GUIDANCE provided by him, which are IMPERISHABLE, and which DO NOT PERISH with the physical body, and NOT TO WORSHIP the physical body, which has already disintegrated, and been eaten by worms and insects!
You may think about this AGAIN, for your VERY OWN benefit!

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by arjun » 06 Jun 2015

karan wrote:The argument goes against the Avyakt Murli point (put in the above link) which clearly says- if not in Sakar, it would be completed in aakaar/subtle.
The part of Brahma is completed through his subtle body, but by entering in the body of Shankar. Brahma (bari ma or senior mother or Gyan chandrama, the moon of knowledge) is depicted as the crescent on the head of Shankar.

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Post by shivsena » 07 Jun 2015

arjun wrote: The part of Brahma is completed through his subtle body, but by entering in the body of Shankar. Brahma (bari ma or senior mother or Gyan chandrama, the moon of knowledge) is depicted as the crescent on the head of Shankar.
Which Murli says that Brahma badi-Maa enters Rambap-Virendra Dev Dixit (alias Shankar) after 84 births ??

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by arjun » 07 Jun 2015

shivsena wrote:Which Murli says that Brahma badi-Maa enters Rambap-Virendra Dev Dixit (alias Shankar) after 84 births ??
The Avyakt Vani that karan Bhai has quoted is a proof in itself that Brahma completes his part of 100 years through someone because part cannot be played in the Subtle Region. And the pictures of the path of Bhakti support the fact that Brahma (mentioned as Gyan Chandrama in the Murlis) is depicted on the head of Shankar as the Moon.
khemkaran wrote:It is NEVER advised in Murlis by Shiv that you should remember Brahma to incinerate your sins, or that Brahma is your 'ruhani' or Spiritual Teacher, although Brahma also continued to teach The Knowledge to others, in the absence of Shiv, just as Mama did, and other instrumental teachers did and still do; all of whom have been considered to be teachers by Shiv, but the ONLY ONE 'ruhani' or Spiritual UNLIMITED Teacher is Shiv ALONE!
Shiv has CLEARLY declared that He is the Father, Teacher and Satguru through Brahma!
If Shiv has advised in the Murlis that we should not remember Brahma to burn our sins, then why did Brahma himself allow himself to be photographed with children and allow his personal photographs to be circulated? And if nothing is going to be achieved by remembering Brahma, then why do BKs display the pictures of Brahma, Mama, Dadis, Didis all over the BKWSU (Madhuban, Centers, Gitapathshalas, badges, rakhis, and everywhere)????

I could have uploaded photographs to prove the above, but the Admin of this forum has snatched that facility from me (probably under the advice of golden heart or under the fear of BKWSU) while he himself continues to upload photographs whenever he needs. This shows the level to which he has stooped under the influence of BKs and ex-PBKs.
khemkaran wrote:Shiv has declared that he gave the COMPLETE Knowledge through Brahma, which enabled him to become COMPLETE ANGEL or 'farishta' in 1969, which is the PROOF of COMPLETE Knowledge being given by Shiv through Brahma! Thereafter only the REVISED COURSE is going on, and individual souls comprehend the deeper aspects of Knowledge, based on their own individual efforts, and 'touchings' received from Shiv, as their stage of ACTUAL REMEMBRANCE continues to increase, NUMBER-WISE!
Had Brahma achieved the complete stage and had Shiv imparted the complete knowledge through Brahma, then so many parties would not have emerged. There are hundreds of references in Sakar Murlis where Baba says that these are matters to be understood, these are topics to be churned, these are topics to be clarified. But before He could clarify these topics Brahma left his body and these topics were left unclarified and were never clarified again through Gulzar Dadi (in the form of Avyakt Vanis). Nor is anyone allowed to put questions to Avyakt BapDada. So, the above statement is not correct. Even if Shiv gave complete knowledge through Brahma, it was neither understood completely by Brahma nor by the then or latter Brahmins. It is only through Shankar that these locked hairlocks get unlocked and the Ganges of knowledge emerges.
khemkaran wrote:SUPREME TEACHER was only Shiv, who taught Brahma through Brahma's own corporeal mouth, and NOT THROUGH SOME OTHER soul; Brahma, who is the soul of Satyugi Krishna, studied The Knowledge DIRECTLY from Shiv, spoken through his own mouth, and NOT through the mouth of SOME OTHER soul; and he listened to and read the recorded/written Murlis, which were spoken by Shiv through his OWN MOUTH, and revised them and taught them to others, before he became COMPLETE Avyakt ANGEL and achieved the KARMATEET STAGE in 1969! He is the FIRST ONE who could NATURALLY and PRACTICALLY REMEMBER the TRUE SPIRITUAL, UNLIMITED TEACHER Shiv, since Shiv spoke the COMPLETE Knowledge through his VERY OWN MOUTH, DIRECTLY!
Brahma achieved karmateet stage only basically only upto the level of primary knowledge narrated by Shiv through his body. Shiv has clearly said in the Murlis that nobody can achieve karmaateet stage till the end, till the war breaks out. One may spoil his head to any extent but cannot become karmaateet.

"कर्मातीत अवस्था हुई नहीं है, वह अन्त में होनी है।“ (रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक ०३.०४.०८, पृ. २ एवं ३)
"We have not achieved karmaateet stage. That is going to be achieved in the end.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 03.04.08, pg 2&3)

“जन्म-जन्मान्तर के पापों का बोझा जो सिर पर है, वह जलने में टाइम लगता है। कितने वर्ष हुए हैं तो भी कर्मातीत नहीं हुए हैं। कर्मातीत अवस्था जब आती है तब यज्ञ भी समाप्त होता है। यह बहुत बड़ा भारी यज्ञ है।“(रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक १३.१०.०८, पृ.२)
“The burden of sins of many births that we carry on our heads takes time to burn. So many years have passed; still, we haven't become karmaateet. When the karmaateet stage is achieved, then the Yagya also ends. This is a very big Yagya.”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 13.10.08, pg 2)
khemkaran wrote:Shiv has CLEARLY declared in so many Murlis and Vanis that Brahma is your Mother AS WELL AS Father! Those who cannot recognise and ACCEPT this FACT, are CLEARLY NOT Brahmins, but Shudras!
Also, how can you accept Brahma as your Mother, if you have NEVER heard The Knowledge DIRECTLY from his corporeal mouth of his physical body, since you are made to believe that the 'corporeal body' is EVERYTHING?
Can such understanding be considered to be free from LIES, meant to DECEIVE souls?
If you have not heard The Knowledge DIRECTLY from the corporeal mouth of Brahma, then according to your own FALSE understanding, you CANNOT have taken 'spiritual birth' through Brahma, and therefore you CANNOT consider yourself to be a Brahmin, is it not? Then what are YOU???
If you have heard your knowledge from the corporeal mouth of Veerendra Dev Dixit, then Veerendra Dev Dixit should be your ACTUAL Mother, is it not??? Then how does Brahma come into the picture, when he is NOT in the CORPOREAL with you now???
Dada Lekhraj Brahma was just a titleholder Brahma. Brahma can be many, but Prajapita Brahma is only one.
We never said that corporeal body is everything. We only said that the incorporeal Father Shiv can complete His task only when He enters in a corporeal body. But that does not mean that the corporeal body is supreme. It is the incorporeal Shiv who is supreme, but His supremacy is revealed to the world only when He enters in a corporeal body.

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NO DOUBT, S S S meets His Children through DG !

Post by Golden Heart » 07 Jun 2015

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,
PBKIVV AV dated 12.12.1979, Rev 07.06.2015 wrote: पार्टियों के साथ अव्यक्त बाप-दादा की पर्सनल मुलाकात : 2nd para
माताओं को देख करके बाप को भी खुशी होती है। जिन्हें दुनिया ने ना उम्मींदवार बनाया, बाप ने उन्हें ही सिर का ताज बना दिया। उन्होंने पुरानी जुत्ती समझा और बाप ने सिर का ताज बनाया तो कितनी खुशी होनी चाहिए।


BapDada meeting groups: 2nd para
Even the Father (S S S) is pleased TO SEE (through His ‘mukrar-rath’ BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, in Avyakt, through the instrumental corporeal medium of DG NO DOUBT that S S S meets His Children through DG) the ‘Mothers’. The ones the world made into those for whom there is no hope, the Father (S S S) made the CROWN ON THE HEAD (commemorated by the depiction of a female head on the tresses of ‘Shankar’, representing the present part of Shiv, being played through Avyakt BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, through the instrumental corporeal medium of DG). They (‘maha-murkh’ V D D and his BLIND, gullible followers) considered YOU to be ‘OLD SHOES’ and the Father (S S S) made YOU into the CROWN ON THE HEAD, and so how much happiness should there be?
As usual, ‘maha-murkh’ V D D, under the ACTIVE influence of Ravan or Maya, MISINTERPRETS the point in the SMs, which says : “ . . . when the previous wife (old 'shoe') dies (is no longer 'useful' to them or 'worn out'), they (the demons - 'duryodhan' & 'dushasan' - of Ravan Rajya) take another (new wife or new 'shoe', as best suits them) . . .”
OBVIOUSLY, this refers to ‘FILTHY LASCIVIOUS’ OCCURRENCES in C A and I A of Ravan Rajya, and has
NOTHING TO DO with G A and S A of RamRajya, where SUCH OCCURRENCES of this NATURE
DO NOT TAKE PLACE AT ALL!!!
But ‘maha-murkh’ V D D, under the ACTIVE influence of Ravan or Maya, has the ‘GALL’ to FILTHILY & SHAMELESSLY INSULT & DEFAME GOD, by INSINUATING that GOD is also CORRUPT like the DEMONS, and He too takes 'ANOTHER WIFE' (corporeal body of V D D or ‘Shankar’), when 'PREVIOUS WIFE' ‘dies’ (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani leaves his corporeal body in 1969)!
As a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of this CORRUPTED, MALEVOLENT INTERPRETATION, 'maha-murkh' V D D CONTINUED with his LICENTIOUS CONDUCT of PHYSICALLY COPULATING with most mothers and virgin kumaris, in ADDITION to CHANGING his CHIEF CONSORTS, ONE AFTER THE OTHER, in his PRACTICAL ACTIONS in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age, DECEPTIVELY TRICKING EACH ONE OF THEM, in turn, that EACH ONE of them was 'Jagadamba' ! ! !
(Please refer to earlier posts in this thread, below).

View HERE - Characteristics of the GodlyForm of Maya by Golden Heart » 18 Dec 2013

View HERE - Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 9 by Golden Heart » 29 Sep 2014
Sr PK or 'Prem Kantha' - who was earlier 'raped' by V D D, by DELUSIVELY TRICKING HER INTO SEXUAL INTERCOURSE on the FALSE PREMISE that she was Jagadamba, and who GULLIBLY BELIEVED the BLATANT LIE of V D D that her present corporeal body would be turned into 'kanchan kaya' or 'PURE BODY', by physically COPULATING with him, to FACILITATE REMEMBRANCE of this (FALSE) 'ShivBaba'; and who was earlier bed-ridden due to partial paralysis, on the verge of giving up her body, residing in Delhi - HAS SINCE LEFT HER CORPOREAL BODY, some time ago - to be EATEN by 'INSECTS & WORMS' (to use the 'term' of one of the PBK 'Duffers' on this forum)!
By DELUSIVELY 'believing' that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is 'dead' or is a 'ghost', their VERY OWN INTELLECTS have become 'DEAD' (or STONE-like) and they themselves have become 'GHOSTS' (or ZOMBIES), since their MINDS & INTELLECTS have been EATEN by 'INSECTS & WORMS' emerging from the 'faeces' or POISON of CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED, POLLUTED, INVERTED & Reversed Advance knowledge, GENERATED by their 'parlokik Father' Ravan or Maya, and PROPAGATED through the 'bogus mouth' or spiritual 'anus of the bull' - the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, their 'alokik mother' 'maha-murkh' V D D - a COMPLETE MORON & ZOMBIE, IN DEED ! ! !

View HERE - Classical Opposing Viewpoints – 13 by Golden Heart » 26 Oct 2014

This ONLY PROVES, BEYOND the SLIGTEST DOUBT, WHATSOEVER, HOW DEGRADED the INTELLECTS of ‘maha-murkh’ V D D and his BLIND, gullible folowers have become !!!

HAVE THE GREATEST POSSIBLE MERCY ON THEM !
FORGIVE THEM – FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SPEAK AND WHAT THEY DO ! ! !


THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by arjun » 08 Jun 2015

golden heart wrote:As usual, ‘maha-murkh’ V D D, under the ACTIVE influence of Ravan or Maya, MISINTERPRETS the point in the SMs, which says : “ . . . when the previous wife (old 'shoe') dies (is no longer 'useful' to them or 'worn out'), they (the demons - 'duryodhan' & 'dushasan' - of Ravan Rajya) take another (new wife or new 'shoe', as best suits them) . . .”
OBVIOUSLY, this refers to ‘FILTHY LASCIVIOUS’ OCCURRENCES in C A and I A of Ravan Rajya, and has
NOTHING TO DO with G A and S A of RamRajya, where SUCH OCCURRENCES of this NATURE
DO NOT TAKE PLACE AT ALL!!!
But ‘maha-murkh’ V D D, under the ACTIVE influence of Ravan or Maya, has the ‘GALL’ to FILTHILY & SHAMELESSLY INSULT & DEFAME GOD, by INSINUATING that GOD is also CORRUPT like the DEMONS, and He too takes 'ANOTHER WIFE' (corporeal body of V D D or ‘Shankar’), when 'PREVIOUS WIFE' ‘dies’ (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani leaves his corporeal body in 1969)!
It has already been clarified that Baba has mentioned about the temporary and the permanent Chariot. ShivBaba Himself says repeatedly in the Murlis that He performs His task through three personalities of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar. Does this render Him licentious or adulterous? Not at all. Shiv cannot complete His task through only one personality, so He performs His task through three personalities. BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is in reality not even the actual Brahma.
As a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of this CORRUPTED, MALEVOLENT INTERPRETATION, 'maha-murkh' V D D CONTINUED with his LICENTIOUS CONDUCT of PHYSICALLY COPULATING with most mothers and virgin Kumaris, in ADDITION to CHANGING his CHIEF CONSORTS, ONE AFTER THE OTHER, in his PRACTICAL ACTIONS in the 'shooting' period of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age DECEPTIVELY TRICKING EACH ONE OF THEM, in turn, that EACH ONE of them was 'Jagadamba' ! ! !
Jagdamba is only one. But whoever takes up the responsibility of the Yagya to whatever extent is remembered on the path of Bhakti as different shaktis. To see the spiritual relation between Shiv and shaktis as a licentious conduct is a great sin.
Sr PK or 'Prem Kantha' - who was earlier 'raped' by V D D, by DELUSIVELY TRICKING HER INTO SEXUAL INTERCOURSE on the FALSE PREMISE that she was Jagadamba, and who GULLIBLY BELIEVED the BLATANT LIE of V D D that her present corporeal body would be turned into 'kanchan kaya' or 'PURE BODY', by physically COPULATING with him, to FACILITATE REMEMBRANCE of this (FALSE) 'ShivBaba'; and who was earlier bed-ridden due to partial paralysis, on the verge of giving up her body, residing in Delhi - HAS SINCE LEFT HER CORPOREAL BODY, some time ago - to be EATEN by 'INSECTS & WORMS' (to use the 'term' of one of the PBK 'Duffers' on this forum)!
By DELUSIVELY 'believing' that BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani is 'dead' or is a 'ghost', their VERY OWN INTELLECTS have become 'DEAD' (or STONE-like) and they themselves have become 'GHOSTS' (or ZOMBIES), since their MINDS & INTELLECTS have been EATEN by 'INSECTS & WORMS' emerging from the 'faeces' or POISON of CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED, POLLUTED, INVERTED & Reversed Advance knowledge, GENERATED by their 'parlokik Father' Ravan or Maya, and PROPAGATED through the 'bogus mouth' or spiritual 'anus of the bull' - the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan, their 'alokik mother' 'maha-murkh' V D D - a COMPLETE MORON & ZOMBIE, IN DEED ! ! !
Whatever you may say about Sister Premkantha, but the fact was that she was supported financially and otherwise by some PBKs till her death. I have met her personally during her lifetime and also attended her funeral ceremony. She played her part in this birth and will get rebirth to give a fitting reply to members like golden heart.
By the way, thanks for showering so many gems of knowledge in your usual style with the active blessings of the Admin who as usual turns a blind eye to all your sins.

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Re: Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

Post by fluffy bunny » 08 Jun 2015

"Rape" is an incredible hard and specific word to use.

If she did so voluntarily, and there was no force involved, then it wasn't rape.

Virendra Dev Dixit was just copying what Lekhraj Kirpalani was like with the girls back in Karachi but the BKs have whitewashed their history to hide it.

I wish you would stop the nasty language and psychedelic publishing, GH. It does not help get your point across.

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