This topic is being commenced to segregate the posts, (with views of PBKs and BKs), from the topic "Murli points for churning and inculcation", so that ONLY posts with JUST the Murli points, (WITHOUT ANY VIEWS), will remain in that topic, (for perusal of all concerned), and any posts which contain views of PBKs and BKs have been moved into this topic, so that PBKs and BKs can present their corresponding views for each point of Knowledge highlighted in this topic henceforth.
'mbbhat' is requested to provide the views of BKs against all the PREVIOUS Murli points in all relevant posts in this topic, which have PBKs views, but which do not have corresponding views of BKs so far. This will enable the viewers to readily have access to BOTH the PBK and BK viewpoints in a more comprehensive manner for comparative study.
बाप कहते हैं मैं आता ही हूँ साधारण तन में। न बहुत गरीब , न बहुत साहुकार। (मु. 26.4.75 पृ. २ आदि)
I come only in an ordinary person’s body. Neither too poor nor too rich. [ Mu.26-4-73 Pg-2]
AIVV - PBK : We all know that DLR did not possess an ordinary body. He was well-built and had a king-like personality, which has also been described by BK Jagdish in his books. Also point to be noted is that he was very rich and wealthy. No doubt Shiv did enter in Brahma Baba but played a soft and patient role of a Mother. So Shiv played the role of mother through DLR, but through which personality does He play the part of God, the Father? So above Murli point is applicable to whom ?
PBKIVV or BKWSU - BK : This has adequately been addressed in the topic-
http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=40&t ... ody#p48787
ShivBaba is ACTUALLY REFERRING to the body of Brahma Baba or DLR as ORDINARY; and this is in comparison to BB's, or any other deity's, OWN ROYAL body of G A, and NOT to any other IMPURE or ORDINARY body of I A. DLR may have been well-built, with a king-like personality, but ShivBaba is STILL REFERRING to body of DLR as ORDINARY because his body at the end of I A is IMPURE, compared to his own body in G A, which is PURE and ROYAL. Also, DLR may have been wealthy, but such wealth CANNOT be considered to be "TOO RICH" from a proper 'unlimited' perspective; besides whatever wealth he accumulated, was as per Drama Plan, only to facilitate the process of him being the instrument or FIXED, APPOINTED, PERMANENT Chariot of God, to be able to sustain the selected children who were attracted to the Yagya in the very beginning. In any case, whatever wealth BB had, was instantly surrendered to God in the service of entire Humanity, thus CONFIRMING his role as the REAL Prajapita Brahma or Adam or Adi Dev. BB or soul of DLR played the roles of the Mother AS WELL as the Father, as confirmed by ShivBaba in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS in various SMs and AVs, while he was in 'Sakar'; and furthermore, he CONTINUES to play the role of both Mother as well as Father in 'akar' to date, FOR ALL THOSE RIGHTEOUS CHILDREN who have been FORTUNATE to develop their 'akari' consciousness, although still number-wise, WHO ARE PRACTICALLY CONTINUING TO RECEIVE SPIRITUAL SUSTENANCE FROM GOD THROUGH HIM TO DATE!
SO ABOVE Murli POINT IS ABSOLUTELY APPLICABLE TO PRAJAPITA BRAHMA, BRAHMA BABA or soul of DLR or soul of the first prince of G A, WITHOUT AN IOTA OF DOUBT WHATSOEVER - BUT ACCEPTED, AS SUCH, ONLY BY THE RIGHTEOUS CHILDREN; AND AS CLEARLY EVIDENT, NOT ACCEPTED, AS SUCH, BY THE UNRIGHTEOUS CHILDREN.
बाप कहते हैं मैं बहुत साधारण तन में आता हूँ इसलिए कोई विरला पहचानते हैं। मैं जो हूँ, जैसा हूँ, साथ में रहने वाले भी समझ नहीं सकते हैं। (मु.4.2.74 पृ. 3 अंत)
Father says, I come in a very ordinary body, that’s why hardly any people recognize Me. Those living close to Me also cannot recognize Me, as I am, what I am. [Mu 4-2-74 Pg-3]
AIVV - PBK : ब्रह्मा अथार्त् बड़ी माँ का तन तो असाधारण था = Body of Brahma or big Mother was not ordinary
PBKIVV or BKWSU - BK : http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... t=10#p4070 [post No. 19]
Body of Brahma Baba, was IN FACT, ORDINARY, AS CLEARLY EXPLAINED in the point above!
Viewers should also CLEARLY NOTE, how a PBK in the first point, above, records TWO MUTUALLY CONTRADICTORY statements, viz., -
1) "We all know that DLR did not possess an ordinary body."
2) "No doubt Shiv did enter in Brahma Baba but played a soft and patient role of a Mother."
PBKs use above points to treacherously propagate that body of DLR was NOT ORDINARY, (and hence they ASSUME or PRESUME that Shiv CANNOT enter body of DLR, ON THE ONE HAND).
Then they STILL ACCEPT that Shiv DID ENTER body of DLR, (to play the role of a Mother), which means Shiv CAN enter body of DLR, ON THE OTHER HAND (although they delusively believe that body of DLR is NOT ORDINARY)!
THIS CLEARLY PROVES THAT THE INTELLECT OF THE PBKs AND THEIR BODILY GURU IS DEFINITELY MUDDLED, SEGMENTED & FRAGMENTED - ONE ASPECT OF THE SAME MIND DOES NOT REALIZE WHAT THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE SAME MIND IS PROJECTING, AND THE INTELLECT IS UNABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO!