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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 15 Sep 2012

# Post No. 58- also see post No. 62

Example No. 17:- Are Radha and Krishna brother and sisters?
Roy soul wrote: "Actually, Radha-Krishna(of the Golden Age) are Prince-Princess. They are siblings. He(Krishna-Dada Lekhraj) cannot be called Radha's(Mama Saraswati's) husband. [Mu 10.12.72]
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The other version of the Murli point is given below.

SM 11-12-77(1):- Vah toh hadh kaa arthaath ghar-baar kaa sanyaas karte hain. Yah toh maat-pitaa hai na. maat-pitaa gharbaar kaise chudaavenge? Unka toh dharm hee nivruttimarg kaa hai. Jaise aur2 dharm hain, aary samaaji, radhaswami. Ab radhe ka swami koun hai? Yah koyi bhi nahin jaante hain. VAASTAV MAY RADHE KRISHN TO PRINCE PRINCESS HAIN. AAPAS MAY DONON BHAAYI BEHAN THAHREY. Unko Radha ka swami nahin kahenge. Jab Radhe ka swami bantaa hai, toh phir naam badalkar LN naam padegaa. Srinarayan swami hai Lakshmi kaa. Jab tak shaadi na ki hai, tab tak swami nahin kahenge. Yah samjhne ki baatein hai na. -148 [RK]

= ... Now, who is swami (lord or husband) of Radha? No one knows this. actually, Radha and Krishna are prince and princess. They are like brother and sister. He is not called as swami (husband) of Radha. When he becomes swami of Radha, then the name changes as LN. Sri Narayan is swami of Lakshmi. Till marriage is not done, he cannot be called as swami. ...


A note:- Here it is NOT said that they are brother and sisters. It is said- they are like...

So- then I went on this point- what does Baba mean by brother and sister- here, I felt that- "Baba uses the words brother sister for all relations in heaven, since in heaven , there is purity.". following Murli points made me to think so.
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1)SM 15-1-81(2):- Tumhaare may bhi numberwaar purushaarth anusaar hai. Tumhaari rudrmala bhi banti hai, rundmala bhi banti hai. Bachchon ko samjhaayaa hai yah saari mala hai. Ek rund mala, doosri hai rudrmala. VAH SAB HAI BROTHERS. VAH PHIR BROTHERS SISTERS. Yah to buddhi may aataa hai na. Hum aatmaayein bahut choti2 hain. Ekdum bindi hain. – 19- [mala, bhayi-Bhen]

=Among you also effort is numberwise. Your both rudrmala and rundmala get formed. It is explained to children that all these are(belong to) mala. One is rundmala, the other is rudrmala. That is of just brothers (means, one mala=rudrmala, all are brothers). That is then (of) brothers, sisters(in the other mala= rudmala= vishnumala, both brothers and sisters are there). ....

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 15 Sep 2012

# Post No. 59

Example No. 17:- Are Radha and Krishna brother and sisters or siblings?

2)SM 8-10-77(1):- Agar koyi kahe ki yah kahte hain ki stree purush bhaayi bahan hain- toh jo achchaa sensible bachchaa hogaa vah jhat kahegaa parmatma ke bachche to sab hai na. To bhayi2 hee thah_rey na. Prajapita Brahma ke bachche bhayi bahan ho gaye na. Bhayi bahan ban_na to achchaa hai na. Baap ke bachche banenge to Baap se varsaa le sakenge. Varsa milna hai ShivBaba se Brahma dwara. To Bkumar va Bkumari ban_na pade. Jab BKK bhayi bahan ho gaye to vikaar may jaa na sake. Nahin to criminal assault ho jaaye. Pavitr to ban_na pade na. Baba kitni achchi tarah se samjhate hain. PAVITR BAN_NE KI KITNI YUKTIYAAN BATAATE HAIN. Stree bhi kahe Baba, purush bhi kahe Baba to stree-purush kaa bhaan toot jaavegaa. Us avasthaa aane may bhi time lagtaa hai. ABHI JO MANSAA MAY SANKALP BHI AATE HAIN DHEERE2 VAH BHI BAND HO JAAVENGE. Kisee ko bhi samjhaa sakte ho ki Parmatma ke bachche bhaayi2 to hai hee. Aur phir kahte ho aadam beebi dwara srushti ki sthaapnaa huyi. To sabhi unki santhaan thahrey. TO BHAAYI BAHAN THA_REY NA. Kumar aur kumari ke lye itni mehnath nahin hai. -53 [bhaai-bahan, purity]

= ... they then say- The creation is through Adam and Eve. So- all are then their creation. So- they are like brother and sisters, is it not?

3)SM 1-1-81(3):- Tum bachche jante ho abhi humko koun padhaate hain? Baap padhaate hain. Krishn to deh_dhaari hai. So toh sab bhaayi2 hai na. Phir hai martabe ke oopar. YAH BHAAYI KA SHARIR HAI, YAH BAHAN KA SHARIR HAI. Yah bhi tum abhi jaante ho. Atma to ek chota saa sitaaraa hai. -2

= ... this is body of brother. this is body of sister...

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 15 Sep 2012

# Pst No. 60

4)SM 3-5-82(1):- Baap baith samjhaate hain ki jab tum kahte ho Bhagavaan Baap ek hai, to tum sab aapas may bhaayi2 ho gaye. PHIR SHARIR KE NAATHAY BHAAYI BAHAN THAH_REY. ShivBaba ke bachche, phir Prajapita Brahma ke bhi bachche thah_rey. Lowkik baap bhi paap karte hain. Guru bhi paap karte hain. BAAKI SIRF TEACHER PAAP NAHIN KARTE HAIN. Vah shiksha dete hain jis_se tumhaari hadh ki aamdani hoti hai. -1 [bhayi=Bhen, WOT] –vimp

= ....When you say , the god Father is one, you are like brother- brothers. When it is relation through body, it is brother- sister.....

5)SM 9-5-82(1):- Atma ke sambandh may sabhi brothers hain. Vah hai Baap. Kahte bhi hain hum sab aatmaayein bhaayi2 hain. Phir jab manushy srushti ki rachnaa rachi jati hai, TO BHAAYI- BAHAN HO JATE HAIN. Yah nayi rachnaa hai na. Peeche phir parivaar badhtaa hai. Kaakaa, chaachaa, maamaa sab peeche hote hain. Is samay Baap rachna rach rahe hain. Bachche aur bachchiyaan hain. DOOSRAA KOYI SAMBANDH NAHIN. Ab tum jeete ji bhaayi bahan ban jaate ho. Doosrey koyi sambandh se tailuk nahin hai. Abhi tumko naya janm mil gaya hai. Tum jaante ho hum abhi Ishwariy santaan hain. Shiv_vamshi bkkyaan hain. Bkkyon kaa aur koyi sambandh nahin. Is samay saari duniyaa patit hai. -8-

= As the spiritual relation, all are brothers. ...But, when there is creation of humans, it becomes brother- sister......

6)SM 3-9-81(1):- Om Shanti. Meethey2 ruhani bachche samajhte hain, sirf tum nahin parantu sabhi centres ke Brahma mukhvamshavali braahman sarvottam kul bhooshan jaante hain. Jo jis kul ke hote vo apne kul ko jante hain. Neech kulvaale vaa achche kulvaale ho, harek apne kul ko jaante hain aur samajhte hain ki iskaa kul achchaa hai. Kul kaho va jati kaho. Duniyaa may tum bachchon ke sivaaye aur koyi nahin jaante ki braahmanon kaa hee sarvottam kul hai. Aise koyi shaastron may gaayaa nahin hai. Tum jaante ho ki hum ishawriy santaan hain, unke bachche bhaayi2 hain. Pahlaa number kul kahenge tum braahmanon kaa. Braahman kul arthaath Ishwar ka kul. Pahle hai niraakaari kul. Phir aate hain sakari srushti may. Sookshmvatan may to kul hota nahin. Oonch te oonchaa Sakar may hain tum braahmanon kaa kul ATHVAA BHAAYI AUR BAHAN KAA. Bhaayi aur bahan hone ke kaaran vikaar may jaa nahin sakte. TUM ANUBHAV SE KAH SAKTE HO KI YAH PAVITR RAHNE KI BADI ACHCHI YUKTI HAI. Harek kahte hain hum BKK hain. Shiv vamshi to sabhi hain. Phir jab Baap Sakar may aate hain to Prajapita kaa NAAM HONE KE KAARAN BHAAYI BAHAN HO JAATE. PRAJAPITA BRAHMA TO ZAROOR RACHAITA HAI. Adopt karte hain. Tum kukhvamshavali(kv) nahin ho, mukhvamshavali(mv) ho. Vo to kv aur mv ka arth bhi nahin jaante. Yah bhi tum bachche samajh sakte ho mv arthaath adopt karte hain. Kv arthaat janm lete hain. -4 [prajapita, mvkv, bhayi-bahan, LM]

= The highest corporeal kul(caste) is of braahmins or that of brother and sister. There cannot be vice between a brother and sister. You can say by expereince that- this is very good yukti to remain pure. ... due to name of Prajapita, (all) become brother and sister. ...
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And I think- this could be the one main reason- why in the beginning - it was said - God Prajapati Brahma, so that if all are considered to be children of one person, then there can be brother sister relation and purity.

So- since initially- it was difficult to make the concept of point form of soul to sit in BKs, Baba might have projected Brahma Baba as Divine Father god Prajapati Brahma, so that ShivBaba can make the children to imbibe purity easily.
Also- this point- As children of Prajapita, you are brother and sisters, you cannot become vicious.- repeats many time in Murli.

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 15 Sep 2012

# Post No. 61

7)SM 23-9-81(1):- Atmaayein sabhi brothers hain. Sharir may aati hain to kahenge yah bhayi2 hain vaa bhayi bahan hain. Atmaayein to sabhi bhaayi2 hee hain. -36

= All the souls are brothers. When they come in body, then it is said- these are brother- brother (between males) or brother- sisters....

8)SM 6-2-82(1):- Tum jaante ho 500 karod bhaayi hain. SHARIR KE NAATHAY BHAYI BAHAN HAIN. -46

= you know there are 500 crore brothers. According to relation between body/ies, it is brother- sister.

9)SM 16-6-82(2):- Tum aatmaavon ko le jaanaa hai. SHARIR TO SABKEY KHATM HO JAAYENGE. ATMA KE NAATHAY SAB BHAAYI2 HAI. BROTHERS HAIN. PHIR SHARIR KE NAATHAY BHAAYI BAHAN HAIN. Bahut meethi2 baatein hain. -65- [old body, bhaayi- bahan]

= As per spiritual relation, all are brothers. Then due to body, brother-sisters. Very sweet2 points.

10)SM 14-3-78(2):- Vaastav may sab hain bhaayi2. LN SE LEKAR JO BHI MANUSHY MAATR HAIN SAB BHAAYI2 HAIN ATHVAA BHAAYI BAHAN HAIN. Kyonki Prajapita Brahma ke owlaad hain. Agar Shiv ki owlaad kahen toh vah nirakaar aatmaayein hain. Brahma ke bachche bahan bhaayi jismaani ho jaate. Parantu phir gruhasth vyavahaar may aane se bahan bhaayi kaa naam bhool jaate hain. Agar vah gyaan rahe toh phir vikaar may bhi na jaaye. Abhi phir Baap samjhaate hain tum vikaar may na jaavo. Tum ek Baap ke bachche bhaayi bahan ho. -45 [Prajapita, bhaayi-bahan]

= Actually, all are brothers. From LN, whoever humans are there, all are brother- brother or brother- sisters. Because all are children of Prajapita. ....

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 15 Sep 2012

# Post No. 62

11)SM 31-10-72(2):- Patitpavan to ek hi parampita parmatma hai jo punarjanm rahit hai. AUR Gita MAY NAAM DAAL DIYAA HAI KRISHN KA JO POOREY 84 JANM LETE HAIN. KITNAA FARK HO GAYA. LIKHAA HUVAA HAI KRISHN POOREY 84 JANM LETE HAIN. Phir Kaliyug anth may saavrey se gowraa bante hain. Krishpuri ko hee vishnupuri kaha jata hai. Krishn ki Rajadhaani apni, Radhe ki Raajdhaani apni. Phir unhon ki aapas may sagaayi hoti hai. Krishn aur Radhe koyi bhaayi aur bahan nahin thay. Bhaayi bahan ki shaadi kab hoti nahin. Yah baatein tumhaari buddhi may tapakti rahti hai. AAGE NAHIN JAANTHAY THAY. ABHI MAALOOM PADA HAI RADHE KRISHN DONON ALAG2 RAJADHAANI KE THAY. PHIR SAGAAYI HUYI. VAHI PHIR LN BANEY. SWARG KE PAHLEY MAHARAJA MAHARANI, SHAHJADEY, SHAJAADI. AKSHAR SE VAH BHAAYI BAHAN SAMAJH LETE HAIN. PRINCE PRINCESS RADHE KRISHN HEE GAAYE JAATE HAIN. Unhon ke Maa Baap ki itni mahimaa nahin hai jitnaa Radhe Krishn ka hai. Unhon ke Maa Baap ke to naam hee nahin. Kyon? Jinhoney janm diyaa vah to badey honey chaahiye na. Parantu nahin. Radhe Krishn sabhi se oonch hain. Unkey oopar koyi hai nahin. Yah kyon huvaa? Kyonki unhonke Maa Bap kum padhey huye hain. Isliye unhon kaa naam jaise ki hai nahin. Radhe Krishn pahley number may gaaye huye hain. First number maharaja maharani yah bane hain. Bhal janm Maa Baap se liyaa. Parantu naam inhon kaa hai. Yah buddhi may achchi reeti samajhnaa hai. Jab yahaan baith_te ho to yah swadarshan chakr phiraate raho. -175 [RK, Gita]

= Capital of Krishn and Radha are different. Then becomes engagement of them. Krishna and Radha were not brother and sister. Marriage never happens between a brother and sister. these points are touching (tapakthi) your mind now. You were not knowing this before. now, you know that, they were in different capitals. then there was By the words- shajaadaa and shahjadi (mostly prince and princess) , they think- they are brother and sisters. ...
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So- I think- without knowing the real meaning of the brother sister- PBKs might have come to the conclusion that- Radha and Krishna were brother and sister. Also see below:-

I think- in the later version of the Murli point , mostly that is in 1982, there was a small editing error - I think- The sentence bhaayi bahan tha_rey (= were like brother and sister) got changed as bhaayi bahan thay (were brother and sisters). This will open door fully = anyone can directly claim/say- they are really brother and sister.

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 15 Sep 2012

# Post No. 63

SM 3-2-89(2, 3):- Kalp jab pooraa hotaa hai, to khud hee aakar bataate hain ki main koun hun. MAIN KAISE INMEY PRAVESH KARTAA HUN. JIS_SEY TUM AAPE HEE SAMAJH JAATE HO. PAHLEY NAHEEN SAMAJHTE THAY. HAAN PARAMAATMAA KEE PRAVESHATAA HAI. PARANTU KAISE KAB HUYI, KUCH BHEE SAMAJHTE THOSE HEE THAY. DIN PRATIDIN TUMHAAREE BUDDHI MAY BAATEIN AATEE RAHATEE HAIN. NAYI2 BAATEIN TUM SUNTE RAHATE HO. AAGE THODE HEE DO BAAP KAA RAAZ SAMJHAATE THAY. AAGE TO JAISE BABIYAAN (BABIES) THEE. Abhee bhee bahut baby kahte hain. Baba, hum do din kaa aapkaa bachchaa hun, itney din kaa bachchaa hun. Samajhte hain jo kuch hotaa hai kalp pahale misal. Ismey badi knowledge hai. SAMAJHNE MAY BHEE SAMAY LAGTAA HAI. -45-, 46 [babies, entrance, gyaan]

= When it is end of the Kalpa, I myself come and explain who am I. How do I enter in this which you (now) understand by yourself. Before, you were not knowing. Yes, there is entrance of God. But how did it happen, when did it happen- nothing you were knowing. Day by day, in your intellect- points come. used to know. You hear new2 points. Before you were not taught the secret of two fathers. Before, you were like babies. .... There is huge knowledge in this. It takes time to learn

There is a Murli point- I do not have date now. - Pahley bhaayi2 kaa raaz nahin samjhaayaa thaa. Sirf Bhaayi bahan kaa raaz samjhaaya thaa. = Initially, the secret of brother- brother was not taught. Just that of brother- sister was taught.

So- there is no surprise in projecting Brahma as God and then later introducing Shiva, since beginning- that was not digestible to the children.

The food also changes as a child grows. Initially, just liquids are given. then semisolids, then solid and so on.
There is a saying in lowkik world-
One of the wisdom of spirituality is that once you've "reached" or "realized" or become "enlightened" then you don't need to take support of the concept. A concept is merely an idea to move you forward.
So- those who stick to facts and figures, date and time of few incidents, for them what can be said?

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Just as interest- regarding - brother sister-

SM 2-4-78(1):- GYAAN AUR Yoga DONON BHAAYI BAHAN HAIN. -70-

= Knowledge and Remembrance are brother and sisters.
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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 16 Sep 2012

Post No. 64

Example- No. 19 :- What does Baba mean by ordinary Chariot?


Some feel Chariot of Brahma Baba is not ordinary. He was rich enough. PBKs say- VD is ordinary and not BBaba. But, i think- Baba says-

1)he is not a diety like Krishna, but impure body,, and

2)Even in this world, he is not like a guru, King or multi millionaire like.


SM 13-4-79(2):- Tum kitna bhi samjhaavo, parantu unhon ko samajhna bada mushkil hai. Phir bhi saadhaaran garib hi samajhte hain. Yahaan koyi lakhpati hai kyaa? Aajkal laakh to badi baat nahin. Ek laakh hoga usko bhi lakhpati kahenge. Lakhpati to dher hain. UNKO BABA SAADHAARAN KAHTE HAIN. Aajkal to karodpati ki baat hai. 40-50 karod hai to shaadiyon par bhi kitna kharch karte hain. – 37- [rath, wot]

= ...... today, lakhpatis (lords of lakhs ) are not so great. There are many who are lakhpatis. Baba calls them as ordinary. Today- it is matter of karodpatis (lords of crores). ...


SM 15-2-89(3):- Baap toh hai hee gareeb nivaaz. Daan bhee gareebon ko hee diyaa jaataa hai. BAAP KHUD KAHTE HAIN MAIN BHEE SAADHAARAN TAN MAY AATAA HUN. NA GAREEB, NA SAAHUKAAR. Tum bachche hee Baap ko jaante ho. Baaki saaree duniyaa toh gaalee detee rahtee hai. BAAP KAHTE HAI BHAARATAVAASIYON KO DRAMA

= Father himself says- I come in ordinary Chariot, is it not? Neither poor, nor rich. ....
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I think the above Murli point fits very well to Brahma Baba than VD.

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 16 Sep 2012

# Post No. 65

Example No. 20:- Opposition to BapDada in Yagya:-

A Murli point is worth to be note here-

SM 2-11-77(3):- Baba ko service samaachaar miltaa rahe toh raay bhi mil sakti hai kaise2 samjhaavo. Parantu Baba ko sunaate nahin hai. BAAPDAA SE BHI BAHUTON KAA VIRODH HAI. Isliye Baba samjhaate hain bahuton par grahachaari bhi lagti hai. -2 [warning]

= If Baba gets news of service, Baba can give directions how to explain (the knowledge). But children do not report the news. Many have opposition even towards BapDada. Hence Baba says- grahachara (similar to eclipse) sits on many .
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so- when even during 1964 to 1969 there was opposition, there could have been opposition even before.

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Post by fluffy bunny » 16 Sep 2012

It suggests opposition *within* the yugya to me, is that how you read it?

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Post by mbbhat » 17 Sep 2012

# Post No. 66

I think, it is due to ego of knowledge, the BK leadership hesitates to disclose the details what had happened in the beginning of Yagya, how the change occurred , etc. Actually, I feel- they could have just mentioned them- just in one or two pages. Of course, no need of every detail.

But- for those- who believe Mama was idiot, DL was immoral, liar, etc- I think - no truth can satisfy them. So- again all is drama.
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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

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mbbhat wrote:But- for those- who believe Mama was idiot, DL was immoral, liar, etc- I think - no truth can satisfy them. So- again all is drama. -----------
What would you call a young women who called Gandhi an "unpatriotic dictator", and thought Lekhraj Kirpalani was God and greater than the Brahm for 14 years as Om Radhe did?

Those are the facts, mbbhat, written and signed by her. Not to mention the bus crash in which some young girl lost her arm and they sent a telegram back to the parents hiding and lying about it. She was not properly trained and qualified to be driving a bus full of children (... what happened to their god's protection then?)

I cannot right now remember calling Lekhraj Kirpalani a "liar" but he was tricky, devious, an egotist and manipulative ... he still is.

A certain sort of people would think to be shrewd and canny are a positive thing in business, especially in India at his time ... but he went beyond what would be consider ethical now. However, when you consider at the time he also was also calling himself god, then I think people had a right to higher standards.

Then there is the matter of his immoral behaviour with the young woman in the Om Mandli. Behaviour that would shock Hindus even today.

Again, those are the facts; lying around, sleeping, bathing, feeding like lovers ... all round acting as if he was a Krishna to the young women and unmarried girls of other families.

What do you call that?

It's a joke the BKs claim the community reacted against the Om Mandli's "purity" ... but typical of the lies and fabrications the BKWSU makes up about their history ... and you've never examined the original documents. You never knew or met "Mother Eve" Om Radhe. What authority do you have?

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Post by mbbhat » 18 Sep 2012

you may assume anything dear soul.

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Post by fluffy bunny » 18 Sep 2012

Let's not make assumptions, let's look at the fact ... which you keep refusing to address.

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 18 Sep 2012

Post No. 67

Example 21:- How initial deities are going to get birth?

I am not sure how it will be. But, just one more possbility.

Baba has said- no need to go into those details. And, it is clearly said in Murlis- that Father of Krishna would be impure.

Also- parents of Radha and Krishna will not be great souls

SM 29-1-76(3):- [Also in SM 5-8-81(3)]:- Krishn kaa kitnaa naam gaayaa jaataa hai. Unkey Baap ka naam hee nahin. Unkaa Baap kahaan hai. Zaroor Krishn Raja kaa bachchaa hogaa na. Jahaan jeeth* vahaan bade Raja ke ghar may janm hota hai. PARANTU VAH PATIT RAJA HONE KAARAN UNKAA NAAM THODE HEE HOGA. KRISHN JAB HAI TAB THODE PATIT BHEE RAHTE HAIN. JAB VAH BILKUL KHATM HO JAATE HAIN, TAB YAH GADDI PAR BAITH_TE HAIN. APNAA RAAJY LE LETE HAIN. TABSE HEE UNKAA SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI. LN SE HEE SAMVAT SHURU HOTAA HAI.

= How famous is name of Krishna. There is no name of his Father. Where/what is his Father? Definitely Krishna would be child of a King. He got birth at home of some famous (may be famous just to Kaliyug) King. But since that King is patit(impure), his name cannot be famous. Some impure souls(people) also will be present during period of Krishna. When they(impure) fully vanish, this(Krishna) will sit on throne. He gets his throne. From there the samvatsar begins. The samvatsar begins with LN(Lakshmi Narayan).

*This line was not clear to me. In the Murli it is written as- Jahaan jeeth vahaan bade Raja ke ghar may janm hota hai.

The Murli says- Father of Krishna would be impure.

And children (sandeshi) has seen how ShivBaba purified the blood of an impure person (by power of thoughts). [The incident is- once Brahma Baba had an operation and blood should have been put into his body. But, Brahma Baba was not ready to accept blood of an ordinary Kaliyugi person, since he thought- this/my body is ShivBaba's . So- how can i put blood of an impure person. so- When BBaba was not ready to accept the blood, children sent message to ShivBaba and ShivBaba in reply said, " Tell the child (BBaba) to take blood and ShivBaba will purify it. "

After the message, BBaba accepted the blood and it was given to his body. And the sandeshis had seen in trance how ShivBaba was purifying the blood.

Now- so there can be possibility - impure womb also can become pure by ShivBaba's thoughts, or most probably by the power of the Krishna's soul (or the respective deity soul) before or as soon as it enters into the womb.

And sometimes it could be just 108 souls be purifying for all the rest. Hence they may be called as master creators.

There is an Avyakt Murli point- "like science can store energy, do research how thought energy can is stored". And we know, even if we put manure, etc to a plant, it will yield its fruit at its season. So- the thought power of BKs done thorugh out the Conf. age may give fruit at that time.

We do not have thought power up to even 5% now. so- after that only we will be able to realize such things.
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There is a Murli point- when you can burn sins by yogbal, cannot you purify the food what you eat? so- purifying a womb is a small job when compared to purifying the whole nature.

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Re: Mbbhat's Views and Churnings.

Post by mbbhat » 19 Sep 2012

Post No. 68

Example No. 22:- Better not to stick into figures and physical facts

We may do some calculations and discuss. But, do not go too far in them.

For example-

1)SM 6-9-81(2):- Krishn ki 8 dynasty chalti hain. Pahley kahenge King of Satyug. 8 PEEDHI UNKI PAHLEY CHALTI HAIN. Us samay to doosrey raajaayein to hote nahin. Ab Baba kahte tum bachche bhi Satyug ka prince bano. -9 [Krishn, ER, sp]

= there would be 8 dynasties of Krishna. First, we say King of Satyug. There would be 8 dynasties of him. At that time, there would be no other kings. Now, Baba says- you also (put effort to) become prince of Satyug.


Now, if we think practically, RK will become LN at their age of around 30 years. And they will sit on throne. By the time they reach 60 years, they are likely to give birth to next Krishna. When the parents, reach 90 years of age, then the next child Krishna becomes eligible to become Narayan and they should leave the throne. so- practically, one LN (dynasty) rules for (90- 30) = 60 years.

So- in just Satyug, itself, there would be 1250/60 = 20 or 21 dynasties.

But, the Murli point says- it is just 8.

Some child had done this calculation and might have asked Baba and Baba had replied-

2)SM 25-11-78(3):- Jo srimath par na chalte, unki budhi may kab dhaaran ho na sakey. DIN PRATIDIN KAHTE HAIN AAGE AAPKAA GYAAN AUR THAA. AB AUR HAIN. Baap kahte hain din pratidin tumko guhy baatein sunaataa hun. Toh zaroor gyaan ki vruddhi hoti jaayegi. KOYI2 PRASHN UTHAA_THAY HAIN 8 BAADSHAAHE KAISE CHALENGI? IS HISAAB SE ITNI BAADASHAAHI HONI CHAAHIYE. Baap kahte hain tum in baaton may kyon padte ho? Pahley baap aur unkey varse ko toh yad karo. Vahaan ki jo rasam rivaaz hogi vah chalegi. Bachche jis reeti padaa hote honge us reeti honge. Tum kyon ismey jaate ho? -80- [Kings, gyaani tu atma, atom bomb]

= Those who do not follow srimath, their intellect will not imbibe. Everyday- (people) say- your knowledge was something before and now something different. Father says- everyday, I speak new points. So- definitely there will be increase in knowledge. Some (mostly children) question, how can there be (just) 8 dynasty? According to this calculation, there should be so much*. Father says- Why should you get into such things? first remember Father and property.The rasam and rivaaz (way of life) of there (heaven) would be there. How children should take birth, will take there (according to the razam and rivaaz of there). Why do you get into these?


3)SM 14-1-76(1):- Aise nahin ki saare Satyug may 1250 varsh tak ek LN hee raajy karte hain. Nahin. EK2 150 VARSH RAAJY KARTE HAIN. PHIR VAARIS KO DETE HAIN. (Mistake) -19- = [8- SM 16-1-81(1) ]

= It is not that in the whole Satyug(Golden Age), just one LN will rule. EACH RULES FOR 150 years. Then they handover (the power or Kingdom) to vaaris(heirs).

Does each one rules for 150 years(full life span)? This is impossible.

Then why Baba might have said so in the beginning? The main reason may be - It becomes easy to deliver the knowledge. Because Baba's main aim is to stick the intellect of children in either Alaf or the Bey (Property). Then only gradually, our intellect will become free and free and light and powerful. So- he will explain us like a story and not figures and facts.

so- when ShivBaba says- you also have to become like Krishna, he should them mention about dynasties of Krishna. and- if in the beginning itself- he says it is 20/21, then children's mind instead of enjoying/feeling of heaven, would get stuck in these calculations and will not become light and pure.

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