PBKs assume some things about BKs without knowing it. For example- when BKs say in their 7 days course to lowkik people - ""Ram, Krishna, etc are not deities, not God, Shiv/point alone is God, (not even Shankar, as they explain Shankar and Shiv are different)", some lowkik people misunderstand and convey the information to others as - "BKs do not believe in God at all". I had noticed this. But, it is a small percentage only,where as most of the PBKs will assume such things about BKs.sita wrote:I did not know this is the belief of the BKs.
Even here, arjun and some other PBK members too have assumed somethings. The main reason is- Some things are not frequently discussed or spoken in BKWSU. For example- Sakar- niraakaar, or subtle Brahma-Prajapita Brahma, etc. But, for PBKs it is a crucial topic, and they will give extra ordinary weightage to it. So, when some BKs become PBKs, the training what they receive in PBK Bhatti would be like- "BKs believe so and so". This WILL BE PUT INTO HEADS OF NEW PBKs.
Mostly there is no much Yaad in PBK bhatti. It is once again their 7 days course in Kampil. Just for the namesake only they are making them attending the bhatti so as to show that they are following srimath.
And, since the new PBKs would be highly intoxicated (a usual things that happens everywhere when a person changes his religion, and even in life of a Bk during beginning when they enter into gyaan) they will assume some things. They will get caught in the hands of senior PBKs. [This will happen even in BKWSU, but in AIVV, it is almost 100%, since everyone is given a handbook containing Murli points with date, just to mug and teach others).
When the PBk who gave me their gyaan (AIVV gyaan), said to me, "we have both B baba(Mother) and Prajapita/Father in body of Dixit". I just asked him, do you feel B baba in body of Dixit? He said "Yes". But unfortunately, all the things were just put on to their head. There is neither feeling of ShivBaba, nor heaven, nor Silence world, but just body of Dixit which itself is considered to be Paramdham or Sukhdham. [They just mis interpret a Murli point for even this].
When PBKs equate even the highest worlds- Paramdham and Heaven to impure body of Dixit, can they distinguish between Dixit and B baba or ShivBaba there? Actually, it is very difficult to discriminate between ShivBaba and B baba in the Chariot/Lekhraj Kirpalani or in Dadi Gulzar. But, the PBk told me- Yes, we feel B baba too.
Interestingly, PBKs HAVE TO REPLY SO. Because if they do not reply so, how can they prove they are getting sustenance of B baba too? Now, if they reply Yes, again they are caught in their own trap.
[For BKs, it is much simpler than PBKs. There are just two souls in body of Lekhraj Kirpalani. And since ShivBaba does not ride Chariot whole day- BKs will get feelings of both ShivBaba and B baba in unique ways during different periods of a day.]
But, for PBKs, there are three souls in one body, that too one is controlling/disturbing the other! How to feel them separately as to realize both CORPOREAL Father and CORPOREAL(or subtle?) mother?*
Many times, most of the PBKs(almost every PBk member even here) do not understand even the question itself and reply irrelevantly. Because their head is stuck just as a child had mugged some lessons.
You may see who has neglected the Murli- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50808&hilit=alag#p50808 Murli says- both Bap and Dada are together. You know very well that BKs believe Dada to be subtle Brahma (after 1969). How can subtle body go to Paramdham? Do BKs believe so?If it is so, it means they have neglected the Murli.
That is what Baba says- sooth hee moonjhaa huvaa hai. = The whole thread has got confused. People do not know. People have forgotten both Shiv and his Chariot. Instead of Prajapita/Brahma, people have thought God of Gita as Krishna. This is the problem. - Put here- Post No. 77 and 66 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... ley#p11388 Due to this, people do not know that saraswathi is mouth born progeny of Brahma.I mean they say "hail to the mother", but why do they not mention the Father, does she has a husband or not.
Understand the context properly. You wrote about "respect for a widow in the view from lowkik world". So, I replied in the view of lowkik world. Why do you need ShivBaba here at first place? You DO NOT HAVE REPLY. Then you/PBKs will not hesitate to use even ShivBaba as scapegoat.No, ShivBaba has said that Brahma Baba is in fact Jagadamba.
But, ShivBaba has said logically. [You are taking only isolated Murli points]. ShivBaba has said- even though Real Jagadamba is B baba, he is gupt, not recognized as Mother by anyone in lowkik. He is considered just as Bull/Father/Prajapita, NOT COW. The temples are of female/junior Jagadamba(Mama). I have already put this in this very same topic just few days before.
So, you do neither understand what you write nor what ShivBaba says. This is the status of PBKs
Read the post fully. PBKs believe two female roles associated w.r.t Mr Dixit. One is B baba playing as ardh_naareeshawar, and another the base- jalaadhaari Parvati. My question was if the base of Vedanti sister, is ling half B baba, and half Dixit?In the Shivling, the female part is Parvati.
Then why PBKs do not believe Ram as "No. 01 Brahma"? Why do they give seat Adi/First Brahma to Kamala Devi?In the Murli, ShivBaba has said that we are all Parvatis, even the soul of Ram is number one Parvati.
* - It is a great unfortunate thing for PBKs which they had given high importance to Avyakt Murlis and claim B baba too enters Mr Dixit. This has become a spiritual suicide to PBKs, because a)Mr Dixit never thought the simple logic- the rider would be more powerful than Chariot, and secondly- In Avyakt Murlis, no much weightage is given to Prajapita or corporeal things.
I was actually surprised when PBKs quote/use Avyakt Murli points, because none of the Avyakt Murli points prove their claims. In fact, totally go against them. The best way for Mr Dixit was to reject Avyakt Murlis just by declaring them as words of Lekhraj Kirpalani. But, giving Avyakt Murli points a great importance, PBKs have committed doubly suicide.
Sorry to say this. But, it is drama. All the very best.