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Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

Additions to the last post:
13.. 29.8.67.P.M jo kal dekha tha scan Murli me date overwrite kiya hai, usi din ki audio me shayad alag class chali hai.
14. Scan Murli jo handwritten ya typewriter se banaye gaye the, vah bhi revised hi hai, asali nahi. Lekin usko sabse pehle kisne type kiya computer me? In dono me bhi minor mismatches milenge.

Aage kya kya options hai sach pata karne ke liye?
1. Sabse best, apna purushrth karo, Sakar Murli padhte raho.
2. Agar is baar Milan me nakli Baba aate to jaane wale pooch sakte, 17th October ko. Janm le liya ho to patat nahi, fir mushkil hai.

3. Sochne ki baat hai, jab Dixit G ne party nikaala. Tab se BKs ne kahaniya bana shuru kar diya. Jaise ki Baba ek room me jake baith gaye, fir karma laal laal hogaya, kehne lage “....shivohum, shivohum”. Inka Baba sachha hota to aisi kahaniya kyon banana lage? Murliyo me aisa kuchh nahi aaya, ulta bataya ki pata hi nahi chalta praveshata ki. Aisa bhi nahi ki Dixit G ki baton me sacchai thi. Yah to BKs bhi jaante hai. Fir, unka sacchai se virodh na karke, apni sacchi kahani bhi chhipake, jhooth kyo bolega koi? Kuchh books hai, ‘Om Manldi”,”An Reply To Is Justice”—isme shayad BKs ne kuchh changes kiye hai dubara chhapwake , ”Is This Justice”- isme pata chalega asali Mama kyat hi kitna powerful thi bachpan me hi. Yah padhne se hume bhi samajh me aata ki Dada Lekhraj ka partner Sevakram kaun tha. Umr me use bhi chhota tha, Anti Om Mandli me tha wagaira. Fir BKs ko nahi pata tha? Fir bhi yah sab drama kyon? Seedha seedha batao sacchai. Dusri baat, murliyo me hi kahi baar aaya jisse pata chalta ki yagy ke aadi me shuru shuru me satsang me Gita sunanewaala vahi Dada Lekhraj tha, Sevakram nahi. BKs ko pata hi hai. Fir bhi kyon nahi bataya. Kya isse yah samajh liya jaye ki Bhale Dada Lekhraj ne Gita sunaya, Sevakram ne nahi sunaya, lekin inke nakli Baba ne bhi to nahi sunaye, isiliye yah log sach na batakar, ulta dar me kuchh katha kahaniya banana lage.

4. Jisne yah scene dekha tha jahan ‘Baba room me jaate, fir laal laal hua wagaira’ vah unki Bahu Radhika bataya jata hai. Jisko Brijindra Dadi bhi kehte hai yagy me. Sharir Chhod chuki hai. Lekin uska photos dekha to vah to Nakli Brahma ya unke parivaar walo se milti hai. Bahu nahi, beti honi chaie. Yah sirf anumaan hai, check karo khud. Ek or family photo hai Dada Lekhraj ke jisme vo Radhika bhi Kishanchand jib hi hai. Usse bhi compare karo.

5. Abhi inka family par pura research karna pade. Pehle lagta tha ki shayad Sevakram hi baad me yagy me aaya hoga. Fir vah khud hi nakli Baba banke baitha hoga, vah bhi Dada Lekhraj ke rup me, us naam se . Jinke yah bacche hai Narayan Dada, Nirmal Shanta Dadi wagaira. Kyon ki Sevakram ke naam kea age bhi “Narain” (Narayan aise likhte hai) laga hua tha. Yah ‘Narain’ , uska pita ka nam ho fir usne apne bête ko rakha ho “Narain Dada”. Or isi vajah se jab Dixit G ne “Sevakraam” ka naam liya to BKs gabraa gaye. Aisa lagta tha pehle pehle. Baad me yah theory galat laga. Kyon ki Dada Lekhraj ke photos to papers me chhup chuke the yagy ke aadi me jab ladai hua. To itna bewkuf nahi bana sakta koi.

6. Agla option bachta hai ki koi Humshakl ho jo nakli Baba banke baith gaya ho baad me. Waise Dada Lekhraj ke 2 Bhai the. Ek to kafi pehle se sharir chhod chuke the jab tak yagy shuru hua. Vah Tulsidas the, jinka beta Vishwa Kishore Bhau. Dusra ek Bhai bhi tha, shayad Gujrat me Dhandha tha ya fir Kolkata me hi, clear nahi hai. Iske alava ek Behan bhi thi. Bhaiyo ke shakl to milte hi hai na kafi had tak. Waise shuruat me Bhaiyo ne sath nahi diya. S.M.21.12.67.A.M,pg1 ke ant me aaya ki Baba ne apne bhaiyo ko bhi lakhpati bana diya tha (laukik me). Fir jab pavitrata ki baat aai yagy ke aadi me,vah bhi bigad pade. Lekin fir baad me to aaya hoga wapas yagy me. To vahi fir nakli banke baitha hoga. Abhi vah Dada Lekhraj se chhota tha ya bada, yah nahi pata. Chhota hona chaie waise. Narayan Dada to batate ki Dada Lekhraaj sabse chhota tha Bhaiyo me. Narayan Dada to nakli Baba ke bête hi lagte hai, unko hi Dada Lekhraj batate hai. Nirmal Shanta Dadi bhi nakli ke bête honge, jniko bachpan me Dada Lekhraj ne paala hoga.

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Please note: yah maatr ek anumaan hai. Isme kafi variations ho sakte hai.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

Coninuation to the last post,
7. Ab Kishanchand kiske bête honge? Radhika kaun hai or kaha gayi? Kishanchand ka parivaar to videsh chala gaya tha, abhi to unko beta Ganshyam bhi nahi rahe. Shayad ek beti hai.
8. Yashodha Mata asali Brahma ke yugal rahe honge.
9. Ab in sabka jawab kaun dega? Bache hi kitne hai ab? Dadi Janki, Mohini Didi? Santri Dadi?

10. Narayan Dada ke bêta bhi hai Mumbai me. Manoj Kripalani, jo facebook me aajkal kuchh pics upload kar rahe hai, fir bhi jhooth hi bata rahe hai. Ek pic shayad hatha diya jo Kishanchand ki beti kit hi shayad jisme vah badi thi. Ek or pic hai jisme bachpan ki pic hai Kishanchand ki beti- Mohini Kripalani ki, jo dusri wife bhagwati ki beti bataya gaya hai shayad. Tulsidas kea lava jo dusra Bhai tha Dada Lekhraj ka, uska naam Navalrai bataya gaya.
11. Recently, kidhar to padha tha ki Dada Lekhraj ka dukan Kolkata me ‘New Market’ area me nahi tha. Pata nahi isme kitni sacchai hai

12. Yah kuchh youtube videos dekh lo Narayan Dada ke. Kuchh bhi chadha ke bata rahe hai. Agar sach me aisa hota inka Baba to chadhake batane ki jarurat nahi hoti. Asali Dada Lekhraj to sach me achha khaasa tha jaise Murli me aaya. Ek me to Ramesh Bhai bhi hai, dono milke kya natak racha hai,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0NqljBc5v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdDA5xeCj_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2GKUHXgGc

13. Santri Dadi ka bhi video dekh lo, kuchh bhi kahani bata rahi hai. Yah Vishwa Kishore ki yugal hai laukik me,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzHmwKQ0kIQ&t=1171s

14. Ab asali Mama kaun thi? Unke bhi photos chhap chuke the, Kalp tree wagaira me. Om Radhe Mama ki ek sister thi “Gopi”. BKs ke hi ek article me padha tha jo abhi mil nahi raha hai, mila to share karenge, usme bataya ki vah dono ek jaise dikhte the, dono mana Om Radhe Mama or unki sister “Gopi”. Usme yah bhi bataya gaya ki “Gop” ne sharir chhod diya tha yagy ke aadi me hi, typhoid ya kuchh hua tha, Sindh me hi. Lekin kya pata, ‘Gopi” ne sharir hi nahi chhoda ho us samay, inhone kahaani bana di ho. Vahi Gopi baad me Mama banke baith gayi ho jisne fir 1965 me sharir chhoda ho. Asali Mama to pehle gai hogi, asali Baba ke jaane se pehle hi.

15. Akhir me, internet me kafi photos milenge Mama-Baba ke. Usme asali Mama-Baba kaun hai? Nakli kaun hai? Jo dikhte ek jaise ho to pehchaanna mushkil hai. Fir bhi kuchh minor changes dekhe gaye hai. Jaise Baba ka hairstyle me shayad thoda farak hai. Waise hi Mama me bhi kuchh farak dikhta hai. Khaas karke asali or nakli ke chehre ke expressions, unka attitude yah sab cheeje gour karne ki hai. Mama me case me to nakli or asali ke chehre ke expression me kafi farak hai. Baba ke case me ‘hair style’ or ‘moochhe’ me farak hai. Google karo “Om Radhe Mama”, “Dada Lekhraaj” wagaira, fir images me dekho.

Kuchh examples attach kare rahe. Ek nakli Mama ka pic tha jisme vah bhi veena bajane wali pose de rahi thi imitate karte hue. Dusri ek asali Mama ki pic jisme vah Car me baithi hai. Yah dono mila to jarur study karo, filhal nahi mile.
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Post by xpbk » 21 Sep 2019

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Post by xpbk » 22 Sep 2019

Additions:
1. Jahan tak hume Yaad hai kuchh proofs the jisme yah pata chala tha ki Dada Lekhraj, 1932 me dukan band karke aagaya tha, 1936 me nahi. Shayad “Is this Justice” me milega.
S.M.22.8.61 page 2 ke ant me aaya “Sabko khalas hona hai…Baki 10-12 varsh hai. Fir hum rajy le lenge”. Dekho, 61 me 10-12 varsh bata diya tha, fir 66 me kaise fir se 10 varsh batayenge. Agar yah 61 ki Vani, vastav me 61 me hi chali hai to fir 71-73 ke liye vinash ki ghoshana hui thi.
2. Ek ‘Date Of Birth’ Certificate’ mila tha usi 2012-13 ke aaspaas, jiske hisab se, Dada Lekhraj ka DOB ’15-12-1884’ hai. Gaon me mujhe nahi lagta yah sab cheej accurate koi note karta hoga. Ek scan Murli me Baba ne bataya tha Baba ki age ke bare me ki Karachi me jo janaganati karne wale aate the vah kehte the ki 90 (ya shayad 92) varsh ke honge.
Jab is tarah ki baate nikal aai 2012-13 me to shayad BKs ne fir 1929 me yagy ki shuruat batai fir literature me change karne ko maana tha shayad, itna pakka Yaad nahi hai. Lekin 1932 ya usse pehle hi Satsang shuru hogaya tha. Fir BKs ne pehle 1936 kyo bataya? Matlab inka nakli baba ke janm ke hisaab se 1936 me vah 60 saal ke hote honge. Pata nahi exactly. Sacche hote to pehle hi sahi baat bata dete. To baki kitne saal bache honge abhi, pata nahi.

Sabse pehle yah clear kar de ki abhi tak yah nahi pata ki asali Mama-Baba abhi kaha hai, kaun hai? Na hume, na hi unko jinhone yah research kiya sath me. Na hi humari koi party hai.

Baki sab partyo ke liye, hume bhi jod ke:
Socho, Dixit G koi Vishnu par kiase ishare denge? Unhone humesha, har baat khud par lagu kari hai. Pehle Dixit G ko samjho. Waise hi pehle nakli Brahma ko samjho, jinhone audios me humesha Shankar ke bare me vahi bataya acchhe se jo kagaj ki murliyo me aaya. To sabse pehle sare Sakar Murli padhna pade, jo sabka adhar hai, har party ka, fir apna apna party me kahi gai bato ko verify karo murliyo se. Hum jab market me jate sabji ya phal kharidne to 4-5 jagah rate pata karte fir kharidte. Itna mehnat 10-15 bachane ke liye. Yahan to kisiko Bhagwan maanne ka matlab apni sari zindagi daav par laga dena, sath me apne parivaar- Maa-baap, beebi bacche sabko. Agar parivar Gyan me chala to bhi unka satyanash, nahi chala to hum unka khayal nahi rakhte na jyada, ignore karte hai, to usme bhi unka loss. Itna bada faisla, itni badi qurbani dene se pehle kuchh to research karna chaie, samajhna chaie ki kya sach me yah Bhagwaan hai?
PBKs ke liye or bhi simple tarika, jo Sacchi Gita khand 1 hai uske points uthao jo 1969 se pehle wale date ke hai, uska agar asali Murli hai to verify karte jao. Topics to bahut hai, Shankar kya? Brahma kitne? Prajapita kaun? Khaas karke, Sangamyugi L.N, Wagaira wagaira.
Itna andhakar phaila hua ki logo ko yahi nahi pata chalta ki kaunsi baat original Murli ki hai, kaunsi PBKs wala Gyan ki hai. Dekha gaya ki jo PBKs ke khilaaf hai, vah jo Gyan ki bate karte to vahi PBKs ka Gyan bhara hua. Unko lagta ki yah sab Murli me aaya tabhi Dixit G apne VCDs me batate. Dixit G ne Murli ki acchhi bato ko aise sunaya jaise vah khud ka manthan ho- jaise moar ki pavitrata ki baat. Or jo khud ka agyan hai, use aise pesh kiya jaise vah Murli ki hi baat ho. VCD sunte waqt hume pata thodi chalta hai, hum kaunsa kagaj ki Murli ko refer kar rahe. Vah to padhne ko bhi mana kar diya, 3rd class bol diya.

sabse pehle har baat me sawaal uthao, khud parakh lo har cheej ko. Sawaal uthana maana Gora kagaj banna. Hume kuchh nahi pata, ekdum naye se shuru karte, jaante hai sach kya hai. Sabse pehle Sakar Murlis padhna pade jisme kafi tarah ke hai. 1. Computer typed Murlis- 1958 to 1969 2. Scan Murlis 1964 to 1969 3. Nakli Brahma’s audio 4. Jo BKs ke revised Murlis hai, jisme har cycle me kuchh na kuchh cutting hoti aai hai, to yah last option hai 5. Iske baad bahut kuchh hai, AV verify karo, Sandesh verify karo etc 6.Kuchh kitaab hai, ‘Om Mandli ‘, ‘Is this Justice’, ’An Reply To Is This Justice’.

Isme pehla category se shuru karna chaie. Agar Laptop ya mobile padhna ho to year-month wise download karke, arrange karke rakho. Ya humare pass jo kiya hua hai vah “Admin” ko bhej denge. Chhapa hua chayie to uske liye e-books banaya hai kuchh logo ne, vo bhi “Admins” ko bhej denge. www.printonweb.in .website me isko print kara sakte ho. File upload karo, order karo seedha ghar pe aayega. Iske bad, jo Murli pehla category me nahi mila ho or scan/audio me hi hai to vah bhi padh/sun sakte.

Padhte waqt, points note karna ho to, pehle se topics decide karna chaie. Jaise Shankar, Shivling, Prajapita, Suxmvatan, Karmatit stage,Baba ki Jivan kahani, Vinash ki Ghoshnaye, Prajapita, Atma ke bare me, paramatma ke bare me,, Yaad, Drama, Mama ke sharir chhodne ke bare me etc naam ke ‘Notepad’ files banao laptop me ya fir register me alag alag page pe. jisko jitni topics ki jarurat ho, utnai karo, bad me add bhi karte jao naye naye topics. Fir jab padhte jayenge to jaise jo point aaya usko us section me short me note karte jao, sirf page no. or aadi/madhy/ant jahan bhi aaya itna bhi likh diya to kafi hai, pura point likhne ki jarurat nahi hai ki kya kya bola.Kyon ki topic ko nam diya hua hai. Sirf reference chaie ki is topic par kaha kaha aaya. Isse dusra fayda, baad me alag se baith points ka segregation karna nahi padega, jo bahut difficult kam hai. Teesri baat, jab Murli me koi baat aati, jaise suxmvatan ke bare me jyadatar confusion hota hai. Lekin jab sari Murlis padhenge, or jitney bhi suxmvatan par points mile hai, un sabko ikatta kar study karne se clear hota hai.

Humare hisaab se 2 sabse important cheej Gyan me- atma or Drama ke bare me acchhe se samajhna. Or 2 sabse bade challenges- ahankar or Dehbhan. Kam vikar to hai hi. In points par jarur gour karna chaie Murli padhte waqt.

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Post by xpbk » 22 Sep 2019

A glimpse of the journey of remembrance

First of all, let's see “what is the journey of remembrance?” based on what has been said in the Murlis,
(This is not a comparison or a some kind of unlimited meaning as in PBKs and also this not a final verdict or something. It’s just a thought. Don’t assume anything, find out for yourself)

If you read S.M.28.8.62.A.M- in page 3, Baba is says, actually, Yoga is in everything that people do. Like, saddler, cobbler. They just focus their mind and learn the skill. Let’s say there is a King, then his mind will be in his kingdom.
It’s like practicing/focusing/learning/gaining knowledge and working on something and become a master or achieve something or make money based on that skill.That is Yoga. During this course of Yoga, they will definitely keep thinking on the earnings/fame etc which further motivates them, this is also a part of the Yoga. If someone failed at something it’s just because there was a lack of Yoga or focus.
Taking the example of students. They focus on their teacher. Otherwise how will they learn? They should focus on the teachings. If I want to become a surgeon, I should focus and learn the surgery during my academics, because this is what of I would do later.

Things are interconnected also. Like, somewhere only knowledge is enough. Somewhere a skill is important, but knowledge is required to gain that skill.

So it is also said in the Murlis, you should not say Yoga. Remembrance is the right word. Because, you don’t have to sit for this. Yoga, meditation are not the right words.

Similarly, this is Rajyog. This is the highest and purest kind of Yoga and every other Yoga in the world is impure. Because,we are not doing it for this body, but next life or for the soul. So what is the purpose of this Yoga? To become diety, get inheritance from the Father, become king in the NEXT LIFE. So, we should understand the knowledge also. This learning or even teaching this to someone is also a part of RajYoga. Talking about it, thinking about it, visualizing (with belief based on the knowledge) the dynasty of L.N, thinking of that new world- is all part of that Yoga. Main thing is, we should remember always, this is for next life. You know it’s for next life and still happy about it, the you are in Remembrance. Baba says, ‘If you even just remember that this is drama, that is also Yoga”. Similarly, any other point of knowledge. If you remember the knowledge and you are happy, definitely you will remember the teacher also. At least, to thank him. Baba says if you do ‘manmanabhav’, which means ‘remember me’ then you will get ‘Madhyajibhav’ which means the inheritance/kingdom etc. As people learn something and then they earn something out of that skill. So even if you remember the end result of this Yoga, that is also Yoga. We have to go back to Shantidham and come back to Sukhdham (Heaven), remembering this is also Yoga. You should not sit and imagine the Parandham or remember. It’s all about knowledge. Keeping that in the mind or thinking over it is Yoga.
Intensity matters. How serious are about the results? Desiring for something in next life is a great thing. But,not enough. Are you really serious about it? How strongly you believe it? So, deepness matters a lot.

What is wrong?
Remembering Parandham, or a point of light or someone’s body is not at all Rajyog. Expecting something for the current life or body, including fame is not at all Rajyog.Talking or thinking or teaching about personality development/stress management/relationship management etc like BKs do is not all Rajyog.

Importance of Yoga: Baba had said many things in the Murlis. It is said in a very serious manner ‘This is the only way out’. ‘I guarantee you, you will become pure / your sins will burn’, It is also said ‘The Father (shiv) promises you, if you remember me you will become sathopradhan (pure)’. ‘You will be very happy’. ‘You become unhappy only because, you becme body conscious or you think that you are a body’. ‘Forget about everything- how the rosary will be formed, how the heaven is going to be like, who will become what, what is my number etc, just focus on Yoga and you will understand everything later’, ’at least remember me first’. ‘At least remember the big form (Shivling)’ etc

That ultimately means, this is real. It actually happens. We, the souls become pure and no doubt about it. The results are also instantaneous, though may not last longer in the beginning.

It is also said that we become complete only in the end and till then we would definitely have disturbance (may be not until the ultimate end). But we should not afraid. As soon as you start remembering Maya will attack like anything. But the final purusharth is based on the overall purusharth of the entire life.

Deep remembrance: Everyone knows, we are souls. Is that enough Yoga? You should realize first based on vichar sagar manthan. Better we should not use ther word ‘manthan’ (churning). It’s about thinking deep into something. It’s not about getting yourself lost in something. Conciously thinking over something or studying to know the truth. Baba talks about two more things, especially for remembrance- Ekant and Antrmukh. You should do Vichar sagar by being in ekant.
When (Shiv) Baba used to enter Brahma Baba, it was correct to remember in Sakar (Corporeal body). But if it was just an assumption (andhashraddha) or because someone thought you so or because of love on Brahma baba, then it was also wrong. It’s all about the knowledge. Shiv was present in him, knowing this was Yoga. It’s not remembering a body. When baba is here on this earth and you remember Baba in Parandham is completely wrong. We don't know where is Baba now, but that is fine. If you know for sure that he is here somewhere, that is Yoga. But if you assume that he is in some so and so personality (like various parties), then it's completely wrong.
Rember Parandham- to understand it, that is Yoga. Remembering does not mean memorizing (ratta maarna) or imagining something.

Most of the things explained here are based on Murli points. But I request you to study the Murlis and verify everything.

Some Murli references below on the journey of remembrance,
24.3.68.A.M-pg2-beginning & pg4-beginning, 23.4.68.A.M, 6.4.68.A.M-pg 1/2/3,
8.4.68.A.M-pg3-end, 25.4.68.A.M, 17.9.68.A.M-pg2-end & pg3 (Wonderful point),
17.12.68.AM-pg1-end & pg2 (Amazing), 18.4.68.A.M, 9.2.68.A.M, 12.2.68.A.M-pg2,
19.2.68..P.M, 20.2.68..P.M, 23.2.68.A.M, 31.3.68.A.M-pg1/2

And there are many more. MOST IMPORTANT- 5.11.67.A.M & 6.11.67.A.M, you should read these two at least once in evey 15 days.

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Post by xpbk » 16 Oct 2019

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1. 21+(20 PM)-7-68 (स्कैन मुरली में मिलेगा), पु.1 के मध्यान्त में कागज में "इस रथ को कुछ होता है तो तुमको फीलिंग आवेंगी| दादा को कुछ हुआ| बाबा को कुछ.... सम्पूर्ण नहीं है"| 20.7.68 रात्रि क्लास की ऑडियो में @4.52 मिनट में "फीलिंग आएगी" इतना बोला| आगे "दा..." कहते कहते रुक गए फिर सांस लिया पहले| फिर पूरा स्किप करके "प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा के बच्चे" वहां चले गए| 3-4 उड़ गए बीचे में| दादा की बात आती है तो परेशान हो जाते है यह|
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2. फिर थोड़ा आगे कागज में पु.1 के अंत में "अपन को ही नहीं समझते थे"| यह बात आती है| फिर ब्रह्मा की बात शुरू होती है, जो सफ़ेद ड्रेस में सूक्ष्मवतन में देखते है, कर्मातीत अवस्था की इन एडवांस हम को साक्षात्कार होता है, वह फरिश्ता बनेगा वगैरा| ऑडियो में चालाकी से 5.42 मिनट से यह सब बातें फिर स्किप कर दिया, पढ़ते ही नहीं|| कुछ भी सुनाना शुरू कर दिया| और सीधा 10 लाइन स्किप करके @6 मिनट के आसपास, सीधा पु.2 में "दरकार ही नहीं पड़ेगी| सिर्फ बाप को याद करना है | और आस्तिक बनना है" वहां चले जाते है|
जो कागज में जो आया "दरकार ही नहीं पड़ेगी", यह पिछाड़ी की बात बता रहे है| ऑडियो में इसकी ऊपर की बातें स्किप करके, इसका मीनिंग बदल दिया|
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स्कैन मुरली लिंक: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... )-7-68.pdf
ऑडियो का लिंक: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/64.mp3

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 16 Oct 2019

16.9.68 प्रा.क्ला. पु.1 के मध्य में कागज में "भाई-बहन की आपस में क्रिमिनल आई हो न सके| खराब ख्यालात है मुख्य काम की", इस तरह की बात आती है|
ऑडियो में ध्यान से सुनो @5.05 मिनट से, यहाँ 2 लाइन पढ़ते ही नहीं, जो नीचे हाईलाइट करके दिखाया हुआ है कागज की मुरली से|
जब जब इस तरह की बातें आती है विकार की बातें मुरलियों में, यह ऑडियो वाले ब्रह्मा शरमा जाते है और स्किप कर जाते|
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इसी तरह के 2 और प्रूफ पहले भी बताया था, जिसमें विकार की बात आई तो स्किप कर गए| एक तो वह कोर्ट का केस वाला, एक और था उसी तरह का|

अब बताओ, चलो मान लेते कि पहले डायरेक्ट टाइप नहीं करते थे या नहीं लिखते थे जब मुरली चलती थी| पहले रिकॉर्ड करके फिर उसमें से सिर्फ अच्छे अच्छे पॉइंट्स का 4 पेज का मुरली बनाके टाइप करते थे बाद में|

यह भी मान लेते कि टाइप करने वाले BKs ब्रह्मा से भी ज्ञान में होशियार थे, क्योंकि ऑडियो में ब्रह्मा तो गलत बोल देते है जैसे कि 'मूलवतन को सूक्ष्मवतन' , 'रुद्रमाला को 'रुण्ड माला', 'विख को विष्टा' वगैरा| तो BKs होशियार है ना ब्रह्मा से, जिन्होंने करेक्ट करके कागज में लिखा| (फिर ब्रह्मा की क्या जरुरत, जब ब्रह्मा से BKs होशियार है?)

यह भी मान लो कि इतना शानदार grammatically correct मुरली BKs ने खुद टाइप किया बाद में|

और भी बाकि सब मान लेते| लेकिन जो बातें, ऑडियो में कभी बोला ही नहीं, वह कैसे 'कागज़ की मुरली' में आगये?
जैसे इसका उदहारण है| वह 2 लाइन| इससे पहले वाले प्रूफ में, पहले 3-4 लाइन स्किप हुआ, फिर तो 10 लाइन स्किप कर दिया| कॉमन सेंस की बात है, जब ऑडियो में बोला ही नहीं| 10-10 लाइन ऊपर से इतना एक्यूरेट ज्ञान की बातें कोई और ने थोड़ी डाला होगा?

ऑडियो का लिंक: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/81.mp3
कागज की मुरली: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/799.pdf

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 17 Oct 2019

एक important रिसर्च पेपर भी रह गया था|

इसमें http://brahmakumaris.info/about/library/ , "Dr_BK_Wendy_Sargent_report-2010" यह वाला डाउनलोड करना| पु.30 और 31 में बताया गया कि दादा लेखराज के "2 छोटे भाई थे"| मतलब "तुलसीदास" के बाद, दादा लेखराज दूसरा बेटा हुआ|

अब "नारायण दादा" और उनका बेटा "मनोज कृपलानी" बताते कि, दादा लेखराज सबसे छोटा बेटा था|
एकदम कॉमन सेंस की बात है, कोई भी बेटा (नारायण दादा) अपना ही बाप का गलत हिस्ट्री क्यों बताएगा? कुछ तो साजिश चल रही है, कोई बात छिपाने की| तभी झूठ बोलते है|

उन 2 छोटे भाइयों में, "परमानन्द कृपलानी" तो शरीर छोड़के चले गए कुछ समय बाद, जो सबसे छोटे थे, ज्ञान के खिलाफ भी थे|
अब बचता है, तीसरा बेटा, "नावलरा" या "नावलराय"| उस पेपर में "नावलरा लेखराज" लिखा हुआ है वैसे| तो यह बाद में यज्ञ में आया होगा, जो फिर असली ब्रह्मा के जाने के बाद, खुद ब्रह्मा बनके बैठ गया होगा| इसका ही बेटा नारायण दादा होगा| यह "नारायण" नाम भी शायद चुराया हुआ है| वास्तव में "दादा लेखराज" का बेटा था इस नाम का|

मुरली में बताया, "दादा लेखराज ने अपने भाइयों को भी लखपति बना दिया था, लौकिक में| लेकिन जब यज्ञ शुरू हुआ, पवित्रता की बात आई तो वह भी विरोधी बन गए"| उसमें से एक बाद में आया होगा वापस|

पु. 30 में, आखरी में एक फोटो भी है देखना| वहीँ तो नहीं है "नावलराय"? कितना छोटा दिखता है| "लेखराज" तो कराची में ही दिखने में "90" साल का लगता था, एक मुरली में बताया|
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यह सब रिसर्च पेपर, कोर्ट के पेपर्स दीक्षित बाबा को भी दिए गए| लेकिन उनका कोई काम नहीं आया| न ही कोई सेवकराम का नाम मिला, न ही कुछ| तो फिर दीक्षित जी ने प्रूफ रख लिया, कुछ बताया नहीं|

इसी वेबसाइट में यज्ञ के फोटोज भी मिलेंगे| वह भी देख लेना| ऐसा लगता कि असली और नकली मम्मा, दोनों की फोटो है कराची के टाइम से|
एक बात ध्यान रखना, असली मम्मा ज्यादातर या हमेशा खुलें बाल रखती थी|

इस रिसर्च पेपर को पूरा पढ़ना चाइए| हमने भी काफी पहले पढ़ा था, अब दुबारा अच्छे से पढ़ेंगे|

आज मिलन है वैसे|

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 07 Nov 2019

कुछ छोटे-मोटे प्रूफ बाकी है जो फिर कभी देखेंगे| वैसे, असलियत जानने के लिए, भाई रमेश शाह, जगदीश भाई वगैरा के असली हिस्ट्री निकाल लिया तो भी काम तमाम हो जायेगा| उनका नाम क्या असल में रमेश, जगदीश था? वह सच में उस कम उम्र में ज्ञान में आये थे वगैरा|

इसके अलावा, कराची, सिंध से दादा लेखराज का परिवार की जानकारी, कोई पुराने फोटो वगैरा मिल जाए तो ख़त्म फिर| इसके लिए हमें पाकिस्तान जाने की भी जरुरत नहीं है| इंटरनेट का ज़माना है, घर बैठे फेसबुक वगैरा में एक ऐसा नेटवर्क बना दिया तो सारी जानकारी बैठे-बैठे मिलेंगी| सब हो जायेगा| लेकिन उससे पहले, BKs खुद ही अपनी मुँह से सब सच-सच बतादें तो कम से कम थोड़ी इज्जत बचेगी| बाकी, सच्चाई तो बाहर निकलेगी ही|

फिलहाल, पुराने पोस्टों का अंग्रेजी ट्रांसलेशन करेंगे संक्षिप्त में|

We are yet to translate the posts of this topic in English .
So, I would like to summarize the discussions under this topic briefly for English readers.
1. I think you have read the posts on Om Radhe Mama's re-birth, Subtle Region, Karmateet stage and Advance Party, which were already translated.
2. Later, we started off verifying the audio recordings of Murlis of so called BK's Brahma Baba.
3. We have explored some shocking incidents. It seems that these Murlis were not narrated by the so called BK's Brahma Baba. They were already narrated by someone else, who was real Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) and later, this duplicate one assumed the role of Brahma and started reading those pre-narrated Murlis in the daily classes. His versions were recorded in the audio format. The same were hidden by BKs since he left his corporeal body in 1969. Somehow, they were made available by the year, 2012.
4. It is difficult to provide the proofs to English readers, since the audio recordings are in Hind. If we translate the audios, they cannot be considered to be proofs in a pure form.
5. To summarize, as we verify a particular original Murli in it's paper form with it's corresponding audio recording, it is very much clear that, he is only reading it, these are not direct spoken versions.
6. The original Murlis are only 4-5 page in their paper form. Everyone including BKs follow these Murlis only. But if we type the audio recordings, they go beyond 10-12 pages. So, at least 60% is extra in the audios.
7. This so called Brahma mis-reads the things, as we observed while comparing the audio with it's corresponding paper form.
8. Sometimes, he entirely mis-interprets the original things present in the paper form of Murli.
9. The paper versions of Murlis are absolutely meaningful and maintained so well grammatically, but the audios are in contrast to the same.
10. In the audios, he even skips multiple lines in between. Many times, he finishes the Murli well before the last half a page.
11. So, it is impossible to imagine that BKs might have corrected the Murlis from the audio and typed. First of all, how can they ignore 60% of the God's versions in almost each Murli?
12. If BKs are capable of correcting the mistakes made by Brahma while typing the Murlis, then I don't think we need Brahma.
13. It is impossible to prepare so grammatically well written Murlis.
---To be continued

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 08 Nov 2019

After some research, this is what is found-
1. This Brahma of BKs, who left his body in 1969 and narrates Avyakt Murlis since then, is not the original Brahma. He is not Dada Lekhraj.
2. Because of some reasons, Dada Lekhraj left the Yagya around 1962 or he left his corporeal body around the same time.
3. The original Murlis were narrated by ShivBaba through that Dada Lekhraj Brahma.
4. Later, this Brahma of BKs assumed the position and he started reading the pre-narrated Murlis, acting as if he is the oiginal Brahma. The audio recordings of which are leaked only during 2012. BKs kept them hidden until then.
5. So, these audio recordings are not the actual Murlis narrated by Shiv.
6. Similarly, the original Mama was someone else. Also, the special children of Baba like Kumarika, Jagdish, Ramesh-Usha, Manohar, Mohini Didi etc were someone else.

BKs have only imitated everything. The actual Mama left her corporeal body before 1962 itself and Brahma also left around 1962.

So, where are the original Mama-Baba? We really don’t know. Then who are these duplicate Mama-Baba? Of course, we know and we will explain everything.

We will further analyze the proofs briefly.

Before that, let's ask BKs some basic questions-
1. BKs used to talk about someone called 'Piyu' and according to them, he used to read "Bhagwad Gita" when the Om Mandli started in Sindh Hyderabad. Later, as Baba Dixit enters the stage, they stopped talking about him. So, definitely there was someone else. He was not 'Piyu' actually, but BKs used to address him so. Actually, "Piyu" is ShivBaba.
But, why did they stop talking about him? That doesn't mean that Baba Dixit was right. Of course, it was not Sewakram. Everybody knows this. It is written clearly in a book published during the earlier period of Yagya by Anti-om Mandli that Sewakram, who was Dada Lekhraj's partner was actually younger than him. He was also a member of Anti-Mandli and he accused Dada Lekhraj, put up false allegations on him.
According to Murlis, Dada Lekhraj had read "Bhagwad Gita" all along his entire laukik life. Also, he knew "Jap-Saheb" and "Sukhmani" (the religious books of Sikh) by-heart.
So, when satsang started in Sindh Hyderabad, he used to read "Bhagwad-Gita" and give clarifications in the beginning and later he threw it when understood that it is a false scriptures as explained in multiple Murlis itself.

If BKs Brahma is that same personality, then why do they hide? Why don't they answer Baba Dixit?

2. Not just that. BKs were so afraid that they started creating false stories and published many literature like Adi-dev etc., When Baba Dixit started his group. Why? If your Brahma is the original one, why there is any need of hiding the things?
Remember that story, where BKs Baba goes into a room and sits, suddenly ShivBaba enters and the whole room becomes red, red rays start eminating through his eyes, then Shiv utters "...Nijananda roopam, Shivoham, Shivoham".
Come on, we cannot be so stupid. It's a common-sense and even said clearly in the Murlis that when Shiv entered in the earlier days or even while narrating the Murlis, nobody comes to know about it.
There are many such false stories. Narayan Dada (Laukik son of duplicate Brahma) says, his Father, whom he calls Dada Lekhraj, was the last son in the family. Even Manoj Kirpalani (son of Narayan Dada) says the same thing. But actually, he must be the second son and he had two more younger brothers.
Why Narayan Dada is lying on his own Father's history?

When Baba Dixit started his group, BKs were actually very much afraid. Which made Baba Dixit think that his story of Sewakram is actually true. But, BKs were afraid of something else. So, instead of explaining the reality of Sewakram and Dada Lekhraj to PBKs and Baba Dixit, they became busy in hiding their original secret. Every Murli is in the favour of BKs and Brahma. But, BKs even started editing the original Murlis, which they do even more nowadays.

By the way, Satsang was started in 1932 or even earlier. But why do BKs kept saying 1936? Om Mandli came into lime light by 1936-37, when Anti-Mandli started fighting. But, Dada Lekhraj had shut down his business in 1932 itself, after experiencing those visions. Read this book called "Is This Justice" by Om Radhe Mama and you will understand everything

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Post by xpbk » 08 Nov 2019

In this post, let us first understand the resources that are available, which we would use further to analyze the facts.
Hence, this is an important post.

As we already discussed earlier, BKs were hiding everything. Fortunately, because of some good people, some old Murlis, audio recordings, some books were discovered and made available to the public during 2012.

BKs were also trying to restrict them to not to share them with anyone. But, when the things were made public on some websites (http://www.bkdrluhar.com/ etc), later, even BKs uploaded them on their own website too as they had no other option.

Also, the PBKs uploaded them on their website. We will use PBKs website for our analysis and the links are as below,

Category A (Scanned Murlis):
These were original Murlis dated between 1964 and 1969. These were either type-written or cyclo-styled or hand-written. Scanned copies of those are available here.
http://www.adhyatmik-vidyalaya.com/ScanMurli.aspx

Category B:
These are computer-typed Murlis. We don't know who typed them. But, the same must have been typed in computer based on the scanned versions. These are available from 1958 to 1969.
http://www.adhyatmik-vidyalaya.com/MurliScript.aspx

Category C:
Audio recordings of duplicate Brahma Baba. These are definitely not the direct versions spoken by Shiv. Which, we will analyze and understand later. These are available from 1963 to 1969.
http://www.adhyatmik-vidyalaya.com/BrahmaBabaAudio.aspx

Category D:
PBKs have typed the whole audio recordings (Category C) and uploaded the scripts on their website. Because, they think that audios are the actual versions spoken by the God Shiv and hence are more valid according to them.

Some points to note:
1. Category A and Category B Murlis, the morning classes, are mostly 4 pages long and sometimes 3 pages and rarely 5 pages long,.
And the night classes are mostly single page Murli and rarely 2 pages long.
In Category D, the morning classes are 10-13 pages long and the night classes are sometimes 4-5 pages long.
2. There is no one-to-one mapping between Category A and Category B. Most of the Category A Murlis are available in Category B. There are some Murlis in Category B which are not available in Category A. There are many Murlis in Category A which are not available in Category B.

There are minor differences between the same dated Category A and Category B Murlis.

3. Category B Murlis are reader friendly. They are neat and readable.
4. Category A are more trustworthy.
5. Earlier, in Category D, scripts were available for all audio recordings. Later, PBKs removed the same for 1968, 1969 and some part of 1967 also for some selfish reason which we will discuss later if requried.
5. Unfortunately, all of these resources are available only in Hindi.
6. About a year ago, when I tried accessing a old Murli from BKs website, it was internally re-directed to PBKs website. Don't know if BKs and PBKs have joined hands together and but not showing it off to the world.

The path for the above resources is shown in the below screen shot.
First, go here- www.PBKs.info or www.adhyatmik-vidyalaya.com
And then select a link as below,
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"Murli Scripts" are Category B, "Scan Murli" are Category A and "Brahma Baba's Audio" are Category C.

For Category D, beside each audio recording file, the scripts are available in two different formats as shown below,
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Links for some books,
http://brahmakumaris.info/about/library/
Important books are "Om_Mandli_Report" by Anti-Om Mandli, "Is This Justice" by Om Radhe Mama, "An Reply to Is This Justice" by Anit-Om Mandli, "Dr BK Wendy Sargent Report" etc.

"An Reply to Is This Justice" is available since long back and this was re-published by BKs in 2011 or 2012. Hence, they must have definitely tampered the facts.

You will also find many photos of Mama-Baba, the children etc, of times ranging back from Sindh, Karachi to Mount Abu in the above forum/library. We require these photos later for our analysis.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 08 Nov 2019

[ जो सिर्फ हिंदी पढ़नेवाले है, उन्हें बता दे कि, इस टॉपिक में पहले लिखी गई बातों का ही सिर्फ अंग्रेजी अनुवाद किया जा रहा है फिलहाल| कोई नई बात नहीं लिखी जा रही है|]

Let us analyse the available facts. These were already shared in this same topic in Hindi (Hinglish) language. We are only translating them for English readers. There are few posts which were already translated which focus on things like 'Mama's re-birth', 'Subtle Region', 'Karmatit stage', 'Angelic stage', 'Advance Party', 'the journey of remembrance' etc.

Next important part of this research is to verify the 'audio recordings' of so called BKs Brahma Baba with their corresponding paper Murlis and to understand which of them came first.

Few such audio recordings were discussed earlier, and the discussion was also translated in English language. You may search for S.M.25.5.68.A.M, S.M.1.3.68.A.M and (a part of) S.M.14.4.68.AM. They are available on 1st/2nd page of this topic.

Next Proof on Brahma baba's Audio recording v/s paper Murli- S.M.14.4.68.A.M:

Paper Murli (in Hindi): http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/610.pdf

Revised Murli (in English) : http://www.bkmurlitoday.com/2019/03/bra ... glish.html

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/36.mp3

1. In the paper Murli, 18th line from the down in page 2, it says "It takes time to learn all of these things".

In the audio, at around 20.10 mins, he doesn't say anything regarding 'studies' or 'learning'. He mis-understood while he reads the paper and says 'it takes so much time to explain to the people'. Because, just before this line in the paper Murli, you will find this '....give lectures on them'. So he just mixed up everything.
Hence this proves that he is not the original Dada Lekhraj or Brahma who narrated the Murlis. He is only reading them.

2. Little further in the paper Murli, it says 'The forehead is the throne of the soul. This is why “The Lucky Chariot” has been remembered'.
Which actually says that 'The Lucky Chariot' is famous'.

In the audio, at 20.45 mins, he just says 'the throne is in the middle of the forehead'. He did not read it correctly.
Then, how come we have those lines in the paper Murli, which are actually so correct?

3. This one is important. Little further in the paper Murli, it says "Baba is here and the brother (Brahma’s soul) is also here".

In the audio, at 21.38 min, he doesn't read it fully. He just says 'The Father takes (or enters) the Chariot of the brother'.
So, is it because, ShivBaba is not present in him and hence he is afraid of reading it?


Please note that references of page number and line number of the paper Murli, which are provided here, are based on original Hindi Murli. Also note that audio recordings are available only in Hindi language.

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Post by xpbk » 09 Nov 2019

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Audio recordings v/s paper Murli- S.M.14.4.68.A.M
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There are many more proofs in the same class which we discussed in the last post. Please refer the links provided in the last post for audio class, paper Murli and revised Murli.

4. In the paper Murli, it is said "It is a little difficult for those who live at home with their families to maintain this stage".

In the audio at 22.15 mins, he did not read this line and instead, he talks about getting trapped in name and form.
So, if this audio is real, then who added those lines in the paper Murli which never appeared in the audio?

5. In the paper Murli, it is said "You will be able to forget bodies and just remember the Father".
In the audio at 22.50 mins, he does not even read this fully.

6. In the paper Murli, it is written in page 3 on 17th and 18th line,
"Baba has seen that, when those who have the aim of merging into the brahm element leave their bodies..."
Actually, it is something which the corporeal Baba has seen in his real life.

In the audio at 28.08 mins, he says 'Baba has explained', instead of 'Baba has seen'. As if Shiv is talking. In the paper Murli (in Hindi version), it again says "Baba has seen', which he does not read it in the audio again. But after this, he explains his experience of seeing someone merging into the brahm element in Sindh in the audio and this part is not at all present in the paper Murli.

This is something which happens in the audios so oftenly. To prove himself to be Brahma and to prove that Murli is talking about him only, he keeps explaining many things here and there and none of which actually appear in the paper Murli.

7.In the paper Murli it is written in page 3 at 3rd line from the bottom, 'What benefit is there in explaining so much? The Father says: Manmanabhav!'.

In the audio, it was supposed to be said between 33.45 mins and 34.10 mins. But he skipped it. This BKs Baba starts sharing some old experiences of yagy, specially from 35.35 mins., which do not appear in the paper Murli.
Why there is so much of difference? The things which were never said in the audio are present in the paper Murli. Those which he speaks in the audio are entirely absent in the paper Murli.

Which clearly shows that audio recordings are not direct Murlis spoken by Shiv.

8. In the paper Murli, it is written in page 1 at line no. 7, "There, there is no death". Here, the Murli is talking about the Golden Age.

In the audio at 1.43 mins, he says 'There is no such thing as death (or Dharamraj as shown in the scriptures), but still Baba just explains it.

There is no connection between the audio and paper Murli here. This line which he said in the audio, appears in some other paper Murli. There, this is said for Copper Age and Iron age, that there is actually no one called Kaal (Dharmraj) during that period of drama. It is written in the scriptures, so Baba also simply uses it to explain.
But why this BK Baba is repeating it here? Which means, he did not read the paper Murli with focus while this audio class was going on and by just looking at the word Kaal (Death), he starts saying something else which has heard before in the Murlis itself.


Please note,
1.References of page number and line number of the paper Murli, which are provided here, are based on original Hindi Murli.
2. Audio recordings are available only in Hindi language.
3. The lines quoted here from the paper Murli are actually taken from revised Murli (English) and not translated by us. This helps readers in finding out the exact line in the revised Murli.

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Re: Murli points which influenced a PBK to become an Ex-PBK

Post by xpbk » 10 Nov 2019

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Audio recordings v/s paper Murli- S.M.14.4.68.A.M
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Few more in S.M.14.4.68.A.M,
9. In the paper Murli in page no.1 at line no. 16, it is written "Understanding (SAMAJH in Hindi) is also called insight."

In the audio at 4.13 mins, he reads "SAMAJH" as "SAMJHO". May be, he did not understand the sentence. "SAMAJHO" in Hindi is a verbal form of the word 'Understand'. But, in the paper Murli it is a noun.

So, the things are incorrect in the audio recordings. Do you think that people who typed the Murli, they have even corrected them? If your answer is yes, let me ask you, then why do we need Brahma when BKs or those who typed the Murlis are smarter than Brahma?

10. This is tricky. In the paper Murli in page no.1, there 3 such instances where the word 'Topic' appears and which the BKs Baba does not read it in the audio.

Because of incorrect translation, we cannot map these instances exactly in revised English Murli.

This word appears in the beginning of line no. 23, beginning of line no. 28 and in the middle line no. 28 .

In the audio, @6.30 mins, he says 'This also needs to be written' and the paper Murli says 'This is a good Topic'.
In the audio , @7.35 mins, he says 'speech on this' and the paper Murli says 'This is also a Topic'.
In the audio, @7.40 mins, he says '(people) when they just listen to this' and the paper Murli says 'They will be happy when they listen to this topic'.
[Here, the quotes for the paper Murli are the actual translations of the original Hindi Murli and not taken from the revised English Murli]

Approximate mapping in the revised English Murli for the word 'Topic',
rev_eng_topic.PNG

Why he missed it in the audio? See, it's a common sense.
Let's say I am reading some Hindi scripts in which I come across an English word, which is written in Hindi script. Obviously, I do get confused though I know English as well, which happens oftenly.
Or let's say someone from the US is reading an article in English and he comes across a Hindi word which is written in English script, for eg. 'SAMAJH', 'PUNARJANM (meaning re-birth)'. So he will get confused. These are practical examples.

So think of this BKs Baba, he has to read it live and if he gets confused . Hence, he just tried to complete the sentences somehow with alternate words.

But then, who added them in the paper Murli, when they do not appear in the audio?
Which clearly proves that paper Murli were narrated much before, through someone else and this duplicate Brahma of BKs is only reading them in the audio. We don't need any other better example than this to understand this fact, do we?

Please note,
1.References of page number and line number of the paper Murli, which are provided here, are based on original Hindi Murli.
2. Audio recordings are available only in Hindi language.
3. The lines quoted here from the paper Murli are actually taken from revised Murli (English) and not translated by us. This helps readers in finding out the exact line in the revised Murli [Except for point no. 10 which talks on the word 'Topic' ].

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Post by xpbk » 11 Nov 2019

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[ जो सिर्फ हिंदी पढ़नेवाले है, उन्हें बता दें कि, इस टॉपिक में पहले लिखी गई बातों का ही सिर्फ अंग्रेजी अनुवाद किया जा रहा है फिलहाल| कोई नई बात नहीं लिखी जा रही है ]
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Audio recordings v/s paper Murli
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I forgot to mention something in the last post.
We were discussing in point no.10 on how he skips the word 'Topic' as he did not understand it while reading the Murli. Because, 'Topic' is an English word and there, it is written in Hindi script as 'टॉपिक'.

But, soon after he skips it for the third time in the audio, he uses this word in the audio. But, when he says 'topic' in the audio, there, he is not reading it from the Murli. Because, at that point of time, this word does not appear in the Paper Murli.
Which means, somehow it just comes back to his mind that the word which he was not able to read earlier is actually 'Topic'. So he just repeats here.

Next class, S.M.25.1.68.A.M:
Links for the audio and paper Murli are given below,

Audio link for 25.1.68.AM : http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/111.mp3

link for paper Murli, 25.1.68.A.M : http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/490.pdf

We do not have English translation for this.

In the paper Murli, in page 1 and 8th line from the bottom, it says "Not everybody will have full knowledge".

In the audio at 8.39 mins, he mis-reads it as, "Nobody can pass (the exam) fully".
Which is utterly false. Do you still believe that ShivBaba was talking through him?

It's a very common statement in the Murlis which says 'someone will pass the exam with full marks, some with lesser and so on'.
It was never said that nobody will pass the exam fully.
And moreover, paper Murli is not saying anything about passing the exam here. It says 'Not everybody will have full knowledge'. This also means, we are all number-wise. Somebody will have full knowledge and some will have lesser. It doesn't either mean that 'Nobody will have full knowledge'.

Next class, S.M.5.3.68.AM:
Links for the audio, paper Murli and revised English Murli are given below,

Audio link: http://www.PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/1968/28.mp3

Link for paper: http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/541.pdf

It is written in the paper Murli in page 2 and line 19, "The Children in Farrukhabad have sent the sample of pamphlets to Baba immediately".

Don't try to find it in the revised Murli. They have removed this section entirely. And we just rely on these revised Murlis blindly and completely. We even love them for providing us daily Murlis and hence we also pay them lot of money in the name of service or ShivBaba. How strange and dangerous!

In the audio at 13.20 mins, he does not say the name of Farrukhabad.

It is also written in the paper Murli that Baba (ShivBaba) asked to prepare some pamphlets, but, the children in Bombay, Calcutta and Delhi haven't understood. But those in Farrukhabad have sent it quickly.

In the audio, he even says 'nobody in Bombay, Delhi and Calcutta have understood'. But he just doesn't say anything about 'Farrukhabad'.
Why? Because, this is some real incident which happened around the period when this Murli was actually narrated. Back then, Baba actually asked the children to send the sample of pamphlets and the children from Farrukhabad had actually sent the sample to Baba.

This is not happening around 5.3.68 when he is reading this Murli. If he reads that sentence, everybody will get confused. Here, neither Baba asked for the samples nor the children from Farrukhabad have sent them. So he just skips 'Farrukhabad'. And hence again, it proves that these are not the direct Murlis. Paper Murli is the original and direct Murlis narrated by Shiv.


Please note,
1.References of page number and line number of the paper Murli, which are provided here, are based on original Hindi Murli.
2. Audio recordings are available only in Hindi language.
3. The lines quoted here from the paper Murli are actually translated by us from the original Hindi Murli and not taken from revised English Murli.

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