arjun wrote:Om Shanti. You are free to have your own views but I feel that your views are not completely unbiased. ...
I appreciate your efforts. Thank you for a reply. I think that there are chances that the public will not be satisfied, because the way PBKs deal with the issue is strange and doesn't look as credible. Why couldn't the issue be solved in a clear way earlier?
My aim is to become unbiased. I went thourogly through the two topics connected with this educational affair in the forum and analysed them. I came to a conclusion that it is PBKs fault. PBKs caused that irritation, because they don't provide with clear and single minded answers and additionaly endlessly compare themselves with BKs "you see, we give answers, we try, we do this we do that, BKs remain silent in such situations...." I do not blame PBKs (as you said blaming me at the same time) but openly say that they don't give clear answers in the topic of Education. It is a fact. I don't support satyaprakash, but show you what may raise anger in people. Instead of so many words posted here, it is better to state "we don't know, Baba hasn't give any answers to us".
You demand praise and appreciation for what you and PBKs do (you said so in your post). Brother, tell me why? You do what you think is good, why do you demand appreciation? And appreciation for what exactly? For actions that raise fire and lead satyaprakash to irritation and frustration? A simple curriculum would have been fair enough, but you and the other student posted some contradictory information - it caused more irritation than ever. Please look at all the story in an unbiased way
(SIC :laugh: ) You keep comparing AIVV with BK all the time as if AIVV had value only in the comparision with BK. It is better to compare onself with those who follow higher standards than us, not with those who follow lower standars.
Could you please explain to me what gives you authority to ask people to reveal their identity to you? You said that you asked satyaprakash for this. You also asked me to reveal my details to you. Dear arjuna, please reveal your details first and show your right to ask people for revealing their details to you or through you. I asked once Sach_Khad for giving his data openly in the phorum when he accused Baba Virendra Dixit without providing with evidence. I think that it was wrong - this forum is not created like this, so that people would speak openly and there are also some more reasons.
arjun wrote:It it true that the biography of Baba is not so clear. I have already stated on this forum that this book was originally written by a PBK in an amateur or unprofessional way, but as there were not many good writers at that time in AIVV, whatever he wrote must have been published after being corrected by Baba. It was basically written for PBKs I suppose. A few years ago the book was revised by improving its language and contents. But it was published long before the present controversy emerged on this forum. It must have been thought that the information provided in the book must be enough.
Brother, there is a saying in laukik world - "The guilty one always excuses himself and looks for justification." This is exactly what you have been doing. Instead of a simple statement that the biography contains mistakes, you are trying to show excuses and find justification. The facts are such that I have had a chance to read the newest version of that biography, completely new - the same mistakes remained and it became even more hagiographic.
arjun wrote:When satyaprakash started this topic and also the defamation of Baba and PBKs that followed it, I wrote to Baba and also conveyed his reply on this forum. Since satyaprakash was not satisfied ak1972 made individual efforts to know more about Baba's Ph.D and presented some facts before all of us. But instead of appreciating the pains taken by ak1972, satyaprakash came down heavily on Baba and ak1972 and the PBKs.
I find very often in your post that kind of thinking - "those ones are bad, those who defame". And again - a demand of appreciation. This is what may irritate people . Maybe it would be interesting for you to know what is defamation. It is an abusive attack on a person's character or good name done usually without evidences done on purpose to destroy his name. PBKs overuse and misuse this term causing defamation of those whom they point at as those who defame them. They forget that people here make statements based on how PBKs act and those acts become proofs. People make conclusions based on facts delivered by PBKs themselves. So, is not it like that PBKs defame? Funny, is not it? But very simple. And another habit of PBKs in conversations are statements containing presupositions that the other part is somehow responsible for the entire mess An example: "Since satyaprakash was not satisfied...." Dear Brother, why do you presuppose that he should be satisfied when he receives ambiguous and some contradictory information in pieces?
If a PBK reacts to some question, he should remember that if he cannot provide with a clear, single minded and transparent answer based on facts not on hypothesis, he will stir up negative feelings. Why? Becasue PBKs have been laudly condemning BKs for not giving clear, single-minded and transparent answers. If someone points at others' loops and he himself does something similar, he behaves like the one who sees a splinter in someone's eyes and doesn't see a timber in his eye. It is not eough to say that contrary to BKs we at least participate in this forum and give answers. We should take full responsibility and care of what kind of answers we give. There are not stupid questions, there are plenty stupid answers. Any change starts from home.
This is what is behind my previous post in this section called by you
arjun wrote:not completely unbiased
Hope things are clear. :D