paulkershaw wrote: And Sanjeev, when I post about 'Truth' (with a capital T by the way) at least I know it's ever changing and growing and I don't have to post inane comments just to try and prove something.
Then why have you written such a long reply? Why for?
It's a sign when abuse and anger appears that one's truth is being challenged and that soon one will have to re-think ones position and beliefs.
Are you re-thinking? Anyway, just a joke. But I do not agree with your conclusion. Abuse and anger does not appear when someone's Truth is challenged. It occurs when a person is not confident about one's own Truth and someone shows error in his/her Truth. But still if someone is a real Seeker then he never abuse or get angry but happily discusses the pros and cons of the topic. But I did not get such a response in the issues I raised.
Even if you think it could be rubbish, others may agree - or may not, thats called discussion, you present aggressive argument most of the time.
Actually, it was not me who was aggressive. The topics, especially those two (Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? and Arjun, Veerendra Dev Dixit & PBKs are Deceivers. Shame on you!) made the repliers defensive and aggressive. I had to answer most of them so that I could explain them the reason for raising those issues in this forum. I request you to read those posts once again. It was necessary for me to use words like deceivers, shameless, foolish etc, because I could not find any civilised, well-mannered words to convey my thoughts. Now if someone steals, will you not call him thief? Is there any civilised word to convey your thought?
This forum is about assisting and guiding (that includes every forum posters ...) through independent discussion and interaction what life is like from both within and after belonging to the BK sect, in it's various forms. It grows organically, not individually.
I hope most of the members stick to this idea.
I note that you post as an ex-PBK, so I to could ask where does that place your 'Truth' nowadays?
Does affiliation changes Truth? I did not think so. Our thinking changes as we grow. And growing is not something to be ashamed of.
Many ex-BKs, including myself, have posted our opinions, facts and truths in many various forms since joining and can be found with a little forum searching.
Why should I? I am not interested.
If you are truly an ex-PBK, then please tell us why you left the PBK system? What exactly it is that you did and did not enjoy during your time with them, and you may find that not so many challenges are levied at you.
What do you mean by the words made bold? I am not worried or afraid of your challenges levied at me. I did not like your way of asking me about my experience as PBK.
After all, the core experience on this forum is about sharing,
Fine. But I have alread tasted the sour responses for posting my true feelings.
not aggressively posting one's own 'opinion' to the demanding exclusion of anyone else's ideals.
My only post which seems agressive is "Arjun, Veerendra Dev Dixit & PBKs are Deceivers. Shame on you!". And I have already explained the reason behind using harsh words.
No one is 100% right but most certainly no-one is 100% wrong either.
No one is Always Right and no one is Always Wrong. But anyone can be 100% Right sometimes and 100% Wrong sometimes.
I do feel though that as a person you're pretty angry
Just read the responses I am getting and my replies to them. If I am an angry and imbalanced person I could not have been able to respond so logically. We are logical only when we are cool.
and your demanding approach to the forum suggests that maybe you could let us all know your exact experience (so we can perhaps understand the space where you're coming from ...) and this could be shared in honest and open discussion, instead of trying to cower us as you see fit.
I could not understand the meaning of the words in brackets, please write in simple words.
Regarding my approach to the forum, if you consider me demanding because I questioned and needed answer from PBKs to the issue I have raised, then please tell me whether asking questions regarding our doubts is forbidden in this forum? Yes, I had a feeling about Virendra Dev Dixit's personal life and I asked for an answer to my query. Arjun has given me email ID of PBKs and have sent my query on 26th June but still have not got an answer to my query. I was not asking any proof or explanation, just a simple but confident "YES" or "NO". But still I have not got an answer. Neither directly from PBK's email ID nor from any PBK on this forum.
Please read my post ("Arjun, Veerendra Dev Dixit & PBKs are Deceivers. Shame on you!" in The Commonroom) forgetting who has posted it and who is alleged. Be impartial and tell me whether my allegation is irrational and absurd?
Are you in fact angry at the PBKs for what you experienced with them, hence your attacks on people who do not 'agree' with you or your approach?
I am not such a weak and senseless person as you think. And I have not reacted or jumped to a conclusion without patience. As I have already written in another thread, I have come to BK knowledge in 1989-90 and have been to Kampil first time in January 1993 and my last visit was in July 2005 (visited about nine times). I am not angry for Virendra Dev Dixit's actions nor actions of his followers. They will eat the fruits of their deeds. And I mine. I just want to understand the Knowledge given in Murlis and help other interested people to understand. But I am not insisting or forcing my feelings and understanding on others. If you can explain Murli points I am ready to accept. If you show mistakes in my understanding of Murlis I will try to analyse them afresh and try to understand them correctly.
At the end of the day, you will only receive back that what you put in - and in exact order for one to see one's truth just at the right time.
But I have not received back what I put in. People like you can use Vulgar words in return to my abusive words. But you people have not returned my intentions. To understand someone, you have to be of his kind.
And that is not simple idle gossip - but well ... oh yes, Truth ... and to write thw words that follow which you have, even if its because of poor English, and I quote your post: "it is of no use in writing amongst such people" ... means that you do not see yourself as anything or anyone in alignment with whatever anyone believes or says here on this forum and therefore you may feel that you do not belong.
Your taunting me makes no difference. My English is not so poor that I cannot understand simple English sentences. But, yes, I cannot understand some difficult words which are used rarely. And also I cannot understand English phrases, idioms properly.
Most of the active members here can be categorised into two groups. (1) People like Arjun who are more interested in propagating what Virendra Dev Dixit says, and do not want to analyse and think rationally. They even cannot churn Murli points without being prejudiced. (2) People like you who have faith neither in Brahma Baba nor in Virendra Dev Dixit. Such people even do not have faith in Murlis. They are more interested in finding something to defame both BKWSU and AIVV and make fun of heads and followers of these institutions.
There are also few active members who are interested in churning Murlis and understanding them with open mind. Although they propose some theory, they are not stubborn. They can question themselves if some Murli points go against their belief. And they are eager to understand Murlis correctly.
It is your approach that that therefore needs to change,
Read your replies to my posts and you will know who needs to change.
as many of us feel that we do belong here and recognise our space herein - if you do not feel welcome then that is up to you. It is of course totally up to you to decide if you want to stay or go, it's a free world after all.
Well, surely it is a free world. That's the reason I am here even though ex-I asked me stressingly to go. Although people like you are displeased with me I have to write what is needed. There was no reason to mock me for my simple and realistic statement and start chain of arguments. It was just unnecessary.
(on 23 Jul 2008) Oh, so there is this now coming out the woodwork; "And I believe The Ultimate Truth will be revealed to me soon". Different levels of truth that take one so long to discover and find for one-self? and finally we have one called "Ultimate" - which is much deeper and higher than the other truths you've discovered all this time ... Many others may choose to see and live their truth in the moment and not search constantly for it in some embattled and strange way as I read is happening in your posting.
Never mind, your next birth will be easier; better and less traumatic - so "carry on charlie" and wait around for all of that to happen, and see if your truth will be known.
We had a story in text of our school. Five blind people went to know how an elephant is. Each one touched and felt different parts like legs, trunk, tail, etc., and started to propose their respective theories on how an elephant is. They argued a lot and finally a man who had proper eyes came and heard their theories and explained them their flaws in understanding elephant and how each were correct in theor own limited way but did not know THE ULTIMATE TRUTH of an elephant.
Similiarly I had written that one fine day I too will come to know THE ULTIMATE TRUTH in Murlis. I had not insisted that What I am writing now is THE ULTIMATE TRUTH. But still you used such a simple statement written by me to mock me and expressed your pseudo-sympathy (words made bold) towards what I had written about my unpleasant experiences in my family life. Are you not ashamed of this? You better learn manners and exhibit True spirit of group discussion.