In one of above posts fluffy-bunny asked about things that I have studied in the past. Fluffy-bunny asked whether any PBK was in Russia or any other communists countries. Yes, I was. I lived in communist coutries for some time, I visited Russia, studies their culture, literature, history. I also lived in China for some time. I would like to answer some of your questions; maybe it would be better to say I would like to share my experience.
Russia (a country) has nothing to do with what is taught in the Advanced Knowledge. People in Russia were Christians and they are Christians till today. They belong to the most orthodox part of Christianity - the eastern church. Till the arrival of communism, most Russians were Christians. After the Great Revolution (NOMEN OMEN), people were discouraged from practicing religious rites, because the politicians at that time wanted to make the nation free from the past. Nevertherless, the religion in the nation survived and today up to 70 % of Russians declare that they believe in God.
The killing of czars (Russian kings) was not the first incident of this kind in teh history. Bolsheviks followed French people. The French revolution was a kind of example for Bolsheviks. Teaching that the Russians communists were first who killed their kings and established a new system doesn't correspond with history. One of the first incidents of this type was in Ancient Greek, before Drakon established his laws (accord. to history VII C BC).
It was taught by Baba in AIVV that in the communist Russia children were owned by the government. This is not a historical fact. The communist government in Russia never established such a law and never forced parents to send their children somewhere far to government institutions. Yes, communists insisted children belonged to special organisations when they went to school, but it was not that they were separated from their family and did not know their parents. In the Bolshevist Russia there were also homeless children. Like in India today and earlier. The Bolshevist government took those children and put them in special dormitories connected with schools for education and political indoctrination. Those children did not know their parents in the same way as the homeless kids in India do not know who are their mother and Father.
So, the image of Russia taught in AIVV is different from that Russia - a country.
Another thing is the question of communism and atheism. These two terms have been used in Baba's teachings as synonims. Meaning a communist is an atheist and the other way round. And he connects both these terms with Russians. So, economy, religion and politics become here mixed. Baba never said that he uses these terms in different meanings from their original ones. It doesn't make things easy to understand. Communism has its deep roots in the idea of Utopia based on common ownership of property, whose rulers administrated it through the application of reason. This pattern of adminitration is common is Asian agricultural societies - for example in China and Japan local societies used to live like this to a certain extent. Jewish Kibbutz ( a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture) is an example of a perfect communistic organisation. Finally, the BKIVV and AIVV themselves that is the Yagya itself from its very beginning was has been organised on the communistic basis - all goods belong to the Yagya along with the body and mind and intellect of a person and whatever he has. In the outside world he communistic organisation demands obedience and being surrendered to it. The same can be obsereved in the Yagya. In an orthodox communistic societies goods are distributes equally to all members, they do not posses anything private, all live in a common place and the have to ask for permission to do anything. They are not allowed to do anything in private, anything that could be against the common rules. The Yagya is based on the same system.
Now, regarding the Communists in Russia, they transformed the economic thought into the tool of destruction and political violence. But the communistic regime in Russia, however stained with blood, is really nothing when we compare it with what happened in China or Cambodia. It were Chinese communistic leaders who brought about mass burning of all national goods like books, scriptures, pieces of art and so on. They, not Russians, demanded parents to surrender their children to the government. They sent people to adults and children to labor camps. Indeed, in China children were owned by government. If anyone would like to study these issues more, I can provide with sources. The path of family was totally broken in China. The same happened in Cambodia. Religion in China suffered a lot during communistic times. Although it has been taught in AIVV that China is a Buddhist country, it was never totally Buddhist. Nowaday, China is mostly atheist or maybe better say agnostic (up to 60%). In the past China was Thaoistic and Confucian and after that Buddhist, but only to a certain extent.
So, when we go through some historical facts, it becomes clear that communism and atheism are two separate things. The idea of communism was "created" in ancient times. In Europe, it was Sparta; in Asia - Iran. The idea of paradise is a pure implementation of communistic ideas. Then, atheism was born before Buddha in India, before it was formulated in Europe. Buddhism itself is deeply atheistic. And in fact the Buddhist countries: China, Cambodia turned to be fields of the most cruel implementation of communism and atheism at the same time.
Now, who are all of them; are they some souls in the Yagya? According to Gyan propagated by AIVV the outside world is the reflection of what happens in the Yagya, in the Brahmin world. So, in other words, whatever happens in the Brahmin family in AIVV (seed souls), the same happens in the world of BK (root souls) and in the outside world. There should be a strict correlation between the words. There are living souls which are seeds and roots (seeds among PBKs and roots among BKs) which are living representation of atheism and 9 dharms (religions). In the past in AIVV atheism used to be called dharm (religion), now it is called adharm (anti religion). But it has been never explained why we are taught that atheism and communism and Russians are the same. Regarding all these things explained here the outside world displays a different patterns from that taught in the Yagya.
In the Yagya there should be seed souls and root souls of Lenin, Stalin and others. For example it has been taught in the AIVV that there is a seed soul in the Yagya playing the role of the physical Father of Wladimir Ilic Uliyanov, there is a root soul playing the role of Wladimir Ilic Uliyanov, and the soul of Lenin enters him in a certain age. The soul playing the role of Lenin comes from Paramdham and enters the body of Wladimir Ilic Uliyanov, influences him and pulls him toward new "dharm". Usually that moment of a new soul's entrance is marked by some special event in the life of that Chariot-soul, like travel and name change and becoming famous. In this case, Wladimir Ilic Uliyanov starts developing interest in marxism, later calls himself Wladimir Lenin and some major changes in him were also marked by meeting with Nikolaj Chernishevskiy.
The role of granfather of Wladimir Ilic Uliyanov was played by Prajapita's soul, meaning the soul which in this life is called Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. This is what AIVV officially teach. I posted some questions which arose in relation to Prajapita's being granpa of Lenin here: http://bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2214
andrey wrote:Maybe also this is attributive to communism - the mass production, the big stores, and big buildings where diferent people who has no connection with one another live together, hostels etc. where you can hear through the walls when the neighbour switcehs on the tv, when he opens and closes doors, when they talk amongs themselves when he swithces on the tap.
This is a totally wrong judgement. Andrey Bhai, please come to India and live in India for some time. You will understand better through your experience what it means hearing your neighbours, when they open tv, open and close doors and so on. Or better go to China. If you like to experience mass production, big buildings and so on go a rich capitalist country. Communism has nothing to do with these things. Communism was propagated as hope for the poor and uneducated people, who were slaves of the monarchic and feudal system and who were also victims of mass production that started and had no hope in life, who had to work 16 hours a day for free or few coins to sustain monarchy meaning kings. The problem that those who propagated communism became "bloody kings" themselves.
buttonslammer wrote:Where did this atheist dharm emerge from? It is the creation (srijan) of those souls in the atheist religion, who don’t remain fixed in any religion. They stick to where they see the opportunity. Opportunists. Where they saw: “something good came”, they chose that path. What do today’s politicians do? They check which party has more power they get converted immediately, they change the wing.
There are classes in which exactly the same was taught about the Arya Samaji. In the class of the Kalpa Vriksha, Arya Samaji are described as the souls which pass through all religions, they don't remain in any religion and are opportunist. So, how can the same apply to both atheists and arya samaji?