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Post by Golden Heart » 16 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 17.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
गृहस्थ व्यवहार में रहते कमल फूल समान पवित्र हो रहना है। तोड़ जरूर निभाना है। अगर तोड़ नहीं निभाते हो, तो जैसे सन्यासियों मिसल हो जाते। वह तोड़ नहीं निभाते हैं, तो उनको निवृत्ति मार्ग, हठयोग कहा जाता है। सन्यासियों द्वारा जो सिखलाया जाता है, वह है हठयोग। हम राजयोग सीखते हैं, जो भगवान् सिखलाते हैं। ... वह (सन्यासी) कभी राजयोग सिखला न सकें। न बाप कभी हठयोग सिखला सकते, न सन्यासी कभी राजयोग सिखला सकते। यह समझने की बात है।
“You must remain as pure as a Lotus flower, while living within the house-hold. You definitely have to fulfill your (house-hold) responsibilities. If You do not fulfill your responsibilities, You would be like the sannyasis. Because they do not fulfill their (house-hold) responsibilities, they are called those who belong to the ‘path of isolation’, those who practise ‘hatha Yoga’. Whatever is taught by sannyasis is called ‘hatha Yoga’; whereas You are Studying RajYog, which is taught by God (‘Bhagwan’). ... They (sannyasis) can never teach RajYog. Neither does the Father (Shiva) ever teach ‘hatha Yoga’; nor can the sannyasis ever teach RajYog. This an aspect which has to be understood.

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God TEACHES RajYog to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, in Confluence Age!

Shankaracharya CANNOT teach RajYog; NOR does the subtle Deity Shankar of the Subtle Region, ever come to this corporeal sphere to enact ANY corporeal role, through ANY corporeal body of ANY embodied soul, like Shiva does!


सन्यासी कोई प्रवृत्ति मार्ग वाले नहीं हैं, उन्हों का है हठयोग। घरबार छोड़ जंगल में बैठना, उनको जन्म बाई जन्म सन्यास करना पड़ता है। तुम गृहस्थ व्यवहार में रहते, एक बार सन्यास करते हो, फिर 21 जन्म उसकी प्रालब्ध पाते हो। उनका है हद का सन्यास और हठयोग, तुम्हारा है बेहद का सन्यास और राजयोग। वह तो गृहस्थ व्यवहार छोड़ देते हैं। राजयोग का तो बहुत गायन है। भगवान् ने राजयोग सिखलाया, तो भगवान् जरूर ऊंच ते ऊंच को ही कहेंगे।
“ Sannyasis do not belong to the house-hold path. Their path is of ‘hatha Yoga’. They abandon their house-hold, and go and live in the forests, and so they have to become renunciates for birth after birth; whereas, You live within your house-hold, and renounce everything once (for one birth), and You receive the reward of that for 21 births. Their renunciation is limited and they practise ‘hatha Yoga’. Your renunciation is Unlimited and You practise RajYog. They renounce their house-hold and business. RajYog is praised a great deal. God (‘Bhagwan’) taught RajYog, and so God (‘Bhagwan’) would definitely be called the ‘Highest-on-High’.

ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE – can be called the ‘Highest-on-High’ Bhagwan (God).

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’) & ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’ - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 17 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 18.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
भारत पावन दुनिया अर्थात् देवी-देवताओं का राज्य था, इन लक्ष्मी-नारायण का राज्य था। बड़े धनवान, सुखी थे, परन्तु भारतवासी इन बातों को समझते नहीं। बाप, परमपिता अथवा रचता को ही नहीं जानते। मनुष्य ही जान सकते हैं, जानवर तो नहीं जानेंगे ना? याद भी करते हैं - हे परमपिता परमात्मा। वह पारलौकिक फादर है। आत्मा याद करती है, अपने परमपिता परमात्मा को। इस शरीर को जन्म देने वाला तो लौकिक फादर है, और वह परमपिता परमात्मा है पारलौकिक फादर, आत्माओं का बाप।
“Bharat was the pure World, that is, it was the Kingdom of the Deities; it was the Kingdom of Lakshmi and Narayan. They were very wealthy and Happy, but the people of Bharat do not understand these aspects. They do not know the Father, the Supreme Father, the Creator. ONLY human beings can know this; animals would not know this. They even remember: ‘O Supreme Father Supreme Soul’! He is the ‘Parlokik’ Father (from beyond). The soul remembers his Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva). The corporeal father gives birth to this body; whereas, that Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva) is the ‘Parlokik’ Father (from beyond), who is the Father of souls.

The BLIND Unrighteous children - who have been TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, by THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATING them with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - DO NOT know, and hence they CANNOT Re-Cognize, REAL-EYEs, or EXPERIENCE the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God!


गॉड फादर तो जरूर निराकार हुआ ना। हमारी आत्मा भी निराकार है ना। यहाँ आकर साकार बनी है। यह थोड़ी-सी बात भी कोई की बुद्धि में नहीं आती। ... शरीर विनाशी है, आत्मा अविनाशी है। उस परमपिता परमात्मा की सन्तान है। कितनी सहज बात है। परन्तु अच्छे-अच्छे बुद्धिवान समझ नहीं सकते। माया ने बुद्धि को ताला लगा दिया है। तुमको अपनी आत्मा का ही साक्षात्कार नहीं होता है।
God Father would definitely be the Incorporeal One. We souls are also incorporeal. We became corporeal after coming here. Even this very small aspect does not enter anyone's intellect. ... The body is perishable, whereas the imperishable soul is a Child of that Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva). This is such an easy aspect, but even very good intellectuals are are unable to understand. Maya has locked their intellects. You cannot even have a vision of yourself, the soul.”

The intellects of the BLIND Unrighteous children get LOCKED, AFTER EXPOSING their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – AFTER which, they are UNABLE to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of their ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Incorporeal God Father Shiva – as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves ALSO as souls – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy!


जगत अम्बा और जगत पिता बैठे हैं, राजयोग सीख रहे हैं। ... यह देलवाड़ा मन्दिर तुम्हारा अभी का यादगार बना हुआ है। तुम राजयोगी हो। अधरकुमार, कुमार कुमारियां, सब यहाँ बैठे हो, उनका यादगार फिर भक्ति में बनता है। ... यह आदि देव और आदि देवी भी राजयोग सीख रहे हैं। यह भी याद करेंगे उस निराकार परमपिता परमात्मा को। वह है ऊंच ते ऊंच ज्ञान सागर। इस आदि देव के शरीर में बैठ सब बच्चों को समझाते हैं। ...
आदि देव और आदि देवी के मन्दिर भी हैं। तुम उनके बच्चे यहाँ राजयोग सीख रहे हो। यहाँ ही तुमने तपस्या की थी, तुम्हारा यादगार सामने खड़ा है।
JagadAmba (Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe), and JagadPita (Brahma Baba or soul of DLR) are sitting here; they are Studying RajYog. ... This Dilwala Temple is the memorial of your PRESENT time. You are RajYogis. ‘Adhar-kumars’ (married males), ‘kumars’ (bachelors) & kumaris (spinsters) are all sitting here, and their memorial is then created on the ‘Path of Devotion’. ... THIS Adi Dev (Brahma Baba) and Adi Devi (Saraswati Mama) are also Studying RajYog. They too would Remember that Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva), who is the Highest-on-High, the Ocean of Knowledge. He sits in the body of THIS Adi Dev (Brahma Baba or soul of DLR) and explains to all of You Children. ...
There are also the temples to Adi Dev and Adi Devi. You, who are their Children, are Studying RajYog here. It is here that You did ‘tapasya’, and so your memorials are in front of You.”

Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe is the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL EVIDENT JagadAmba; and Brahma Baba or soul of DLR is the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL EVIDENT JagadPita, or PrajaPita of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins – and the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, TEACHES the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog (TRUE Gita), ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, in the Confluence Age!


यह है प्रजापिता, कितने ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारियां हैं। ब्रह्मा का बाप कौन है? निराकार शिव। हम उनके पोत्रे-पोत्रियां हैं। शिवबाबा से हम वर्सा लेते हैं। तो उनको ही याद करना है। याद से ही पापों का बोझा उतरेगा। ...
कृष्ण तो 84 जन्म ले अब आकर ब्रह्मा बना है, फिर वही कृष्ण बनना है, इसलिए इस शरीर में ही प्रवेश किया है। यह बना बनाया ड्रामा है।
THIS one (soul of DLR) is PrajaPita. There are so many Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (BKs). Who is the Father of Brahma? Incorporeal Shiva. We are His Grand-Sons and Grand-Daughters. We are claiming our inheritance from ShivBaba. So, You have to Remember Him ALONE. Your burden of sins will be removed only through Remembrance. ...
Krishna took 84 births, and has now come and become Brahma. Then he, himself, is the one who has to become Krishna again. This is why He (Shiva) has entered ONLY THIS body (of DLR). This Drama is predestined.”

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God enters ONLY the body of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, as His ‘mukarar-rath’, EVERY Cycle, and Cycle after Cycle, as per Drama Plan – and Brahma Baba, himself, becomes Shri Krishna in the beginning of Golden Age, and goes round the Cycle, by taking the FULL 84 births!

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Post by Golden Heart » 18 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 19.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
अब इतने बच्चे हैं, तो जरूर बेहद का बाप होगा। बाप समझाते हैं - कहते भी हैं, निराकार शिवबाबा। ब्रह्मा को भी बाबा कहते हैं, विष्णु वा शंकर को बाबा नहीं कहेंगे। शिव को हमेशा बाबा कहते हैं। शिव का चित्र अलग, शंकर का चित्र अलग है।
“Now, there are so many Children, and so the Father would definitely be Unlimited. The Father explains: It is said, ‘Incorporeal ShivBaba’. Brahma (soul of DLR) is also called Baba. Vishnu, or Shankar, would NOT be called ‘Baba’. Shiva is ALWAYS called Baba. The image of Shiva is separate, and the image of Shankar is separate.”

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, is called the ‘Parlokik’ Father, besides ALSO being the ‘Parlokik’ Mother & the ‘Parlokik’ Grand-Father.

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, is called the EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Father, besides also being the INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, or INCOGNITO JagadAmba & the ‘Alokik’ great-great-grandfather!

Vishnu, or Shankar, would NOT be called ‘Baba’ – since Vishnu is the COMBINED form of the TWO soul-mates, or ‘yugal-dana’, Lakshmi & Narayan, in Golden Age, where ONLY their TWO corporeal children would address them as their mother & father; and the subtle Deity Shankar DOES NOT come to this corporeal sphere, to enact ANY role, through ANY corporeal body, of ANY embodied soul, like Shiva does!


भक्ति मार्ग में कितने चित्र हैं। ऊंच ते ऊंच चित्र दिखाते हैं शिवबाबा का; फिर ब्रह्मा, विष्णु, शंकर का चित्र दिखाते हैं। उनका भी रूप है। जगत अम्बा, जगत पिता का भी रूप है। लक्ष्मी-नारायण का भी साकारी रूप है। बाकी एक ही भगवान् है निराकार।
“There are so many images on the ‘Path of Devotion’. The image of ShivBaba is shown as the highest. Then, the images of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are shown. They too have a (subtle) form. JagadAmba and JagadPita also have (corporeal) forms. Lakshmi and Narayan too have corporeal forms; whereas, ONLY ONE God (‘Bhagwan’) is (ALWAYS) Incorporeal.”

The Highest-on-High is the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God; followed by the subtle Deities, of the Subtle Region – Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar; followed by JagadAmba (Saraswati Mama, or soul of Om Radhe), and JagadPita (Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR), of Confluence Age, on this corporeal sphere – who, themselves, THEN become the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns, Empress Shri Lakshmi & Emperor Shri Narayan, in the beginning of Golden Age, by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns in Confluence Age, (as JagadAmba & JagadPita)!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


(शिव)बाबा कहते हैं, यह (प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा) मेरी वन्नी (युगल) है, इनके मुख से मैं प्रजा रचता हूँ। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा के मुख द्वारा ही कहते हैं। शिवबाबा तुमको कहते हैं, तुम मेरे पोत्रे हो। यह (प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा) फिर कहते, तुम मेरे बच्चे बन, शिवबाबा के पोत्रे बनते हो। वर्सा उनसे मिलता है। स्वर्ग का वर्सा कोई मनुष्य दे न सके। निराकार ही देते हैं।
“(Shiv)Baba says: THIS one (PrajaPita Brahma – soul of DLR) is My (Spiritual) Wife, and I create people (Children) through his Mouth. He says this ONLY through the (Lotus) Mouth of PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR, who is ALSO INCOGNITO JagadAmba). Shiv Baba says to You: You are My Grand-Children. THIS one (PrajaPita Brahma) then says: You become my Children, and thereby become ShivBaba's Grand-Children. You receive the inheritance from Him. No human being can give You the inheritance of Heaven. Only the Incorporeal One gives You that.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, receive their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY FROM the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – who is ALSO their ‘Parlokik’ Grand-Father – and ONLY THROUGH REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, who is ALSO their INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, or INCOGNITO JagadAmba – being the ONE & ONLY Spiritual Wife of Incorporeal God Father Shiva!


गाते भल हैं, ‘शिवाए नम: ..’, ‘तुम मात-पिता ..’; परन्तु वह कैसे ‘मात-पिता’ बनते हैं, कब रचना रचते हैं, यह नहीं जानते। जरूर सृष्टि के आदि में रचते होंगे। अब सृष्टि का आदि किसको कहा जाए? सतयुग को या संगमयुग को? सतयुग में तो बाप आते नहीं हैं। सतयुग आदि में तो आते हैं लक्ष्मी-नारायण। उन्हों को सतयुग का मालिक किसने बनाया? कलियुग में भी नहीं आते। यह है कल्प का संगमयुग। बाप कहते हैं, मैं हर कल्प के संगमयुगे आता हूँ जबकि सब आत्मायें पतित बन जाती हैं, अथवा सृष्टि पुरानी हो जाती है। ड्रामा का चक्र पूरा हो, तब तो बाप आयेंगे ना?
“Although they sing, ‘Salutations to Shiva ..’, ‘You are the Mother & Father ..; they do not know how He becomes the ‘Mother & Father’, or when He creates creation. He would surely create in the beginning of the World. Which would be called the ‘beginning of the World’? The Golden Age, or the Confluence Age? The Father does not come in the Golden Age. Lakshmi and Narayan come at the beginning of the Golden Age. Who made them into the Masters of the Golden Age? He (Shiva) does not even come in the Iron Age. This is the Confluence Age of the Cycle. The Father says: I come at the Confluence Age of every Cycle, when all souls have become impure, and the World has become old. The Father would come when the Cycle of the Drama comes to an end, is it not?”

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, becomes the ‘Mother & Father’, PRACTICALLY, on a corporeal level, by entering the LAST, 84th impure corporeal body of Brahma Baba, in the very beginning of Confluence Age, and adopting him as His ONE & ONLY Spiritual Wife, AS WELL AS, His VERY FIRST, DIRECT ‘mouth-born’ SPECIAL Spiritual Child (‘murabbi bachha’) – through the Lotus Mouth of Brahma Baba, himself – and THEN, Re-Creating ALL the OTHER Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, INCLUDING Saraswati Mama, or soul of Om Radhe – through the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, himself!


गाया हुआ है, ‘फालो फादर-मदर’। जानते हो यह मम्मा-बाबा, लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनेंगे। इन्होंने ही 84 जन्म बिताये हैं। तुम्हारा भी ऐसे ही है। इनका मुख्य पार्ट है। लिखा भी जाता है, बाप आकर सूर्यवंशी-चन्द्रवंशी स्वराज्य फिर से स्थापन कर रहे हैं।
“It is remembered: ‘Follow the Father and Mother’. You know that THIS Mama (soul of Om Radhe) and Baba (soul of DLR) will become Lakshmi and Narayan. They, themselves, are the ones who have taken 84 births. The same applies to You also. Their parts are the MAIN ones. It is also written that the Father is once again establishing the Sovereignty of the Sun and Moon Dynasties.”

On a corporeal level, the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, have to follow their ‘Alokik’ Mother, or EVIDENT JagadAmba, who is Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe & their ‘Alokik’ Father, or EVIDENT JagadPita, or PrajaPita, who is Brahma Baba or soul of DLR – in order to claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya – lasting during Golden & Silver Ages, or during dthe ‘Day of Brahma’, or during the ‘Day of the Cycle’!

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Post by Golden Heart » 19 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 20.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बच्चों को बाप कहते हैं, तुम हमारे बच्चे हो, हम तुम्हारे बच्चे हैं। बाप बच्चा बनता है, यह भी समझने की बात है। बाप अपने बच्चों को वर्सा देते हैं। वैसे मैं सौदागर तो हूँ ही। तुम्हारा कौड़ी जैसा तन-मन यह सब ‘वर्थ नाट ए पेनी’ है। वह पुराना तुम्हारा सब कुछ लेकर फिर तुमको दे देता हूँ कि ट्रस्टी होकर सम्भालो। तुम जन्म बाई जन्म गाते आये हो - ‘कुर्बान जाऊंगी, बलिहार जाऊंगी। हमारा तो एक, दूसरा न कोई’, क्योंकि सजनियां तो सब हैं। तो एक ही साजन को याद करेंगी। देह सहित सब सम्बन्धों को भूलते-भूलते एक की ही इतनी याद रहे जो अन्त में न यह शरीर, न और कोई याद आये। इतनी प्रैक्टिस करनी है। सवेरे का समय बड़ा अच्छा है। तुम्हारी यह सच्ची-सच्ची यात्रा है।
“The Father says to the Children: You are My Children, and I am your Child. How the Father becomes a Child is also an aspect to be understood. The Father gives the inheritance to His Children. In fact, I am the Businessman anyway. Your bodies and minds that are like (empty) shells, are ‘worth not a penny’. I take everything old of yours and give it all back to You for You to take care, as trustees. You have been singing for birth after birth: ‘I will surrender myself to You. I will sacrifice myself. Mine is One and none other’. Since all are Brides, they would Remember ONLY ONE Bride-Groom. Forget your body and all bodily relationships, and let there be such Remembrance of ONLY One, so that You will not remember either your body or anyone else, at the end. You have to have that much practice. The early morning time is very good. This is your TRUE pilgrimage.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, TOTALLY surrender themselves, and also surrender EVERYTHING they have, to their Spiritual Heir, or Spiritual Child - Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – and, in return, they receive the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya from Him, in Confluence Age ITSELF – and in this SPECIFIC SENSE, or PARTICULAR CONTEXT, Incorporeal God Father Shiva becomes the Spiritual Child of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins!


श्रीमत अर्थात् शिवबाबा की मत। ऐसे नहीं, हमको क्या पता, किसकी मत मिलती है। समझना चाहिए इनकी मत का भी वह रेसपान्सिबुल है। जैसे लौकिक रीति बच्चों का बाप रेसपान्सिबुल है, ‘सन शोज़ फादर’। यह ब्रह्मा तन भी फादर का शो करता है। मुरब्बी बच्चा है। बहुत अच्छे-अच्छे बच्चे हैं, जो यह नहीं जानते कि हम किसकी मत पर चलते हैं, कौन डायरेक्शन देते हैं? बाबा को तो याद नहीं करते। सवेरे उठते नहीं, याद नहीं करते, तो विकर्म भी विनाश नहीं होते।
“Shrimat means the directions of ShivBaba. You cannot say: ‘We do not know whose directions we are receiving’. You should understand that He (Shiva) is also responsible for the directions this one (Brahma Baba) gives; just as, in a worldly sense, a father is responsible for his children. ‘Son shows Father’; this body of Brahma (soul of DLR) also shows the Father (Incorporeal Shiva). He (Brahma Baba) is a very dearly beloved (SPECIAL) Child. There are many very good Children, who do not know whose directions they are following, or who gives them directions. They do not even Remember (Shiv)Baba. They do not wake up early in the morning, and do not Remember (ShivBaba), and so their sins are not absolved.”

ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev is the dearly beloved, SPECIAL Child (‘murabbi bachha’) of Incorporeal God Father Shiva; and Shiva is also responsible for ANY directions which are given even by Brahma Baba – who shows Incorporeal God Father Shiva to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, AFTER Incorporeal God Father Shiva reveals Brahma Baba, as His dearly beloved, SPECIAL Child (‘murabbi bachha’), by entering his corporeal body and adopting him as His ONE & ONLY Spiritual Wife, AS WELL AS, His REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL EVIDENT ‘mukarar-rath’, or Chariot!


तुम बच्चों के अन्दर सृष्टि चक्र का ज्ञान हर वक्त गूँजना चाहिए। पहले तो वह समझें कि इन्हों को शिक्षा देने वाला कौन है! तब समझें बरोबर हम भी तो शिव के बच्चे हैं। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा के भी बच्चे हैं। यह सिजरा है। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा है ग्रेट ग्रेट ग्रैन्ड फादर। मनुष्य सृष्टि का बड़ा तो ब्रह्मा हो गया ना। शिव को ऐसे नहीं कहेंगे, उनको सिर्फ फादर कहेंगे। ग्रेट ग्रेट ग्रैन्ड फादर - यह टाइटिल हो गया प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा का। जरूर ग्रैन्ड मदर, ग्रैन्ड चिल्ड्रेन भी होंगे। तुम बच्चों को यह सब समझाना है। शिव है सभी आत्माओं का बाप। ब्रह्मा द्वारा सृष्टि रचते हैं।
“The Knowledge of the World Cycle should reverberate within You Children at every moment. First of all, they should understand who it is who gives You this education. Only then, would they understand that they too are truly the Children of Shiva, and also the Children of PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR). This is a genealogical Tree. PrajaPita Brahma is the great-great-grandfather. Brahma (soul of DLR) is the most senior in the human World. Shiva would not be called this. He is just called the Father. The title, ‘great-great-grandfather’, belongs to PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR). There must definitely also be the (great-great) grandmother, and the Grand-Children. You Children have to explain all of this. Shiva is the Father of all souls. He creates the World THROUGH Brahma (soul of DLR).”

Incorporeal God Father Shiva is the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, and ALSO the ‘Parlokik’ Mother & Grand-Father of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins.

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, is the EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Father, or JagadPita, and ALSO the INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, or INCOGNITO JagadAmba & the ‘Alokik’ great-great-grandfather of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins.

Since Saraswati Mama, or soul of Om Radhe, is the Spiritual soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’ of Brahma Baba, therefore, she becomes the great-great-grandmother, besides ALSO being the EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Mother, or EVIDENT JagadAmba, of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins.

Since Brahma Baba is the SPECIAL Child (‘murabbi bachha’) of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, who is his ‘Parlokik’ Father; and since Brahma Baba is the ‘Alokik’ Father of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins – therefore, they ALSO become the Spiritual Grand-Children of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, (besides ALSO being His Spiritual Children) – in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

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Post by Golden Heart » 20 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A AV 20.02.1984, Revised 21.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children - 1) who were PHYSICALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar; and 2) who were SPIRITUALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through their own Divine Intellects, in their own 'Akari' stage.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
आज भाग्य बनाने वाले बाप, श्रेष्ठ भाग्यवान सर्व बच्चों को देख हर्षित हो रहे हैं। हर एक बच्चा कैसे कल्प पहले मुआफिक तकदीर जगाकर पहुँच गया है। तकदीर जगाकर आये हो। पहचानना अर्थात् तकदीर जगना।
Today, the Father who creates Fortune is pleased to see the all the elevated, Fortunate Children. Each of You Children has awakened your Fortune and reached here, as You did in the previous Cycle. You have come, after having awakened your Fortune. To have Re-Cognition means to awaken your Fortune.”

AFTER having been TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, by allowing themselves to be THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATED with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – (which is ACTUALLY the ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita of the outer World or Ravan Rajya) – the BLIND Unrighteous children are simply UNABLE to Re-Cognize, or REAL-EYEs, that the Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God CONTINUES to celebrate a Spiritual Meeting with the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, TOGETHER with REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, EVEN AFTER he leaves his corporeal body in 1969 – through his subtle body, in ‘Avyakt’, COMBINED TOGETHER as BapDada – using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED – as a consequence of which the BLIND Unrighteous children CANCEL their own Fortune of celebrating a Spiritual Meeting with REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, and of claiming their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya from Him, in Confluence Age ITSELF – THROUGH Brahma Baba!


बापदादा ऐसी महान वेला में, तकदीरवान वेला में आये हुए बच्चों को देख-देख खुश हो रहे हैं।
ब्रह्मा बाप भी बोले, ‘वाह, मेरे आदि देव के आदि काल के राज्य-भाग्य अधिकारी बच्चे’! शिव बाप बोले, ‘वाह, मेरे अनादि काल के अनादि अविनाशी अधिकार को पाने वाले बच्चे’! बाप और दादा दोनों के अधिकारी सिकीलधे, स्नेही, साथी बच्चे हो।
BapDada are pleased to see the Children who have come at such an elevated time, at such a Fortunate time.
Father Brahma (soul of DLR) also says, ‘Wah, My Children of Adi Dev, who have a right to the Fortune of Sovereignty from the beginning of time’. Father Shiva says, ‘Wah, My eternal Children, who claim eternal and imperishable rights’! You are the ‘long-lost and now-found’ (‘sikildhe’) Loving Children of BOTH, Bap (Incorporeal ShivBaba) and Dada (corporeal Brahma Baba), who are the companions who have all rights.

BOTH - Bap (Incorporeal ShivBaba) and Dada (corporeal Brahma Baba), COMBINED TOGETHER as BapDada - CONTINUE to celebrate a Spiritual Meeting with the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins - EVEN AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body in 1969 – through his subtle body, in ‘Avyakt’– using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED!

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Post by Golden Heart » 21 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 22.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाप बैठ बच्चों को समझाते हैं, कोई निराकार बाप को समझे, कोई साकार बाप को समझे, कोई मात-पिता को समझे। यह मात-पिता समझाते हैं, तो भी माता अलग और पिता अलग हो जाते। अगर निराकार समझाये तो निराकार अलग, साकार अलग हो जाते। परन्तु यह समझाने वाला बाप है।
“The (Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’) Father (Shiva) sits and explains to You Children. Some understand that the Incorporeal (‘Parlokik’) Father (Shiva) speaks, some understand that the corporeal (‘Alokik’) Father (Brahma Baba) speaks; and some understand that the (INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’) Mother (Brahma Baba) and (Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’) Father (Shiva) speak (togethersometimes One, and sometimes the other). Even when this (INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’) Mother (Brahma Baba) and (Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’) Father (Shiva) explain (together), the (INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’) Mother (Brahma Baba) is separate from the (Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’) Father (Shiva). When the Incorporeal (‘Parlokik’ Father Shiva) explains, the Incorporeal is separate from the corporeal (‘Alokik’ Father, Brahma Baba), but He is the (Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’) Father (Shiva) who explains this.”

Even if Brahma Baba gives directions to the Righteous Children, Incorporeal God Father Shiva still takes the responsibility for same.


वास्तव में सच्चा-सच्चा बेहद का गुरू एक ही है। बेहद का बाप भी एक है। ... सिक्ख लोग कहते हैं, ‘सतगुरू अकाल’। वास्तव में ‘सत श्री अकाल’ एक ही परमात्मा है, जिसको सतगुरू भी कहते हैं। वही सद्गति करने वाला है। इस्लामी, बौद्धी, या ब्रह्मा आदि नहीं कर सकते। भल कहते हैं ‘गुरू ब्रह्मा’, ‘गुरू विष्णु’। अब गुरू भल ब्रह्मा को कहा जाए, बाकी ‘गुरू विष्णु’, ‘गुरू शंकर’ तो हो न सके। ‘गुरू ब्रह्मा’ का नाम है जरूर। परन्तु ‘ब्रह्मा गुरू’ का भी तो गुरू होगा ना? ‘सत श्री अकाल’ का तो फिर कोई गुरू नहीं। वह एक ही सतगुरू है।
“In fact, there is ONLY ONE TRUE, Unlimited Guru (Shiva). The Unlimited Father (Shiva) is also ONE. ... The Sikhs say: ‘Satguru Akal’ (Immortal TRUE Guru). In fact, ONLY ONE Supreme Soul (Shiva) is ‘Sat Shri Akal’ (TRUE, ELEVATED Immortal One), who is also called the Satguru. He alone is the One who grants Salvation. Those of Islam, or Buddhism, or Brahma, etc., cannot do this (grant Salvation), even though they speak of ‘Guru Brahma’, or ‘Guru Vishnu’. Although Brahma can be called a guru, there CANNOT be ‘Guru Vishnu’, or ‘Guru Shankar’. There definitely is the name ‘Guru Brahma’, but there would also be the GURU of ‘Guru Brahma’, is it not? ‘Sat Shri Akal’ (Shiva) has NO guru. He is the ONLY ONE Satguru.”

Brahma can be called a guru, but Vishnu or Shankar CANNOT be called a guru – because Vishnu represents the COMBINED form of Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe WHEN she becomes Empress Shri Lakshmi, AND, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR WHEN he becomes Emperor Shri Narayan, in the beginning of Golden Age, who PRACTICALLY sustain the MOST ELEVATED Righteous Children WHEN they become the MOST ELEVATED Deities, THERE; while the subtle Deity Shankar DOES NOT come to this corporeal sphere to enact ANY corporeal role, through ANY corporeal body of ANY embodied soul, in Confluence Age, like Shiva does!

Even though Brahma Baba can be called a guru, but even he has ONLY ONE Satguru, who is REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God!


इस मम्मा-बाबा को याद नहीं करना है। इनको याद करने से जमा नहीं होगा। इनमें शिवबाबा आते हैं, तो याद शिवबाबा को करना है। ऐसे नहीं कि इनमें शिवबाबा है इसलिए इनकी याद रहे। नहीं! शिवबाबा को वहाँ याद करना है। शिवबाबा और स्वीट होम को याद करना है। जिन्न मुआफिक बुद्धि में याद रखना है - शिवबाबा वहाँ रहते हैं, शिवबाबा यहाँ आकर सुनाते हैं, परन्तु हमको याद वहाँ करना है, यहाँ नहीं। बुद्धि दूर जानी चाहिए, यहाँ नहीं। यह शिवबाबा तो चला जायेगा।
“You must NOT remember THIS Mama (Saraswati Mama - Om Radhe) and Baba (Brahma Baba - DLR). You will NOT accumulate anything by remembering them. ShivBaba enters this one (corporeal Brahma Baba), and so You have to Remember (Incorporeal) ShivBaba. It is NOT that since ShivBaba is in this one (Brahma Baba), so You remember this one (Brahma Baba). NO! You have to Remember ShivBaba THERE (in the Soul World). You have to Remember ShivBaba and your Sweet Home (Supreme Abode). Keep this in your intellect like a genie - ShivBaba resides THERE (in the Soul World). ShivBaba comes here and speaks to us, but we have to Remember Him THERE (in the Soul World), NOT here (in this corporeal World). Your intellects should go far away, and not remain here. ShivBaba will go away anyway.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, should definitely be AWARE of Saraswati Mama & Brahma Baba, but they should NOT remember them, since they DO NOT receive ANY Spiritual inheritance from them; they TOO Remember ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – and so the Righteous Children should FOLLOW their ‘Alokik’ Parents, or ‘Alokik’ Mother & ‘Alokik’ Father, in Remembering ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE – from whom they receive their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, in Confluence Age ITSELF – but ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba – and NOT FROM Brahma Baba!

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins should Remember Incorporeal God Father Shiva THERE, in the Soul World, or the Supreme Abode, with the Third Eye of their Divine intellect, so that their sins of MANY births can be absolved through such ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance!


शिवबाबा इस एक में ही आते हैं। मम्मा में उनको देख न सकें। तुम जानते हो यह बाबा का रथ है, परन्तु इनके चेहरे को नहीं देखना है। बुद्धि वहाँ लटकी रहे। यहाँ बुद्धि रहने से इतना मजा नहीं आयेगा। यह कोई यात्रा नहीं हुई। यात्रा की हद तुम्हारी वहाँ है। ऐसे नहीं कि बाबा को ही देखते रहो क्योंकि इनमें शिव है। फिर ऊपर जाने की आदत छूट जाती है। बाप कहते हैं, मुझे वहाँ याद करो, बुद्धि-योग वहाँ लगाओ।
ShivBaba comes ONLY in THIS one (Brahma Baba). You would NOT see Him in Mama (Om Radhe). You know that THIS (Brahma Baba) is (Shiv)Baba’s Chariot, but You should not look at this face (of Brahma Baba). Let your intellect dangle up THERE (in the Soul World). You will not enjoy yourself as much by keeping your intellect here (in this corporeal World). This is not the (Spiritual) pilgrimage. The limit of your pilgrimage is up THERE (in the Soul World). It is not that You should continue to look at (Brahma) Baba, because Shiva is in him. In that case, your habit of going up above (to the Soul World) would be broken. The Father says: Remember Me up THERE (in the Soul World). Connect your intellects in Yoga THERE (in the Supreme Abode).

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God comes ONLY in REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, as His ‘mukrar-rath’. Although He ALSO celebrates a Spiritual Meeting with the Righteous Children, EVEN AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body, in 1969, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED, BUT Dadi Gulzar is NOT His ‘mukrar-rath’ – and His ‘mukrar-rath’ CONTINUES to be Brahma Baba, EVEN WHEN He Meets the Righteous Children, in Avyakt, COMBINED TOGETHER with Brahma Baba, as BapDada, through the subtle body of Brahma Baba!

The TRUE Spiritual pilgrimage is to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, in the Soul World, or the Supreme Abode – as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering the Self ALSO as a soul – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy!


कई बुद्धू समझते हैं कि बाबा को ही बैठ देखें। अरे, बुद्धि को स्वीट होम में लगाना है। शिवबाबा तो सदैव रथ पर रह न सके। यहाँ आकर सिर्फ सर्विस करेंगे। सवारी ले सर्विस कर फिर उतर जायेंगे। बैल पर सदैव सवारी हो नहीं सकती। तो बुद्धि वहाँ रहनी चाहिए। बाबा आते हैं, मुरली चलाकर चले जाते हैं। इनकी बुद्धि भी वहाँ रहती है। रास्ता बरोबर पकड़ना चाहिए। नहीं तो घड़ी-घड़ी पट्टी से गिर पड़ते हैं। यह तो थोड़ा समय है। इनमें शिवबाबा ही नहीं होगा तो याद क्यों करेंगे? मुरली तो यह भी सुना सकते हैं, इनमें कभी है, कभी नहीं है। कभी रेस्ट लेते हैं। तुम याद वहाँ करो।
“Some foolish children (‘buddhus’) think that they should just sit and continue to look at (Brahma) Baba. Oh! But You have to connect your intellect to the Sweet Home (Supreme Abode). ShivBaba CANNOT be constantly sitting in the Chariot. He simply comes here and does Service. He enters His Chariot, does Service, and then leaves (the Chariot). One cannot always be riding a Bull. So, your intellects should remain THERE (in the Soul World). Baba comes, speaks the Murli, and then LEAVES. This one’s (Brahma Baba’s) intellect also remains up THERE (in the Soul World). You should follow the RIGHT path. Otherwise, You will repeatedly fall off the track. This One (Shiva) is only here for a short time. If ShivBaba were not in this one, why would You Remember? Even THIS one (Brahma Baba) can speak the Murli. Sometimes He is in this one (Brahma Baba), and sometimes He is not. Sometimes he (Brahma Baba) takes a rest. You have to Remember Him (Incorporeal Shiva) THERE (in the Soul World).

The Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND & FOOLISH Unrighteous children - by THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATING them with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - into DELUSIVELY believing that they should remember THEIR IMAGINARY ‘ShivBaba’ within the impure perishable corporeal body of THEIR bodily guru - who is ACTUALLY the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 23.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
एक है पारलौकिक ‘मात-पिता’, जिसको याद करते रहते हैं, ‘तुम मात-पिता ..’, वह है सृष्टि का रचयिता। ‘मात-पिता’ जरूर स्वर्ग ही रचेंगे। ...
अभी वह ‘मात-पिता’ दुआयें कर रहे हैं। पढ़ाकर पतित से पावन बना रहे हैं।
“One is the ‘Parlokik’ ‘Mother & Father’ (from beyond), whom they continue to remember as, ‘You are the Mother & Father ..’; He is the Creator of the World. The (‘Parlokik’) ‘Mother & Father’ would definitely create Heaven. ... That (‘Parlokik’) ‘Mother & Father’ is NOW giving Blessings. He is TEACHING You, and making You pure from impure.”

The ‘Parlokik’ ‘Mother & Father’ - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or GodTEACHES the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, in Confluence Age, ONLY THROUGH the ‘Alokik’ ‘Mother & Father’ - REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev.


यहाँ है आसुरी सम्प्रदाय, रावण राज्य। वहाँ है दैवी सम्प्रदाय, राम राज्य। रावण का जन्म भी भारत में है। शिवबाबा, जिसको राम कहते हैं, उनका जन्म भी भारत में है। तुम जब वाम मार्ग में जाते हो, तो भारत में रावण राज्य शुरू होता है। तो भारत को ही राम, परमपिता परमात्मा, आकर पतित से पावन बनाते हैं। रावण आते हैं तो मनुष्य पतित बनते हैं। गाते भी हैं, ‘राम गयो, रावण गयो’, जिनका बहु परिवार है; राम का परिवार तो बहुत छोटा है। और सब धर्म ख़त्म हो जाते हैं, सबका विनाश हो जाता है। बाकी तुम देवी-देवतायें रहेंगे। तुम अभी जो ब्राह्मण बने हो, वही ट्रान्सफर होंगे सतयुग में। तो अब तुमको ‘माँ-बाप’ की दुआयें मिल रही हैं। माँ-बाप तुमको स्वर्ग का मालिक बनाते हैं। ...
सूर्यवंशी को ‘भगवान्-भगवती’ कह सकते हैं क्योंकि वे सम्पूर्ण हैं। ... रामराज्य को वैकुण्ठ नहीं कहा जाता। वैकुण्ठ कृष्ण के राज्य को कहा जाता है।
“Here, it is the Devilish community, the ‘kingdom of Ravan’ (in Copper & Iron Ages); whereas, there, it is the Deity community, the ‘Kingdom of RAMA (Shiva)’ (in Golden Age & Silver Age). The ‘birth’ of Ravan also takes place in Bharat (in Confluence Age). ShivBaba, who is called RAMA, also takes Birth in Bharat (in Confluence Age). When You go on to the ‘path of vice’, the ‘kingdom of Ravan’ (PRACTICALLY) begins in Bharat (from the beginning of Copper Age). So, the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva), RAMA, comes and makes Bharat pure from impure (in Confluence Age). When Ravan comes, people become impure (the corresponding ‘shooting’ of which ALSO takes place in the Confluence Age). It is also sung, ‘RAMA left; and Ravan left’ (at the END of the Confluence Age); who (Ravan) has a large family; the Family of RAMA (Shiva) is very small. All the other religions end; everyone is destroyed; only You Deities then remain. You, who have NOW become (TRUE) Brahmins, are the ONLY ONES who will be transferred to the Golden Age. So, You are NOW receiving Blessings from the (‘Parlokik’) ‘Mother & Father’. The (‘Parlokik’) ‘Mother & Father’ are making You into the Masters of Heaven. ...
Those of the Sun Dynasty can be called ‘gods and goddesses’ because they are COMPLETE. ... The ‘kingdom of (King) Rama’ (Silver Age) is not called Paradise. The ‘Kingdom of Krishna’ (Golden Age) is called Paradise.”

The residents of the Sun Dynasty can be called ‘gods and goddesses’ (‘bhagvan-bhagvati’) because they are COMPLETE – PURE souls within PURE corporeal bodies.

The Silver Age CANNOT STRICTLY be called ‘Paradise’, or ‘Heaven’; it is SEMI-Paradise, or SEMI-Heaven. ONLY Golden Age can be called TRUE, COMPLETE Paradise, or REAL Heaven on earth!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 24.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाप जो समझाते हैं, वह इस दुनिया में सिवाए तुम्हारे और किसको समझ में नहीं आयेगा। वह ऐसे समझेंगे, जैसे कोई मेडिकल कॉलेज में नया जाकर बैठे, तो कुछ समझ न सके। ऐसे कोई सतसंग होता नहीं, जहाँ मनुष्य जाये और कुछ न समझे। वहाँ तो है ही शास्त्र आदि सुनाने की बातें। यह है बड़े ते बड़ी कॉलेज। नई बात नहीं है। फिर से वह दिन आया आज, जबकि बाप बैठ बच्चों को राजयोग सिखलाते हैं।
No one in this World, apart from You Children, would be able to understand that which the Father explains to You. They would understand as much as when someone new goes and sits in a medical college, who would not understand anything. There is no such spiritual gathering, where people go, and are not able to understand anything. There, they relate the aspects of the Scriptures, etc. This is the biggest College of all. This is not a new aspect. That day has come, once again, when the Father sits and TEACHES You Children RajYog.”

The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or GodTEACHES the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog (TRUE Gita), to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, AFTER 1969 – using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED – and ALSO through the Third Eye of the Divine intellects of the Righteous Children, who have since ALSO DEVELOPED their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age!

The Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, etc., CHEATS the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) – through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, ALSO MASQUERADING as ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

Since the intellects of the BLIND Unrighteous children become ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED, INVERTED & DEGRADED, AFTER EXPOSURE to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, they are THEN simply UNABLE to COMPREHEND the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), spoken by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba, in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE!


बच्चों को समझाया है, यह परमपिता परमात्मा का नाम, रूप, देश, काल कोई भी नहीं जानते, जब तक कि बाप आकर अपना परिचय दे, और परिचय भी बहुत गम्भीर है। उनका रूप तो पहले लिंग ही कहना पड़ता। रुद्र यज्ञ रचते हैं, तो मिट्टी के लिंग बनाते हैं, जिनकी पूजा होती आई है। बाप ने पहले यह नहीं बताया कि बिन्दी रूप है। बिन्दी रूप कहते, तो तुम समझ नहीं सकते। जो बात जब समझानी है, तब समझाते हैं। ऐसे नहीं कहेंगे, पहले क्यों नहीं बताया जो आज समझाते हो। नहीं! ड्रामा में नूँध ही ऐसी है।
“It has been explained to You Children that no one knows the Name, form, place, or time of the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva), until the Father comes and gives His own introduction. His introduction is also very profound. At first, it has to be said that His form is that of a lingam. When they create a sacrificial Fire of Rudra, they make lingams of clay, which they continue to worship. The Father did not tell You that He is the Form of a POINT, at first. If He had told You that He was the Form of a POINT (at first), then You would not have understood (at THAT time). He explains whatever has to be explained, when it has to be explained. You cannot ask: Why did You not tell us earlier, what You are explaining to us today? No! This is fixed in Drama in this way.

SIMILARLY, the UNADULTERATED CLARIFICATIONS of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, being clarified herein, are FIXED in Drama, in this particular way – and could NOT have been explained EARLIER, since NO ONE would have been ABLE to COMPREHEND same in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


योगबल से ही तुम्हारी आत्मा पवित्र बनेगी। तुम सब सीतायें हो, आग से पार होती हो। या तो योगबल से पार होना है, या तो आग में जलना पड़ेगा। देह सहित सब सम्बन्धों को त्याग, एक मोस्ट बिलवेड बाप को याद करना है। परन्तु यह याद निरन्तर रहने में बड़ी मुश्किलात है। टाइम लगता है। गाया भी हुआ है, ‘योग अग्नि’। भारत का प्राचीन योग और ज्ञान मशहूर है क्योंकि गीता है सर्व शास्त्रमई शिरोमणी। उसमें ‘राजयोग’ अक्षर है, परन्तु ‘राज’ अक्षर गुम कर, सिर्फ ‘योग’ अक्षर पकड़ लिया है। बाप बिगर कोई कह न सके कि इस राजयोग से मैं तुमको ‘राजाओं का राजा’ बनाऊंगा।
“Only with the ‘Power of Yoga’ will You souls become pure. All of You are ‘Sitas’, who cross through the (Spiritual) Fire. Either You cross through with the (Fire of) ‘Power of Yoga’, or You will have to burn in the ‘fire’. You have to renounce your body and all bodily relations, and Remember the ONE most beloved Father. However, it is difficult for this Remembrance to remain constant; it takes time. The ‘Fire of Yoga’ has been remembered. The ancient Yoga and Knowledge of Bharat are renowned, because the (TRUE) Gita is the TOPMOST bead, the Mother of all the Scriptures. The word, ‘RajYog’ is mentioned in it. However, they have lost the word, ‘Raj’, and have only caught hold of the word, ‘Yoga’. No one except the Father can say: I will make You into the ‘King of kings’ with this RajYog.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, become pure from being impure, through the SUBTLEST Spiritual Fire of the ‘Power of Yoga’ – to, THEN, be able to claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty during RamRajya, from Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba – in Confluence Age ITSELF!

Whereas, the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, also become pure from being impure, through the ‘GROSSER fires’, incorporated within this EWD Play, for that specific purpose – to, THEN, be able to claim their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty during Ravan Rajya, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – in Confluence Age ITSELF!


पुनर्जन्म शिवबाबा तो नहीं लेते। ब्रह्मा, विष्णु, शंकर को भी पुनर्जन्म नहीं लेना है।
“ShivBaba does not take rebirth. (The subtle Deities of the Subtle Region) Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar also do not have to take rebirth.”

NEITHER does Incorporeal God Father Shiva take rebirth, in this EWD Cycle; NOR do the SYMBOLIC, REPRESENTATIVE subtle Deities of the Subtle Region – Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar – take rebirth, in this EWD Cycle, since they are REQUIRED to SYMBOLICALLY function ONLY DURING the Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 24 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 25.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
समझाने की भी बच्चों में हिम्मत चाहिए। अन्धों की लाठी बन, नींद से सुजाग करना है। जाग सजनियां, अब नई दुनिया स्थापन होती है। पुरानी दुनिया का विनाश हो रहा है। तुमने त्रिमूर्ति ब्रह्मा-विष्णु-शंकर नाम नहीं सुना है? ब्रह्मा द्वारा स्थापना होती है। यह सब ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारियां हैं ना। अकेले ब्रह्मा तो नहीं करेंगे। प्रजापिता के साथ जरूर ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारियां होंगे। इनका बाप भी जरूर होगा, जो इनको सिखलाने वाला है। इन (ब्रह्मा) को तो ज्ञान सागर नहीं कहेंगे।
You Children need courage even to explain. You have to become ‘a stick for the blind’ and awaken everyone from their sleep. ‘Awaken, O Brides, awaken! The New World is now being established. The old World is to be destroyed. Have you not heard the names of Trimurti Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar? Establishment takes place through Brahma. All of these are Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (BKs). Brahma does not do this alone. Together with PrajaPita, there are definitely the Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (BKs) also. This one's (Brahma Baba’s) Father (Shiva), who teaches him (Brahma Baba), would also surely be here. This one (Brahma) cannot be called the Ocean of Knowledge’. ”

Incorporeal God Father Shiva TEACHES the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog (TRUE Gita), to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins - INCLUDING Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe, AS WELL AS, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR – ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, himself!


ब्रह्मा के हाथ में शास्त्र दिखाते हैं। परन्तु परमपिता परमात्मा इनमें आकर इन द्वारा सभी वेद-शास्त्रों का सार बताते हैं। ब्रह्मा शास्त्रों का सार नहीं सुनाते, वह कहाँ से सीखे? उनका कोई भी बाप वा गुरू होगा ना। प्रजापिता तो जरूर मनुष्य होगा, और यहाँ ही होगा, वह ठहरा प्रजा को रचने वाला। उनको क्रियेटर, ज्ञान सागर, नॉलेजफुल नहीं कह सकते। ज्ञान सागर परमपिता परमात्मा ही है। वह आकर प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा द्वारा पढ़ाते हैं। इसको ज्ञान का कलष कहा जाता है। यह सारा मदार धारणा पर है। इनश्योर करो, न करो, यह तुम्हारे ऊपर है। बाबा तो बहुत अच्छी रीति इनश्योर करते हैं। इनश्योरेन्स मैगनेट है, भक्ति मार्ग में भी, तो ज्ञान मार्ग में भी।
They show Brahma with Scriptures in his hands. However, the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva) enters him (Brahma Baba) and tells You the ESSENCE of all the Vedas and Scriptures, through him. Brahma does not tell You the ESSENCE of all the Scriptures. Where would he learn that from? There definitely has to be his Father and Guru. PrajaPita is definitely a human being, and he has to exist here (in a corporeal body, UNTIL 1969). He is the one who ‘creates’ people (as an instrument of Shiva). He CANNOT be called the Creator, the Ocean of Knowledge, or Knowledge-FULL. ONLY the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva) is the Ocean of Knowledge. He comes and TEACHES You through PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR). This is called the ‘Urn of Knowledge’. Everything depends on your inculcation (‘dharna’). Whether You insure yourselves, or not, is up to You. (Shiv)Baba insures very well. He is the ‘Insurance Magnate’, on the ‘Path of Devotion’, as well as on the ‘Path of Knowledge’.

The ‘Parlokik’ Father & Satguru of EVEN REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, is the Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, who tells ONLY the ‘Satopradhan’ ESSENCE of ALL the Vedas and Scriptures, in the PROPER PERSPECTIVEONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba – and who, ALONE, is the Ocean of Knowledge, who gives the ‘Urn of Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge’ – FIRST to Brahma Baba, and THEN to Saraswati Mama, and to ALL the OTHER Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, in the Confluence Age – number-wise!

The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE – is the ‘Incorporeal Insurance Magnate’ – DIRECTLY, on the ‘Path of Knowledge’, in the form of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog (TRUE Gita) – spoken ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba – and CONSEQUENTLY, also INDIRECTLY, on the ‘Path of Devotion’, in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, which is CONSEQUENTLY based on the TRUE Gita ITSELF) – propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – ALL, PERFECTLY, as per DRAMA PLAN!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 26.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
भगवानुवाच। कौन-सा भगवान्? भोलानाथ शिव भगवानुवाच। बाप भी समझाते हैं, टीचर का भी काम है समझाना। सतगुरू का भी काम है समझाना। शिवबाबा को ही सत बाबा, ‘भोलानाथ’ कहा जाता है। शंकर को ‘भोला’ नहीं कहेंगे। उनके लिए तो कहते हैं, ‘आंख खोली तो सृष्टि को भस्म कर दिया’। ‘भोला भण्डारी’ शिव को कहते हैं, अर्थात् भण्डारा भरपूर करने वाला। कौनसा भण्डारा? धन-दौलत, सुख-शान्ति का। बाप आये ही हैं पवित्रता-सुख-शान्ति का भण्डारा भरपूर करने।
“God speaks. Which God (‘Bhagwan’)? The ‘Innocent Lord’, God Shiva speaks. The Father also explains to You; the Teacher's duty is also to explain to You. The duty of the Satguru too is to explain to You. Only ShivBaba is called the TRUE Baba, the ‘Innocent Lord’ (‘BholaNath’). Shankar CANNOT be called ‘innocent’ (‘Bhola’). For him (Shankar), they say that ‘when he opened his Eye, he destroyed the World’. Shiva is called the ‘Innocent Lord of Treasures’, that is, He is the One who makes your treasure-stores completely full. Which treasure-stores? Those of Wealth, Happiness and Peace. The Father has come to make your treasure-stores of Purity, Happiness and Peace completely full.”

There is ONLY ONE TRUE God (‘Bhagwan’) - Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, or ShivBaba – who, ALONE, is the ‘Innocent Lord’ (‘BholaNath’).

Shankar CANNOT be called either ‘Bhola’, or ‘BholaNath’; and NO embodied soul can be called ‘Bhagwan’, other than Incorporeal God Father Shiva!


पावन आत्मायें होती ही हैं सतयुग में। कलियुग में सब पतित हैं। अनेक मनोकामनायें लेकर जगदम्बा के पास जाते हैं, जानते कुछ भी नहीं; फिर भी बाप कहते हैं, जो-जो, जिस-जिस भावना से पूजा करते हैं, तो मैं उनको अल्पकाल क्षणभंगुर लिए फल दे देता हूँ। जड़ मूर्ति कभी उसका फल नहीं दे सकती। फल देने वाला, अल्पकाल सुख देने वाला, मैं ही हूँ और बेहद के सुख का दाता भी मैं ही हूँ। मैं दु:खदाता नहीं हूँ। मैं तो दु:ख हर्ता सुख कर्ता हूँ।
“ There are only pure souls in the Golden Age. In the Iron Age, all are impure. People go to (EVIDENT) JagadAmba with so many desires, but they do not understand anything. Even then, the Father says: Whatever feelings people worship someone with, I give them the fleeting, temporary fruit of that. A non-living idol can never give them the ‘fruit’. I, ALONE, am the One who gives them the ‘fruit’ and temporary happiness. I am also the Bestower of Unlimited Happiness. I am not a ‘bestower of sorrow’. I am the ‘Remover of Sorrow’ and the ‘Bestower of Happiness’. ”

Although the BLIND devotees, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, go to the non-living idols of (EVIDENT) JagadAmba (who is the soul of Om Radhe or Saraswati Mama, in the Confluence Age) with so many desires, the One who ACTUALLY grants them the ‘fruit’ of their efforts and fulfills all their desires is the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE!


जगत अम्बा के पास जाते हैं, यह थोड़ेही जानते कि यह जगत-अम्बा ही लक्ष्मी बनती है। इस समय तुम जगत अम्बा से विश्व की सब मनोकामनायें पूरी कर रहे हो। विश्व का राज्य ले रहे हो। जगत अम्बा तुमको पढ़ा रही है। वही फिर लक्ष्मी बनती है। जिससे फिर वर्ष-वर्ष भीख मांगते हैं। कितना फ़र्क है! लक्ष्मी से हर वर्ष पैसे की भीख मांगते हैं। लक्ष्मी को ऐसे नहीं कहेंगे हमको बच्चा चाहिए या बीमारी दूर करो। नहीं! लक्ष्मी से सिर्फ धन मांगते हैं। नाम ही है लक्ष्मी-पूजन।
“ They go to (EVIDENT) JagadAmba, but they DO NOT know that THIS (EVIDENT) JagadAmba (soul of Om Radhe) is the one who then, herself, becomes Lakshmi (and ALSO ‘MahaLakshmi’). At this time, You are fulfilling the desires of the World through (INCOGNITO) JagadAmba. You are claiming the Kingdom of the World. (EVIDENT) JagadAmba is teaching You now (in EVIDENT form). She, herself, then becomes Lakshmi (and ALSO ‘MahaLakshmi’). She is the one to whom people continue to beg every year. There is so much difference! They beg Lakshmi for wealth every year. They do not say in front of Lakshmi: ‘I want a child’, or ‘remove this illness’. No! They only ask Lakshmi for wealth. The very name is ‘worship of Lakshmi’. ”

WHETHER, the BLIND devotees, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, go to the non-living idols of (EVIDENT) JagadAmba of Confluence Age, who, herself, becomes Shri Lakshmi of the beginning of Golden Age (who is the soul of Om Radhe or Saraswati Mama, in the Confluence Age) with so many desires – OR, WHETHER they go to the non-living idols of Shri Lakshmi (or Vishnu, or MahaLakshmi) for wealth - the One who ACTUALLY grants them the ‘fruit’ of their efforts and fulfills all their desires is the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE!

NO ONE UNDERSTANDS CLEARLY, that the Spiritual BACK-BONE of EVIDENT JagadAmba (who is the soul of Om Radhe or Saraswati Mama), is INCOGNITO JagadAmba (who is the soul of DLR or Brahma Baba), AND, the ‘Parlokik’ Mother (who is Incorporeal God Father Shiva); and that the PRACTICAL BACK-BONE of Shri Lakshmi (who is the VERY SAME soul of Om Radhe), is Shri Narayan (who is the VERY SAME soul of DLR), in the beginning of Golden Age – BOTH of whom sustain the MOST ELEVATED Deities of Golden Age, PRACTICALLY - COMBINED TOGETHER, in the SYMBOLIC form of the four-armed ‘Vishnu’, or ‘MahaLakshmi’!


जगत अम्बा से तो बहुत कुछ मांगते हैं। वह सब कामनायें पूरी करने वाली है। अभी तुमको जगत अम्बा से मिलती है - स्वर्ग की बादशाही। लक्ष्मी से हर वर्ष कुछ न कुछ धन का फल मिलता है, तब तो हर वर्ष पूजा करते हैं। समझते हैं, धन देने वाली है। धन से फिर पाप करते रहते। धन-प्राप्ति के लिए भी पाप करते हैं। अभी तुम बच्चों को मिलते हैं अविनाशी ज्ञान रत्न, जिससे तुम मालामाल बन जायेंगे। जगत अम्बा से स्वर्ग की राजाई मिलती है। वहाँ पाप होता नहीं। कितनी समझ की बातें हैं। कोई तो अच्छी रीति समझते हैं, कोई तो कुछ समझते नहीं हैं क्योकि तकदीर में नहीं है।
“They ask (EVIDENT) JagadAmba for many things. She is the one who fulfills all their desires. You are NOW receiving the Sovereignty of Heaven through (INCOGNITO) JagadAmba. From Lakshmi they receive some fruit of wealth every year, and this is why they worship her every year. They believe that she is the one who gives them wealth. They then continue to commit sin with that wealth. They even commit sin to attain wealth. You Children are now receiving the imperishable ‘Jewels of Knowledge’ with which You will become prosperous. You receive the Sovereignty of Heaven through (INCOGNITO) JagadAmba. There are no sins committed there. These aspects have to be understood. Some understand them very well, whereas others do not understand anything at all, because it is NOT in their fortune.

NEITHER do the BLIND devotees, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, receive ANYTHING FROM the non-living idols of (EVIDENT) JagadAmba (who is the soul of Om Radhe or Saraswati Mama, in the Confluence Age); NOR do the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, receive ANYTHING FROM (INCOGNITO) JagadAmba (who is the soul of DLR or Brahma Baba, in the Confluence Age).

The One who ACTUALLY grants the ‘fruit’ of their efforts, and fulfills all the desires of the BLIND devotees, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, is the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE – BUT, THROUGH the non-living idols of (EVIDENT) JagadAmba, and OTHER PROMINENT Deities!

SIMILARLY, the One who ACTUALLY grants the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, or REAL Heaven, to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, is ALSO the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE – BUT, THROUGH the living embodied soul of (INCOGNITO) JagadAmba - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through the ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body of Brahma Baba, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through the ELEVATED SUBTLE body of Brahma Baba, till the end of Confluence Age!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

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Post by Golden Heart » 26 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 27.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
‘धीरज धर, मनुआ’ मनुष्य को नहीं कहा जाता। मन-बुद्धि आत्मा में हैं। यह आत्मा को कहा जाता है। आत्मा को, सिवाए परमपिता परमात्मा के, और कोई कह न सके कि धैर्य धरो क्योंकि अधीर्य को ही धैर्य दिया जाता है। अगर ईश्वर सर्वव्यापी है, तो उसको अधीर्य कहा नहीं जा सकता। मनुष्य इस समय सब अधीर्य हैं, दु:खी हैं इसलिए धैर्य देने के लिए, सुख देने के लिए बाप आये हैं। कहते हैं, अब धैर्य धरो। बाप के महावाक्य सिर्फ तुम्हारे लिए नहीं हैं, वास्तव में सारी दुनिया के लिए हैं। सारी दुनिया आहिस्ते-आहिस्ते सुनती रहेगी। जो सुनते हैं, वह आते रहते हैं।
“ ‘Have patience, O mind’, is not said for (corporeal) human beings (who are body-conscious), because the mind and the intellect are in the soul, and so this is said for souls (who are making efforts to become soul-conscious). No one, except the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva), can tell souls to have patience, because patience is only given to those who are impatient. If God is omnipresent, then THEY (human beings, who believe themselves to be God) cannot be called impatient (because God can NEVER be impatient). At this time, ALL human beings are impatient and unhappy, which is why the Father has come to give You patience and happiness. He says: Now have patience. The Father’s Versions are not just for You, but they are, in fact, for the whole World. The whole World will gradually begin to hear. Those who hear, continue to come. ”

The sentence, ‘If God is omnipresent, then THEY cannot be called impatient’, has been WRONGLY translated as, ‘If God is omnipresent, He can’t be called impatient’, by the Official Madhuban Murli Website, http://jewels.brahmakumaris.org - which would INADVERTENTLY imply, that since God is NOT omnipresent, then he COULD be called ‘impatient’ – whereas, God CAN NEVER be impatient, and hence, He can NEVER be called ‘impatient’. Same has been brought to the notice of CONCERNED officials, for necessary action in the matter.


शिवबाबा ने इस समय बच्चों के रहने लिए यह मकान बनाया है। अपने रहने लिए तो यह शरीर निमित्त बनाया है; जीव आत्माओं को तो जरूर रहने के लिए मकान चाहिए। तो तुम बच्चों के लिए बना रहे हैं। बाबा भी इस मकान में बैठे हैं ना। यह तुम जानते हो - हमारा वह है आत्माओं का बाप, और यह है शरीर का बाप। तुमको एडाप्ट किया है। तुम हमारे बच्चे हो। ‘मम्मा-बाबा’ कहते हो ना, इसको ‘गोद लेना’ कहा जाता है। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा को इतने बच्चे हैं, तो जरूर गोद के ही बच्चे होंगे। तुम बच्चों को एडाप्ट करते हैं। सरस्वती भी बेटी है ना। यह है बड़ी गुह्य बातें समझने की।
“ShivBaba has had this building built at this time for the Children to live in. He has made this body (of DLR) the instrument for Him to live in. However, human beings definitely need buildings to stay in. So, He is having them built for You Children (to stay, at the end). Baba is also sitting in this ‘building’ (corporeal body of Brahma Baba). You know that THAT One (Shiva) is the Father of souls (INCORPOREAL), and that THIS one (Brahma Baba) is the father of the body (corporeal). He has adopted You: You are My Children. You say, ‘Mama and Baba’, which means You are adopted. PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR) has so many (‘Alokik’) Children, and so they would surely be adopted Children. He adopts You Children. Saraswati too is his (adopted, Spiritual) Daughter. These are very incognito aspects, which have to be understood.

The buildings which are being built, and the facilities which are being upgraded, at Madhuban, Gyansarovar and Shantivan, with the contribution of the CONCERNED Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, are for them to stay, at the end, during the period of ACTUAL World Transformation!


गीता-भागवत आदि तो तुम भी पढ़े हो, यह बाबा भी पढ़ा है। परन्तु अब तो श्रीमत मिलती है, ड्रामा अनुसार। जो कुछ कहा, सो ड्रामा अनुसार। उसमें जरूर कल्याण ही होगा। नुकसान होता है, उसमें भी कल्याण ही है। हर बात में कल्याण है। शिवबाबा है ही कल्याणकारी। उनकी मत अच्छी है। अगर उस पर कोई शंका रही, तो श्रीमत पर न चल अपनी मत पर चलते हैं, इससे धोखा खायेंगे। फिर शिवबाबा क्या करे!
“You too have studied the Gita, Bhagawad, etc., and THIS (Brahma) Baba has also studied them. However, according to Drama, You are NOW receiving ‘Shrimat’. Whatever is said is according to Drama. There would definitely be benefit in that. Even if there is any loss, there is benefit in that TOO. There is benefit in every aspect, because ShivBaba is the Benefactor. His directions are good. If one doubts them, then instead of following ‘Shrimat’, one follows one’s own dictates, and one becomes deceived. What can ShivBaba do then!

The Defamer Of God doubted the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), spoken by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, in the form of the SMs & AVs – due to which, INSTEAD of following the Pure UNADULTERATED ‘Shrimat’ of the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – he began to follow his OWN dictates, under the ACTIVE INFLUENCE of the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya – and CONTINUED to become DECEIVED - by CONTINUING to propagate the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, by MISINTERPRETING, MISREPRESENTING & MISAPPROPRIATING the various points in the SM & AVs (TRUE Gita), to ACCURATELY CONFORM with the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Rajopradhan & Tamopradhan Bhakti’ of the outer World of Ravan Rajya – being the ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya – and FURTHER, CONTINUED to DECEIVE the BLIND Unrighteous children, by THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATING them with same – to become instrumental to carry out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


कहा जाता है, ‘हिम्मते मर्दा, मददे खुदा’। बाप बहुत मदद देते हैं। तुम भी मदद देते हो, योग की। बाप को चाहिए ही पवित्रता की मदद। सारी पतित दुनिया को पावन बनाना है, योगबल से। जितना-जितना जो योग की मदद देंगे, उतना बाबा खुश होंगे। यह बाबा के लिए मदद है, वा अपने लिए? तुम जितना पढ़ेंगे उतना ऊंच पद पायेंगे। जितना याद करेंगे, उतना मुझे पवित्रता की मदद करेंगे। मैं आया हूँ पतित को पावन बनाने, पावन दुनिया के लिए।
“It is said, ‘When the Child has courage, the Father gives help’. The Father gives a lot of help. You also give the help of Yoga. The Father only wants the help of Purity. The whole impure World has to be purified with the ‘Power of Yoga’. The more help someone gives with Yoga, the more pleased Baba will be. Is this help for the Father, or for yourself? The more You Study, the higher the status You claim. The more You stay in Remembrance, the more You help Me with Purity. I have come to make impure ones pure, for the pure World.”

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God instructs the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, to help Him in the task of World Purification & World Transformation, with their Purity, by staying in His ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance, by Remembering ONLY Him – as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves ALSO as souls – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy!

Whereas, the Defamer Of God – under the ACTIVE INFLUENCE of the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya – MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Ishwar’, ‘Allah’, ‘Alif’, etc., TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that the SELECTED spinsters (‘kanyas’), should help him with their ‘purity’, by SURRENDERING their virginity to him, by physically copulating with him, in sexual union – with the clandestine aim of prolonging the longevity of his corporeal body, in ACCORDANCE with the PERVERTED CONCEPTS of the ‘techniques of tantra’ (‘tantric vidhya’) – and he ACTUALLY SUCCEEDS, as per Drama Plan, in TREACHEROUSLY TRICKING the INNOCENT & IGNORANT ‘kanyas’, into DELUSIVELY believing that they would become ‘powerful Parvatis’, and that their remembrance of THEIR IMAGINARY ‘ShivBaba’ would become more stable, AFTER such physical sexual union with him – thus making COMPLETE IDIOTS out of them, and TRAPPING them FURTHER into the VICIOUS GRIP of body-consciousness – and ALL the OTHER BLIND Unrighteous children, who INNOCENTLY/IGNORANTLY support him in this Spiritual TREASON, become ‘accessories after the fact’ – due to which, they ACTUALLY proceed towards the path of DEGRADATION & PERDITION, while DELUSIVELY being under the FALSE IMPRESSION that they are proceeding towards the path of SALVATION & FRUITION!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 29.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
यहाँ तुमको घड़ी-घड़ी कहा जाता है, ‘अपने को आत्मा समझ बाप को याद करो’। ... जब यहाँ बैठते हो, तो हमेशा ऐसे समझो - मैं आत्मा हूँ, मुझे बाप का फ़रमान मिला हुआ है, मुझे याद करो। बच्चों के सिवाए तो और कोई को बाप का फ़रमान मिल न सके। फिर बच्चों में कोई तो आज्ञाकारी होते हैं, कोई आज्ञा न मानने वाले भी होते हैं। बाप कहते हैं - हे आत्मायें, तुम मेरे साथ बुद्धि का योग लगाओ। बाप आत्माओं से बात करते हैं। ... बाप का फ़रमान है, मुझे याद करो तो तुम्हारी बुद्धि पवित्र होगी।
Here, You are told again and again, ‘Consider yourself to be a soul and Remember the Father’. ... When You sit here (in Remembrance), always think – ‘I am a soul, and I have received instructions from the Father to Remember Him’. No one, apart from You Children, can receive instructions from the Father. Among You Children, some are obedient, and there are also some who do not comply with the instructions. The Father says: O souls, connect the Yoga of your intellects with Me. The Father speaks to You souls. ... The Father's instructions are: Remember Me and your intellects will be purified.”

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God instructs the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of Him, ALONEas a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves ALSO as souls – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy – through which their sins of many births would be absolved, and they would become pure from being impure, to THEN be able to claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, from Him, in Confluence Age ITSELF – ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba!


तुम बच्चे जानते हो कि शिवबाबा इस शरीर द्वारा हमें समझा रहे हैं। शरीर बिगर तो एक्ट हो न सके। पहले-पहले तो यह निश्चय चाहिए। निश्चय बिगर तो कुछ भी बुद्धि में नहीं बैठेगा। पहले निश्चय चाहिए कि हम आत्माओं का बाप वह निराकार परमपिता परमात्मा है, और साकार में है प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा, हम हैं ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारियां। शिव के तो सब आत्मायें बच्चे हैं, इसलिए शिवकुमार कहेंगे, कुमारी नहीं। यह सब बातें धारण करनी है। धारणा तब होगी जब निरन्तर याद करते रहेंगे। याद करने से ही बुद्धि रूपी बर्तन शुद्ध होगा।
“You Children know that ShivBaba is explaining to You through THIS body (of DLR). One cannot act without a body. FIRST of ALL, You have to have this faith. Unless You have faith, nothing will sit in your intellect. FIRST, You need to have the faith that the Father of souls is that Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva), and that PrajaPita Brahma (Brahma, the Father of the People) is in the corporeal form (of DLR, UNTIL 1969). You are Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (BKs). All souls are ‘sons’ of Shiva (as souls) and so they are called ShivKumars, not (Shiv)Kumaris. You have to imbibe all these aspects. ONLY when You continue to stay in constant Remembrance would You be able to imbibe them. ONLY by staying in Remembrance will the ‘vessels’ of your intellects be cleansed.”

UNLESS & UNTIL the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, have the CLEAR faith that their ‘Parlokik’ PARENT (‘Parlokik’ Father, AS WELL AS, ‘Parlokik’ Mother) is the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or GodAND - that their ‘Alokik’ Parent is REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev (EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Father or JagadPita, or PrajaPita, AS WELL AS, INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, or INCOGNITO JagadAmba) – NOTHING of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita) - spoken ONLY by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba – can EVER sit in their intellects in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


सिर्फ तुम बच्चे ही 84 जन्म लेते हो, सब नहीं ले सकते। यह बेहद का बाप तुमको डायरेक्ट समझा रहे हैं, और बच्चे फिर मुरली सुनेंगे वा पढ़ेंगे, या टेप सुनेंगे। टेप भी सब नहीं सुन सकते।
“ONLY You Children take 84 births. Not everyone can do so. The Unlimited Father explains this to You Children DIRECTLY. Other Children will simply listen to the Murli (being read), or will read (the Murli, themselves), or will listen to the tape. Not everyone can listen to the tape.”

As per Drama Plan, ONLY the MOST ELEVATED Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, EVEN among those who take the FULL 84 births, will be able to listen to Incorporeal God Father Shiva, DIRECTLY, through the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba!


मनुष्य तो माला फेरते ‘राम-राम’ जपते हैं। ‘रुद्राक्ष की माला’ कहते हैं ना। अब रुद्र तो है भगवान्। फिर इस माला में मेरु दाना इकट्ठा है। वह तो विष्णु के युगल स्वरूप हैं। वह कौन हैं? यह मात-पिता, जो फिर विष्णु के दो रूप लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनते हैं इसलिए इनको मेरु कहा जाता है। फूल है शिवबाबा, फिर मेरु यह मम्मा-बाबा, जिनको ‘मात-पिता’ कहते हो। विष्णु को ‘मात-पिता’ नहीं कह सकेंगे। लक्ष्मी-नारायण को ‘मात-पिता’ तो उनके बच्चे ही कहेंगे।
“People simply turn the (beads of a) rosary and chant (the name) ‘RAMA, Rama’. They speak of the ‘Rosary of Rudra’. Rudra is God (‘Bhagwan’). Then there is the ‘dual-bead’ in this Rosary, which represents the dual-form of Vishnu. Who are they? They are THIS (‘Alokik’) Mother and Father (Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe & Brahma Baba or soul of DLR), who become the dual-form of Vishnu, Lakshmi & Narayan (in the beginning of Golden Age), which is why they are called the ‘dual-bead’ (‘meru’). ShivBaba is the ‘Tassel’, and then the ‘dual-bead’ is THIS (‘Alokik’) Mama (Om Radhe) and (‘Alokik’) Baba (DLR), who are called the (‘Alokik’) Mother & Father. Vishnu (in Golden Age) would not be called Mother & Father (by EVERYONE). Only Lakshmi and Narayan’s children would call them mother and father.”

In the ‘Rosary of Rudra’, the ‘Tassel’ (‘phool’) represents the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, ALONE; and the ‘dual-bead’ (‘meru’) represents Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe & Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - who, themselves, THEN become the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns Empress Shri Lakshmi & Emperor Shri Narayan, in the beginning of Golden Age - symbolically represented by the four-armed, or dual-form of Vishnu, or MahaLakshmi – by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns in the Confluence Age!


तुम बच्चों को यह अविनाशी ज्ञान रत्नों का दान मिलता है, जिससे तुम भविष्य में मालामाल डबल सिरताज बनते हो। देखो, श्रीकृष्ण को दोनों ताज है ना? फिर वही बच्चा चन्द्रवंशी में आता है, तो दो कला कम हो जाती हैं। फिर वैश्य वंशी में आयेंगे, तो और 4 कला कम हो जायेगी। फिर लाइट का ताज उड़ जायेगा। बाकी रत्न जड़ित ताज रहेगा। फिर जो अच्छा दान-पुण्य करते हैं, उनको एक जन्म के लिये अच्छी राजाई मिलती है। फिर दूसरे जन्म में भी अच्छा दान-पुण्य किया, तो फिर भी राजाई मिल सकती है। यहाँ तो तुम 21 जन्मों के लिए राजाई पा सकते हो, मेहनत करनी पड़ती है।
“You Children are receiving the donation of these imperishable Jewels of Knowledge, through which You become prosperous and double-crowned in the future. Look, (the picture of) Shri Krishna has both crowns, is it not? Then, when that SAME Child goes into the Moon Dynasty, he has TWO degrees less. Then, when he goes into the ‘merchant dynasty’, he loses FOUR more degrees, and his ‘crown of light’ would disappear; only the ‘crown of jewels’ would remain. Thereafter, whoever gives a lot of donations, or performs a lot of charity, receives a good sovereignty (for one birth). Then, in their next birth, if they also donate a lot again, they can also receive sovereignty, once again. Here, You can claim a Sovereignty for 21 births, but You do have to make effort.”

The MOST ELEVATED souls who are SIXTEEN celestial degrees pure, in the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age, lose TWO degrees by the END of Golden Age, and lose FOUR more degrees by the END of Silver Age; which would imply that they would THEN lose FOUR more degrees by the end of Copper Age, to have LESS than ONE degree left by the VERY END of Iron Age!

This is a UNIQUE point of Knowledge, which CLARIFIES that the purity of SUCH souls, would be TEN celestial degrees in the beginning of Copper Age, and NOT EIGHT celestial degrees, as was hitherto considered to be the case, by most Brahmin souls!


जब देवी-देवता वाम मार्ग में गिरते हैं, तो उस समय अर्थक्वेक बड़ी जोर की होती है, फिर सब नीचे चला जाता है। और खण्ड आदि तो होते नहीं, भारत ही होता है। इस्लामी आदि तो पीछे आते हैं, तो फिर वह सतयुग की चीजें यहाँ रहती नहीं। तुम जो सोमनाथ का मन्दिर देखते हो, वह कोई वैकुण्ठ का नहीं है। यह तो भक्ति मार्ग में बना है, जिसको मुहम्मद गज़नवी आदि ने लूटा। बाकी देवताओं के महल आदि सब अर्थक्वेक में गायब हो जाते हैं। ऐसे नहीं कि महल के महल नीचे गये हैं, वही फिर ऊपर आ जायेंगे। नहीं! वह तो अन्दर ही टूट-फूट सड़ जाते हैं। फिर उसी समय खोदते हैं, तो कुछ न कुछ मिलता है। अभी तो कुछ भी नहीं मिलता है। ... परन्तु तुम्हारे सिवाए कोई समझ न सके।
When the Deities fall onto the ‘path of sin’, there are severe earthquakes, and everything goes underground. No other lands exist, only Bharat exists (at that time). Those of Islam, etc., come later on, WHEN the things of the Golden Age do not remain here. The Somnath Temple that You see, was not built in Heaven. It was built on the ‘path of Devotion’, and was looted by Mahmud Guznavi, and others. However, the palaces of the Deities, etc., all vanish in the earthquakes. It is not that all the palaces go down below, and that the VERY SAME will then come up again. No! They break underground and disintegrate. If excavations are made at that time, something might be found, but nothing would be found now. ... However, no one else, other than You, can comprehend this.”

The palaces and everything else, of the end of Silver Age, get destroyed in the SEVERE earthquakes of THAT period of time, and disintegrate underground. The VERY SAME palaces DO NOT come up again in the beginning of Golden Age - WHEN ALL the grand palaces, studded with diamonds, jewels and precious stones, would be built ANEW, VERY QUICKLY, with the latest developments of scientific technologies available during this period!

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Post by Golden Heart » 29 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 30.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
यह तो समझाया गया है - ज्ञान और भक्ति। सतयुग त्रेता है ज्ञान की प्रालब्ध। अभी तुम ज्ञान सागर से ज्ञान पाकर, पुरुषार्थ से, अपनी सदा सुख की प्रालब्ध बना रहे हो, फिर द्वापर-कलियुग में भक्ति होती है। ज्ञान की प्रालब्ध सतयुग-त्रेता तक चलती है। ज्ञान का सुख तो 21 पीढ़ी चलता है। वह हैं स्वर्ग के सदा सुख। नर्क का है अल्पकाल क्षण भंगुर सुख।
“It has been explained that there is Knowledge and Devotion. The Golden and Silver Ages are the reward (or ‘fruit’) of Knowledge. You are NOW receiving Knowledge from the Ocean of Knowledge, and creating your reward of constant Happiness by making effort. Then, in the Copper and Iron Ages, there will be Devotion. The reward of Knowledge continues through the Golden and Silver Ages. The Happiness of Knowledge continues for 21 generations. That is the constant Happiness of Heaven. In Hell, there is transitory, fleeting happiness.”

The reward (or ‘fruit’) of Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog (TRUE Gita) – received from Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba - in Confluence Age ITSELF, in the form the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya - continues through the Golden and Silver Ages, during the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Day of Brahma’.

While, the reward (or ‘fruit’) of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge - (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) – received from the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - in Confluence Age ITSELF, in the form of the ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya - continues through the Copper and Iron Ages, during the ‘Night of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of Brahma’!


बाप आकर ब्रह्मा द्वारा ज्ञान देकर स्वर्ग की स्थापना करते हैं; और शंकर द्वारा विनाश, विष्णु द्वारा पालना कराते हैं। परमात्मा के कर्तव्य को कोई समझते नहीं। मनुष्य को ‘पाप आत्मा’, ‘पुण्य आत्मा’ कहा जाता है, ‘पाप परमात्मा’, ‘पुण्य परमात्मा’ नहीं कहा जाता। महात्मा को भी ‘महान् आत्मा’ कहेंगे, ‘महान् परमात्मा’ नहीं कहेंगे।
The Father comes, GIVES You Knowledge through Brahma and (Himself) establishes Heaven. He GETS destruction carried out through Shankar, and sustenance carried out through Vishnu. No one understands the Acts of God. Human beings are said to be ‘sinful souls’, or ‘charitable souls’. It is not said: ‘Sinful Supreme Soul’, or ‘Charitable Supreme Soul’. An enlightened soul would be called a ‘great soul’; he would NOT be called a ‘great Supreme Soul’. ”

NO embodied human soul can EVER be called as the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’)!

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God establishes REAL Heaven, HIMSELF, as ‘Karanhar’ (One who Acts DIRECTLY), ONLY THROUGH His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR - in Confluence Age ITSELF!

Whereas, He GETS destruction carried out through Shankar – as ‘KaranKaravanhar’ – at the end of Confluence Age – AND - He GETS the PRACTICAL sustenance, carried out through Vishnu (who symbolically represents the COMBINED form of Empress Shri Lakshmi & Emperor Shri Narayan) – as ‘Karavanhar’ (One who Acts through OTHERS) – more SPECIFICALLY, in the beginning of Golden Age – and, GENERALLY, through the HIGHEST World Sovereigns of Golden & Silver Ages, during RamRajya, or during the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or during the ‘Day of Brahma’!


भारत को माताओं द्वारा फिर से स्वर्ग बनाता हूँ। यह है शिव शक्ति, पाण्डव सेना। पाण्डवों की प्रीत एक बाप से है। उन्हों को बाप पढ़ाते हैं। शास्त्र आदि हैं सब भक्ति मार्ग की सामग्री। वह है भक्ति कल्ट। अभी बाप आकर सबको भक्ति का फल ज्ञान देते हैं, जिससे तुम सद्गति में जाते हो। सद्गति दाता सबका बाप एक ही है।
“I make Bharat into Heaven through You Mothers, once again. You are the ShivShaktis, Pandava Army. Pandavas have Love for ONE Father. The Father is TEACHING them. All the Scriptures, etc., are the paraphernalia of the ‘Path of Devotion’, which is the cult of Devotion. The Father NOW comes and gives everyone Knowledge, the fruit of Devotion, through which You go into Salvation. The Bestower of Salvation, the Father of all, is ONLY ONE.”

All the FALSE Scriptures, FALSE Gita, etc. - of the outer World of Ravan Rajya - are the paraphernalia of the ‘Path of Devotion’, which is the cult of Devotion – the EXACT ‘shooting’ of which takes place - more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!


मनुष्यों को तो यह पता नहीं है कि लक्ष्मी-नारायण और राधे-कृष्ण का क्या कनेक्शन है? वह राजकुमारी, वह राजकुमार, अलग-अलग राज्य के हैं। ऐसे नहीं कि दोनों ही आपस में भाई-बहिन हैं। वह अलग अपनी राजधानी में थी, कृष्ण अपनी राजधानी का राजकुमार था। उन्हों का स्वयंवर होता है, तो लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनते हैं।
“People DO NOT know what the connection is between Lakshmi & Narayan, and Radhe & Krishna (of Golden Age). That Princess, and that Prince, are each from SEPARATE Kingdoms. It is NOT that they are brother and sister. She was in her SEPARATE Kingdom, and Krishna was a Prince in his OWN Kingdom. When their coronation takes place, they became Lakshmi & Narayan (of the beginning of Golden Age).

Prince Shri Krishna of the beginning of Golden Age is from a SEPARATE Kingdom, with SEPARATE set of corporeal parents; and Princess Shri Radhe of the beginning of Golden Age is from a SEPARATE Kingdom, with SEPARATE set of corporeal parents, who is born 2 to 3 years AFTER the birth of Prince Shri Krishna. AFTER their coronation, they ascend the Throne, as Empress Shri Lakshmi & Emperor Shri Narayan – whose COMBINED form is SYMBOLICALLY represented as Vishnu, or MahaLakshmi – being the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns in the beginning of Golden Age, by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns in Confluence Age!


तुम बच्चे जानते हो, हम अपने परमपिता परमात्मा बाप से सहज राजयोग सीखते हैं - नर से नारायण, नारी से लक्ष्मी बनने के लिये। यह स्कूल है। उन सतसंगों आदि में तो कोई एम आब्जेक्ट नहीं होती। वेद-शास्त्र आदि सुनाते रहते हैं।
“You Children know that You are Studying easy RajYog from your Father, Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva), in order to change from an ordinary man into Narayan, and an ordinary woman into Lakshmi. This is a (Spiritual) School (Seminary). There is no aim or objective in those Spiritual gatherings. They simply continue to relate the Vedas and Scriptures, etc.

There is NO, MOST ELEVATED aim or objective of claiming the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, in those FALSE Spiritual gatherings of Ravan Rajya, where they simply continue to relate the Vedas and ALL the FALSE Scriptures, FALSE Gita, etc., which are the paraphernalia of the ‘Path of Devotion’ – the EXACT ‘shooting’ of which takes place - more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!

Therefore, the INADVERTENT & CONSEQUENTIAL aim or objective of the BLIND Unrighteous children, is to claim the ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of Ravan Rajya – being the reward (or ‘fruit’) of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) – initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - in Confluence Age ITSELF - which continues through the Copper and Iron Ages, during the ‘Night of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of Brahma’!


इनकारपोरियल गॉड फादर ही आकर पढ़ाते हैं। उनको भी जरूर शरीर चाहिए। जरूर ब्रह्मा तन में आना पड़े। शिवबाबा तो तुम सब आत्माओं का बाप है। प्रजापिता भी गाया हुआ है। पिता तो बाप ठहरा ना। ब्रह्मा को ‘ग्रेट ग्रेट ग्रैन्ड फादर’ कहा जाता है। आदि देव और आदि देवी दोनों बैठे हैं, तपस्या कर रहे हैं। तुम भी तपस्या कर रहे हो। यह है राजयोग। सन्यासियों का है हठयोग। वह कभी राजयोग सिखला नहीं सकते। गीता आदि जो भी शास्त्र हैं, वह सब हैं भक्ति मार्ग की सामग्री। पढ़ते आये हैं, परन्तु तमोप्रधान बन गये हैं।
“Incorporeal God Father, Himself, comes and TEACHES You (through Brahma Baba, soul of DLR). He too definitely needs a body. He definitely has to enter the body of Brahma (soul of DLR). ShivBaba is the Father of all of You souls. PrajaPita has also been remembered. ‘Pita’ is your (‘Alokik’) Father. Brahma (soul of DLR) is called the ‘great-great-grandfather’. Both Adi Dev (Brahma Baba, soul of DLR) and Adi Devi (Saraswati Mama, soul of Om Radhe) are sitting here, doing ‘tapasya’. You too are doing ‘tapasya’. This is RajYog. Sannyasis have ‘hatha Yoga’; they can NEVER teach RajYog. The Gita, and all the Scriptures, etc., are the paraphernalia of the ‘Path of Devotion’. They have been studying those, but they have become impure.”

ALTHOUGH the BLIND Unrighteous children, CONTINUE to study the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, EXTENSIVELY & EXHAUSTIVELY - (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) – initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - in Confluence Age ITSELF – they CONTINUE to become impure, since they are NOT ABLE to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONEas a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering themselves ALSO as souls – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy – owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED, INVERTED & DEGRADED STONE intellects, AFTER EXPOSURE to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge!


यह साइन्स बुद्धि का चमत्कार है, जो इन्वेन्शन निकालते रहते हैं। विमान आदि बनाते हैं, सुख के लिए। फिर पिछाड़ी में इनके द्वारा ही विनाश होता है। यह सुख का हुनर भारत में रह जायेगा। दु:ख का हुनर, मारने आदि का ख़लास हो जायेगा। साइन्स का अक्ल चला आता है।
“It is the wonder of a scientific intellect which keeps on making (new) inventions. They invent ‘vimanas’ (planes) etc., for happiness. Then, at the end, destruction takes place only through them. (Scientific) skills for happiness will continue to exist in Bharat; and the (scientific) skills for sorrow, and for killing one another, will end. The wisdom of (constructive) science will continue (in the New World).

The wisdom, in the form of the LATEST scientific technologies, developed till the VERY END of Iron Age, or the VERY END of Confluence Age - ONLY for CONSTRUCTIVE purposes - will CONTINUE in the New World of RamRajya, during Golden & Silver Ages, or during the ‘Day of Brahma’, or during the ‘Day of the Cycle’!


‘आत्मा सो परमात्मा’ कहना यह तो बहुत बड़ी भूल है। अभी है तमोप्रधान व्यभिचारी भक्ति। जो आया, उनको बैठ पूजते हैं। अव्यभिचारी एक की याद को कहा जाता है। अब व्यभिचारी भक्ति का भी अन्त होना है। बाप आकर बेहद का वर्सा देते हैं। सभी को सुख देने वाला एक बाप है, दूसरा न कोई। बाप कहते हैं, मुझ एक के साथ बुद्धियोग जोड़ने से ही अन्त मती सो गति हो जायेगी। मैं हूँ ही स्वर्ग का रचयिता।
It is a very great mistake to say that ‘the soul is the Supreme Soul’. Devotion is now ‘tamopradhan’ and ADULTERATED. They just sit and worship whoever comes in front of them. The Remembrance of ONE is called UNADULTERATED (Remembrance). Adulterated Devotion is now to end. The Father comes and gives You your Unlimited inheritance. The One who gives everyone Happiness is ONE Father, and none other. The Father says: By connecting the Yoga of your intellects with Me, ALONE, your ‘final thoughts will lead You to your destination’. I am the Creator of Heaven.”

The Defamer Of God - who is ACTUALLY the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, ‘Shiv-Shankar-Bholenath’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – commits the GREATEST Spiritual BLUNDER, by implying that he, himself, is the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’), and ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’, etc. - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

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Post by Golden Heart » 30 Oct 2018

PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 31.10.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
तो बाप समझाते हैं, मुझे भी जरूर रथ तो चाहिए ना। मुझ पतित-पावन को जरूर पतित दुनिया में आना पड़े ना। प्लेग की बीमारी होती है, तो डॉक्टर को प्लेगियों के पास आना पड़ेगा। बाप कहते हैं, तुम्हारे में 5 विकारों की बीमारी आधाकल्प की है। मनुष्य तो दु:ख देने वाले हैं। इन 5 विकारों से तुम बिल्कुल ही पतित बन गये हो। तो बाप समझाते हैं, मुझे पतित दुनिया में ही आना पड़े ना।
“The Father explains: I too definitely need a Chariot. I, the Purifier, definitely have to come into the impure World. When there is a disease of plague, doctors have to come to those who have the plague. The Father says: You have had the illness of the five vices in You for half the Cycle. Human beings only cause sorrow. You have become completely impure with these five vices. Therefore, the Father explains: I have to come ONLY into the impure World.

Since patients of plague, who had to be quarantined, could not go to a doctor themselves, hence the doctor had to go to the patients of plague to try and cure them.

Since impure embodied souls CANNOT go back to the Soul World, UNTIL & UNLESS they become pure again, hence the Supreme Soul has to come into the impure World, in order to purify the embodied souls, once again, so that they become soul-conscious, only after which they can go back to their Sweet Silence Home – the Soul World, or the Supreme Abode.


तो बाप कहते हैं, मैं आऊं तो कैसे आऊं, किसके शरीर में आऊं? पहले तो मुझे प्रजापिता चाहिए। सूक्ष्म वतनवासी को यहाँ कैसे ले आ सकता? वह तो फरिश्ता है ना। उनको पतित दुनिया में ले आऊं - यह तो दोष हो जाए। कहेंगे, मैंने क्या गुनाह किया? बाप बड़ी रमणीक बातें समझाते हैं। समझेगा वही, जो बाप का बना होगा, घड़ी-घड़ी बाप को याद करता रहेगा।
“The Father says: When I come, how should I come? In whose body should I come? First of all, I need ‘PrajaPita’ (‘Father of the People’ – soul of DLR). How could the one who is a (SYMBOLIC, REPRESENTATIVE) resident of the Subtle Region be brought here? That one is an (SYMBOLIC) angel (representing the FUTURE perfect form of Brahma Baba, ONLY DURING the period, WHEN Brahma Baba enacts the role of ‘PrajaPita’, through his own corporeal body, on this corporeal sphere, UNTIL 1969). It would be a mistake if I were to bring that one (symbolic, representative, PERFECT FUTURE form of Brahma Baba) into the impure World. That one would say: ‘What sin have I committed’? The Father explains very entertaining aspects to You. ONLY THOSE who belong to the Father, and who continuously Remember the Father, will understand (these aspects, in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE).

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God has to enter the corporeal body of His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLRas His EXCLUSIVE ‘mukrar-rath’, in ‘Sakar’ – and NOT the symbolic, representative, PERFECT FUTURE form of Brahma Baba – who is seen in the Subtle Region as Subtle Brahma, by selected trance messengers, ONLY DURING the period, WHEN Brahma Baba enacts the role of ‘PrajaPita’, through his corporeal body, on this corporeal sphere, UNTIL 1969 – when Brahma Baba achieves his ‘sampurna karmateet avastha’, or COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE, AFTER which THAT symbolic, representative, perfect form of Subtle Brahma is NO LONGER seen as SEPARATE from ‘Avyakt’ Brahma Baba - who, THEN, CONTINUES to come to this corporeal sphere, COMBINED TOGETHER with Incorporeal God Father Shiva, as BapDada, in ‘Avyakt’, to CONTINUE performing their Spiritual tasks of World Purification & World Transformation - through designated embodied souls, ON THIS CORPOREAL SPHERE - using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED!
Hence, there is NO QUESTION of Incorporeal God Father Shiva entering the corporeal body of ANOTHER embodied soul, AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body in 1969 – as His EXCLUSIVE ‘mukrar-rath’, in ‘Sakar’! ANYONE, who claims, or implies, that he is the EXCLUSIVE ‘mukrar-rath’ of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body in 1969, has to be an IMPOSTOR!

ONLY THOSE who TRULY belong to the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God - and who continuously Remember Him, ALONE, will understand these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


तो बाप पूछते हैं - बच्चे, बताओ, मैं आऊं तो किस तन में आऊं? मुझे चाहिए भी जरूर वृद्ध अनुभवी रथ। यह जो मैंने रथ लिया है, बरोबर इनके बहुत गुरू किये हुए हैं। शास्त्र आदि पढ़ा हुआ है। यह भी लिखा हुआ है ना कि बहुत पढ़ा हुआ था। अर्जुन की बात नहीं। मुझे कोई अर्जुन वा कृष्ण का रथ थोड़ेही चाहिए। मुझे तो चाहिए ब्रह्मा का रथ, उनको ही प्रजापिता कहेंगे। कृष्ण को तो प्रजापिता नहीं कहेंगे। बाप को तो ब्रह्मा का ही रथ चाहिए, जिससे ब्राह्मणों की प्रजा रचे। ब्राह्मणों का है सर्वोत्तम कुल।
“So, the Father asks: Children, tell Me, when I come, in whose body should I come? I surely need an elderly experienced Chariot. This one (soul of DLR), whose Chariot I have taken, has truly adopted many gurus. He has studied the Scriptures, etc. It is also written that he was very well educated. This has nothing to do with Arjuna. I do not need the Chariot of Arjuna, or Krishna (of Golden Age). I need the Chariot of Brahma (of Confluence Age, who is the VERY SAME soul of Shri Krishna of Golden Age). ONLY he (Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR) can be called (REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL) PrajaPita (ALL others are IMPOSTORS). Krishna (of Golden Age) cannot be called PrajaPita (since he is only a small Child THERE). The Father ONLY NEEDS the Chariot of Brahma (of Confluence Age, who is the VERY SAME soul of Shri Krishna of Golden Age), through whom He can create the progeny of Brahmins. The (TRUE) Brahmin clan is the most elevated clan.”

REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God DOES NOT NEED the Chariot of Shri Krishna of the beginning of Golden Age, since THAT is the PURE World; whereas, He has to come ONLY in the impure World, and ONLY in the body of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, as His ‘mukrar-rath’, or APPOINTED Chariot – being the VERY SAME soul of Shri Krishna of the beginning of Golden Age. Shri Krishna of Golden Age, CANNOT be called ‘PrajaPita’ THERE, in Golden Age – but the VERY SAME soul of Shri Krishna of Golden Age, is called PrajaPita when he enacts the role of REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL EVIDENT PrajaPita Brahma, or JagadPita, on this corporeal sphere, at the end of Iron Age, during the Confluence Age – WHEN Incorporeal God Father Shiva carries out the tasks of establishment, Spiritual sustenance, and World Purification & World Transformation, ONLY THROUGH him - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, till the end of Confluence Age!


बाप कहते हैं, मेरा जन्म भी भारत में है। शिव जयन्ती भी मनाते हो। मेरे नाम तो ढेर रख दिये हैं। कहते हैं, ‘हर-हर महादेव’; सबके दु:ख काटने वाला, वह भी मैं ही हूँ, शंकर नहीं है। ब्रह्मा सर्विस पर हाज़िर है। और फिर जो स्थापना करते हैं, वही विष्णु के दो रूप से पालना करेंगे। मुझे प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा जरूर चाहिए। आदि देव का बरोबर मन्दिर भी है। आदि देव किसका बच्चा है? कोई बताये। इस देलवाड़ा मन्दिर के जो ट्रस्टी लोग हैं, वह भी यह नहीं जानते कि आदि देव है कौन? उनका बाप कौन था? आदि देव प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा है, उनका बाप है शिव। यह जगतपिता, जगत अम्बा का यादगार मन्दिर है।
“The Father says: My Birth too is in Bharat. People celebrate Shiv Jayanti. They have given Me many Names. They say, ‘Har Har Mahadev’ (‘Mahadev, the Remover of sorrow’); the One who removes everyone's sorrow is also Me, and NOT Shankar. Brahma is present on Service. THEN, the one (Brahma Baba) who carries out establishment (as an instrument of Shiva, in Confluence Age) will, himself, (be instrumental to) carry out sustenance (as Shri Narayan, in the beginning of Golden Age), through the dual-form of Vishnu (along with the soul of Saraswati Mama, as Shri Lakshmi). I definitely need PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR). There is truly the temple to Adi Dev. Whose Child is Adi Dev? Can anyone tell? Even the trustees of the Dilwala Temple do not know who Adi Dev was, or who his Father was. Adi Dev is PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR), and his Father is Shiva. This temple is the memorial of JagadAmba (Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe) and JagadPita (Brahma Baba or soul of DLR).”

The praise, ‘Har Har Mahadev’ (‘Mahadev, the Remover of sorrow’), pertains ONLY to Incorporeal God Father Shiva – and NOT to Shankar!

The Dilwala Temple also commemorates REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev – through whom, Incorporeal God Father Shiva carries out the tasks of establishment, Spiritual sustenance, and World Purification & World Transformation, in Confluence Age ITSELF – and who, himself, becomes instrumental to carry out the PRACTICAL sustenance, in the beginning of Golden Age, as Emperor Shri Narayan, along with the soul of Saraswati Mama, as Empress Shri Lakshmi (who is his Spiritual soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’) – who are, TOGETHER, represented by the SYMBOLIC dual-form of Vishnu, or MahaLakshmi!


इस आदि देव ब्रह्मा के रथ में बाप ने बैठ ज्ञान सुनाया है। कोठरी में सब बच्चे बैठे हैं। सभी का मन्दिर तो नहीं बनायेंगे। मुख्य है 108 की माला, तो 108 कोठरियां बना दी हैं। 108 की ही पूजा होती है। मुख्य है शिवबाबा, फिर ब्रह्मा-सरस्वती युगल। वह शिवबाबा है फूल। उनको अपना शरीर नहीं है। ब्रह्मा-सरस्वती को अपना शरीर है। माला शरीरधारियों की बनी हुई है।
The Father sat in the Chariot of THIS Adi Dev Brahma (soul of DLR) and spoke Knowledge (Cycle after Cycle). All the Children are sitting in the alcoves. There wouldn’t be temples built to all of them. The main ones are in the ‘Rosary of 108’, and so 108 alcoves have been built. Only 108 are worshiped. The MAIN ONE is (Incorporeal) ShivBaba, and then there is the (Spiritual) couple (corporeal) Brahma & Saraswati. (Incorporeal) ShivBaba is the Tassel (at the top). He DOES NOT have a body of His own. Brahma & Saraswati have their own bodies. The Rosary is made of bodily beings (OTHER than Incorporeal Shiva, who DOES NOT have a corporeal or a subtle body of His own).”

The MAIN ONE is the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva – followed by Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama of Confluence Age – who, themselves, THEN become the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns, Empress Shri Lakshmi & Emperor Shri Narayan, in the beginning of Golden Age – by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns in Confluence Age!


शिवबाबा है मुख्य, फिर प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा और सरस्वती भी मुख्य हैं। बाकी ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारियाँ जो-जो पुरुषार्थ करते रहते हैं, उन्हों के नाम होंगे। आगे चल तुम सब देखते रहेंगे। जब पिछाड़ी होगी, तब तुम यहाँ आकर रहेंगे। जो पक्के योगी होंगे वही रह सकेंगे।
“ (Incorporeal) ShivBaba is the MAIN One; and THEN, Prajapita Brahma and Saraswati are also main ones. THEN, there are also the names of the Brahma Kumars & Kumaris (BKs), who continue to make effort. As You progress further, You will continue to see everything. When it is the end, You will come and stay here. Only those who are firm Yogis will be able to stay here.”

SAME as the preceding point, above!


बाप कहते हैं, मुझे रथ तो जरूर चाहिए। मैं साजन बड़ा हूँ तो सजनी भी बड़ी चाहिए। सरस्वती है ब्रह्मा मुख वंशावली। वह कोई ब्रह्मा की युगल नहीं है, ब्रह्मा की बेटी है। उनको फिर जगत अम्बा क्यों कहते हैं? क्योंकि यह मेल है ना, तो माताओं की सम्भाल के लिए उनको रखा है। ब्रह्मा मुख वंशावली सरस्वती तो ब्रह्मा की बेटी हो गई। मम्मा तो जवान है, ब्रह्मा तो बूढ़ा है। सरस्वती जवान, ब्रह्मा की स्त्री शोभती भी नहीं। ‘हाफ पार्टनर’ कहला न सके। अभी तुम समझ गये हो। तो बाप कहते हैं, मुझे इस ब्रह्मा का शरीर लोन लेना पड़ता है।
“The Father says: I definitely need a Chariot. I am a Great Bride-Groom, and so I also need a great Bride. Saraswati is (also) a ‘mouth-born’ progeny of Brahma. She is not the (corporeal) wife of Brahma, she is the (Spiritual) Daughter of Brahma. Then, why is she called JagadAmba? Since THIS one (Brahma Baba) is a male, so she has been appointed to take care of the Mothers. Saraswati, the ‘mouth-born’ progeny of Brahma, becomes the (Spiritual) Daughter of Brahma. Mama is young, whereas Brahma is old. Young Saraswati, does not suit as the (corporeal) wife of (old) Brahma. She cannot be called a ‘half-partner’ (his corporeal wife). You have now understood this. So, the Father says: I have to take THIS body of Brahma on loan.”

Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe is NOT the corporeal wife of Brahma Baba or soul of DLR – she is the ‘mouth-born’ progeny of Brahma, so she becomes the Spiritual Daughter of Brahma Baba, in Confluence Age – although she is STILL his soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’, within this EWD Play!
Since REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, and who is ALSO the INCOGNITO JagadAmba of the Righteous Children, is in a male corporeal body, therefore Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe is THEN delegated with the function of EVIDENT JagadAmba, in order to take care of the Righteous Children – and TOGETHER, they become the EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Parents, or ‘Alokik’ Mother & ‘Alokik’ Father, or EVIDENT JagadAmba & EVIDENT JagadPita, of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins – who follow them, in order to claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, from Incorporeal God Father Shiva – number-wise, in ACCORDANCE with their individual Spiritual efforts made during Confluence Age!


ब्राह्मण को खिलाते हैं, तो वह आत्मा आकर ब्राह्मण के शरीर का आधार लेगी। आत्मा वह शरीर छोड़कर आती है क्या? नहीं! यह तो बच्चों को समझाया गया है कि ड्रामा में साक्षात्कार की रस्म-रिवाज पहले से नूँध है। यहाँ भी बुलाते हैं। ऐसे नहीं कि आत्मा शरीर छोड़कर आयेगी। नहीं! यह ड्रामा में नूँध है।
“When a brahmin priest is fed, then that (invoked) soul comes and takes the support of the body of the brahmin. Does that soul leave own body and come here? No! It has been explained to You Children that the system of visions has been fixed in Drama from the beginning. Souls are also called here. It is NOT that, that soul will shed own body and come. No! That is fixed in Drama.

When souls are invoked, embodied souls DO NOT leave their own body, and enter the body of a brahmin. Only the souls who are NOT embodied can ACTUALLY enter the body of a brahmin!
Please view previous points in previous posts, for greater clarification of this aspect, in this topic.


बाप कहते हैं, मैंने जिसमें प्रवेश किया है, इसने बहुत गुरू किये, शास्त्र पढ़े हैं, जन्म भी पूरे 84 लिए हुए हैं। यह नहीं जानता, हम तुमको इन सहित बताता हूँ; ब्रह्मा को भी बतलाता हूँ। सदैव भी तो सवारी नहीं कर सकता हूँ। ब्रह्मा मुख वंशावली ब्राह्मणों को बतलाता हूँ। मुझे रथ भी चाहिए ना? तुम बच्चे याद करते हो, और मैं आ जाता हूँ। मुझे तो सर्विस करनी है, तो श्री श्री शिव की मत से भारत पावन बनता है। ... श्री श्री तो है शिवबाबा। फिर सूक्ष्मवतनवासी ब्रह्मा, विष्णु, शंकर, फिर श्री लक्ष्मी-नारायण। यह समझने की बातें हैं।
The Father says: The one in whom I have entered (Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR) has had many gurus, has studied many Scriptures, and has taken the FULL 84 births. He did not know that. I tell You, as well as, him (through his OWN body); I also tell Brahma all of this. I cannot always be riding (in the Chariot). I tell everything to the Brahmins, the ‘mouth-born’ progeny of Brahma. I do need a Chariot, is it not? You Children remember Me, and I come. I have to do (Spiritual) Service, and so Bharat becomes pure through the directions of Shri Shri Shiva. ... Shri Shri is ShivBaba. THEN, there are Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar, the residents of the Subtle Region; and THEN, Shri Lakshmi & Shri Narayan (of this corporeal World). These aspects have to be understood (in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE).”

The Highest-on-High is Shri Shri Incorporeal God Father Shiva, followed by the subtle Deities of the Subtle Region - Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar – followed by Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama of Confluence Age – who, themselves, become the HIGHEST PRACTICAL World Sovereigns, Empress Shri Lakshmi & Emperor Shri Narayan, in the beginning of Golden Age – by virtue of having been the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL World Sovereigns in Confluence Age!

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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 01.11.2018 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
दुनिया में मनुष्य गाते हैं, ‘तुम मात-पिता ..’, परन्तु किसके लिए गाते हैं, यह नहीं जानते। यह भी वन्डरफुल बात है। सिर्फ कहने मात्र कह देते हैं। तुम बच्चों की बुद्धि में है कि बरोबर यह ‘मात-पिता’ कौन है। यह परमधाम का रहवासी है। परमधाम एक ही है, सतयुग को परमधाम नहीं कहा जाता।
“ In the World, people sing, ‘You are the Mother & Father ..’, but they DO NOT know (EXACTLY) to whom they are singing to. This is also a wonderful aspect. They simply say this for the sake of (saying) it. You Children have in your intellects as to who TRULY this ‘Mother & Father’ is. He is the Resident of the Supreme Abode. There is ONLY ONE Supreme Abode. The Golden Age cannot be called the ‘Supreme Abode’. ”

The renowned praise, ‘You are the Mother & Father ..’, pertains to ONLY ONE Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE!


यह है ‘रुद्र ज्ञान यज्ञ’। ‘रुद्र’ निराकार को कहा जाता है, कृष्ण को नहीं कहेंगे। ‘रुद्र’ नाम ही है निराकार का। बहुत नाम सुन मनुष्य समझते हैं, रुद्र अलग है और सोमनाथ अलग है।
“This is the ‘sacrificial Fire of the Knowledge of Rudra’. The Incorporeal One is called ‘Rudra’, Krishna cannot be called that. The name ‘Rudra’ is ONLY of the Incorporeal One. Hearing many names, people think that ‘Rudra’ is separate, and ‘SomNath’ is separate.”

BOTH the terms, ‘Rudra’ and ‘SomNath’, pertain to ONLY ONE Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, ALONE!


तो बाप समझाते हैं, कृष्ण को भगवान् कह नहीं सकते। भगवान् तो एक निराकार परमपिता परमात्मा को ही कहा जाता है, जो जन्म-मरण रहित है। ... भगवान् तो है ही एक।
“The Father explains that Krishna CANNOT be called God (‘Bhagwan’). ONLY ONE Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Shiva), who is beyond birth and death, can be called God (‘Bhagwan’). ... There is ONLY ONE God (‘Bhagwan’).

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he, himself, is the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’) & ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’ - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


कर्मों का फल 21 जन्मों के लिए अभी तैयार कराया जाता है। संगमयुग के पुरुषार्थ की प्रालब्ध 21 पीढ़ी चलती है।
“The Fruit of actions for 21 births (during Golden & Silver Ages) is being prepared NOW (in Confluence Age). The reward, (or Fruit), of the efforts of the Confluence Age, continues for 21 generations (during RamRajya).”

The reward, or Fruit, of the efforts of the Confluence Age, made through the Study of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), continues for 21 generations, in RamRajya, during Golden & Silver Ages - in REAL RAMA’s (Shiva’s) REAL Heaven, or TRUE Paradise – comprising of the Sun Dynasty & Moon Dynasty Clans (‘Suryavanshi’ & ‘Chandravanshi’).

Whereas, the reward, or ‘fruit’, of the efforts of the latter part of the Confluence Age, made through the study of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) – also continue for 21 generations, in Ravan Rajya – more SPECIFICALLY, during Copper Age – in APPARENT Rama’s (Ravan’s) APPARENT ‘Heaven’, or FALSE ‘Paradise’ - also comprising of ‘sun dynasty’ & ‘moon dynasty’ clans (‘suryavanshi’ & ‘chandravanshi’)!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


ब्राह्मण खिलाते हैं, तो आत्मा को बुलाते हैं ना। फिर वह आत्मा ब्राह्मण में आकर बोलती है। तीर्थों पर भी खास जाकर बुलाते हैं। अब आत्मा को कितना समय हो गया, फिर वह आत्मा कैसे आती है, क्या होता है? बोलती है, ‘मैं बहुत सुखी हूँ, फलाने घर जन्म लिया है’। यह क्या होता है? क्या आत्मा निकलकर आई? बाप समझाते हैं, मैं भावना का भाड़ा देता हूँ और वे खुश हो जाते हैं। यह भी ड्रामा में राज़ है। बोलते हैं, तो पार्ट चलता है। कोई ने नहीं बोला, तो नूंध नहीं है।
“When they feed a brahmin (priest), they invoke a soul, (it APPEARS that) that soul then enters the body of the brahmin and speaks. People especially go on pilgrimages and invoke souls. That soul has been gone for so long, so how does he come? What happens? The soul says, ‘I am very happy. I have taken birth in such-and-such a home’. What happens there? Is it that the soul left (own body) and came? The Father explains: I give them the ‘fare’, (or ‘fruit’), of their devotion and they become happy. This too is a secret in Drama. (It APPEARS that) they (invoked souls ACTUALLY come and) speak, and so that part continues. If someone does not speak, it is because it is not fixed (in Drama, that way).”

When souls are invoked, embodied souls DO NOT leave their own body, and enter the body of a Brahmin. Only the souls who are NOT embodied can ACTUALLY enter the body of a Brahmin!
If embodied souls are invoked, they ONLY APPEAR to enter the body of the brahmin and speak, BUT it is ACTUALLY Incorporeal God Father Shiva who gives them the ‘fare’, or ‘fruit’, of their devotion and they become happy - DELUSIVELY believing that the embodied invoked souls ACTUALLY comes – which is NOT the case!

Please view previous points in previous posts, for greater clarification of this aspect, in this topic.


बाप कहते हैं, तुमको नई दुनिया का मालिक बनाता हूँ। फिर से, मैं परमधाम से पुरानी दुनिया, पुराने तन में आता हूँ। यह पूज्य था, पुजारी बना, फिर पूज्य बनता है; तत त्वम्। तुमको भी बनाता हूँ। पहला नम्बर पुरुषार्थी यह है। तब तो ‘मातेश्वरी, पिताश्री’ कहते हो। बाप भी कहते हैं, तुम तख्तनशीन होने का पुरुषार्थ करो। यह जगत अम्बा सबकी कामना पूर्ण करती है। माता है, तो पिता भी होगा, और बच्चे भी होंगे। तुम सबको रास्ता बताते हो, सब कामनायें तुम्हारी पूरी होती हैं, सतयुग में। बाबा कहते हैं, घर में रहते भी यदि पूरा योग लगायें, तो भी यहाँ वालों से ऊंच पद पा सकते हैं।
“The Father says: I make You into the Masters of the New World. I come from the Supreme Abode into the old World, and enter an old body, once again. THIS one (Brahma Baba or soul of DLR) was worthy of worship, who became a worshiper, and is becoming worthy of worship again; the same applies to You (‘tatatvam’). I also make You the same. THIS one (Brahma Baba or soul of DLR) is the NUMBER ONE effort-maker. This is why You say, ‘Mateshwari (for Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe), PitaShri (for Brahma Baba or soul of DLR)’. The Father also says: Make effort to be seated on the Throne (of the ‘Alokik’ Parents). THIS (EVIDENT) JagadAmba fulfills everyone's desires. Since there is the (EVIDENT ‘Alokik’) Mother (Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe), there must also be the (EVIDENT ‘Alokik’) Father (Brahma Baba or soul of DLR), and there must also be the (Righteous) Children. You show everyone the path. All your desires are fulfilled, in the Golden Age. Baba says: If, while living at home, You have FULL Yoga, You can claim a higher status than those who live here (inside the Yagya, or inside the Centers).

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, and who is ALSO the INCOGNITO JagadAmba, is the NUMBER ONE effort-maker, who is addressed as ‘PitaShri’, by the Righteous Children; and Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe, who is ALSO REAL Adi Devi, and who is ALSO the EVIDENT JagadAmba, is the NUMBER ONE effort-maker, among ALL the OTHER Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins (OTHER than Brahma Baba), who is addressed as ‘Mateshwari’, by the Righteous Children.

EVIDENT JagadAmba – Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe – is CONSIDERED to fulfill everyone's desires – since, BOTH, Brahma Baba, AS WELL AS, Incorporeal God Father Shiva, are her Spiritual BACK-BONE during the ENTIRE Confluence Age! Therefore, in the subtlest perspective, the Spiritual gatherings (melas) for JagadAmba, ACTUALLY commemorate ALL the THREE HIGHEST souls – Incorporeal God Father Shiva, as the INCOGNITO ‘Parlokik’ Mother; Brahma Baba, as the INCOGNITO ‘Alokik’ Mother, or INCOGNITO JagadAmba; AND, Saraswati Mama, as the EVIDENT ‘Alokik’ Mother, or EVIDENT JagadAmba – these THREE HIGHEST souls, representing the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL UNADULTERATED Trimurti of the Cycle, within this EWD Play – as bodiless souls!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

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