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Post by suryavanshi » 10 Nov 2007

Shivsena can you quote any Murli point where it is said that ''Prajapita converts the night of Brahma into day''?
Supreme Soul Shiv through Prajapita converts night of Brahma into Day of Brahma.

Murli point: 27/2/1974
Satguru aur Guru mein din raat kaa farak hain.Wah Brahma kaa din, Wah raat kar detein". Sakar Murli ...

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Post by shivsena » 11 Nov 2007

suryavanshi wrote:Satguru aur Guru mein din raat kaa farak hain.Wah Brahma kaa din, Wah raat kar detein". Sakar Murli ...
If you feel that night of brahma has been converted into day by ShivBaba, then where is Vishnu (as it is said in Murlis that brahma ka din means Vishnu should be revealed).

Also, can you tell the year when the night was converted into day by ShivBaba?

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Post by suryavanshi » 12 Nov 2007

you feel that night of Brahma has been converted into day by ShivBaba, then where is Vishnu. Can you tell the year when the night was converted into day by ShivBaba?
The Murli says that Brahma so Vishnu in one second and not about Brahma ki raat to Brahma kaa din. “Brahma so Vishnu , Vishnu so Brahma. Yah oonsein ,wah oonsein paidaa huaan.Eenko lagtaa hain ek second, oonko lagtaa hain 5 hazaar varsh." ... Murli 17/11/2000. [Brahma to Vishnu,Vishnu to Brahma.Brahma takes birth from Vishnu and Vishnu takes birth from Brahma. Brahma to Vishnu takes one second, Vishnu to Brahma takes 5000 years]

The year or month or day or in fact that second of Brahma so Vishnu has not yet come. What is unlimited Brahma ki Raat (Night of Brahma)? It means that soul of Brahma still comes in the darkness of faithlessness (Anischay roopi raat ... Agyan roopi raat). The soul of Brahma is still not firmly established in the faith of who is the God of Gita.This is because of the sanskaras of the past births in that soul. It takes time to change the sanskaras because there is no role of any magic in this Gyan. When that soul is in the light of faith (Nischay roopi Din. Gyan roopi Din), then it is called as Brahma kaa Din (Day of Brahma).

So, this wheel of faith and faithlessness (Brahma kaa Din and Brahma ki raat) is going on. This nischay (faith) and anischay (faithlessness) is similarly going on for Brahma mukhvanshavali also.” Prajapita Brahma Mukhvanshavali ghor andhiyaare mein they, toh jaroor Brahma bhi ghor andhiyaare mein hogaa.Brahma mukhvanshavali sojhre mein hain toh Brahma bhi sojhre mein hoga." Murli. 10/10/1973. [If Prajapita Brahma mukhvanshavali are in extreme darkness, then surely Brahma must be also in extreme darkness. If Brahma mukhvanshavali are in light/day, then surely Brahma must also be in light/day.]

When it will be firmly established in the soul of Brahma that God of Gita is Shiv-Shankar bholenath and not Krishna, that second is called as Brahma so Vishnu.From that second, we call that Vishnu is now in practical. Because Vishnu is not a clash of swabhav and sanskars but a perfect balance of swabhav and sanskars of 5 souls. Now, there is a clash of swabhav and sanskars. Vishnu has only one face (one opinion, one mat) unlike Ravan who has many faces (many opinion, many mat). All souls who are part of Vishnu will believe in One (One face, one opinion).They will be the helpful hands (sahyogi bhoojaye) of One and not the other. So, that from of Vishnu is not yet in existence. It is the form of the future. So, it is Ravan Rajya (kingdom of Ravan) and not Vishnu kaa rajya (kingdom of Vishnu).

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Post by shivsena » 12 Nov 2007

suryavanshi wrote:Because Vishnu is not a clash of swabhav and sanskars but a perfect balance of swabhav and sanskars of 5 souls. Now, there is a clash of swabhav and sanskars. So, it is Ravan Rajya (kingdom of Ravan) and not Vishnu kaa rajya (kingdom of Vishnu).
Can you please clarify which kingdom is Ravan Rajya, where there is clash of swabhav and sanskars.

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Post by suryavanshi » 12 Nov 2007

Can you please clarify which kingdom is Ravan Rajya, where there is clash of swabhav and sanskars.
It is clear that there is Ravan Rajya in the BK world. Even in the PBK world, there is Ravan Rajya (currently) numberwise. In the PBK world also, leave the swabhav and sanskars of the so called PBKumars and PBKumaris, there is not even balance between the swabhav and sanskars of Mother and Father (who are part of Vishnu) from whom we children (PBKs) are born.

So, there is no question of kingdom of Vishnu at present.

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Post by shivsena » 13 Nov 2007

suryavanshi wrote:It is clear that there is Ravan Rajya in the BK world. Even in the PBK world, there is Ravan Rajya (currently) numberwise ...
Since you agree that there is Ravan Rajya in advance family, then you will also agree that the omnipotent ShivBaba is not playing the part of bap-teacher-Satguru, that it is brahma ki raat in the Advance Party and the true Gita knowledge, which will unite the PBKs in universal brotherhood, will be given sometime in future.

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Post by andrey » 13 Nov 2007

It is said in the Murli that, "I come in hell and give you the inheritance of heaven". So just because it is hell now, it does not mean he has not come. Just the other way round, if it is hell then it is very likely that he has come.

Although it may seem ambiguous but i would also like to add one more point. Whatever brother suryavanshi has said is correct. However, despite the seeming controversy as said in one VCD that this is a variety tree all types of souls are there, so is it possible that there is such a couple that from the beginning till the end who never fight. It is possible. It is regarding Vishnu. That they may not work together, does not mean they clash.

Also it is not right to ask where is Vishnu? Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar are there all the time in the Drama, we just come to understand who are they. It is different who has reached what stage and when an this is where we differ. The rest, you also point to the same personality.

Regarding Brahma's day and night, if you say that it is the soul of Krishna speaking through the Chariot and this soul of Krishna is in the night, then who will be this personality that will bring this soul of Krishna into day, or will he bring himself in the day on his own? And if there is some other personality who will become instrumental to bring the day for Brahma, this personality - will he himself be in day or in night? And if he is in day, when did he come into day? If there is such date, then this date will be the start for bringing the soul of Brahma into day and the whole world.

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Post by suryavanshi » 18 Nov 2007

Since you agree that there is Ravan Rajya in advance family, then you will also agree that the omnipotent ShivBaba is not playing the part of bap-teacher-Satguru, that it is Brahma ki raat in the Advance Party and the true Gita knowledge, which will unite the PBKs in universal brotherhood, will be given sometime in future.
Supreme Father comes at purshottam Sangamyug which last for 50-60years and teaches His children within these 50-60 years.When He comes, He is not only our Father but also teacher as well as Satguru.So, we are not only His children, but students as well as His followers.So, He is three in one. Murli points:

" Baap kahtein hain mein har kalp ke purshottam Sangamyug par aataa hoon.50-60 varsh mein Baap aakar tumko padhatein hain.Tum Bacche bhi hon,students bhi hon,followers bhi hon (Father says I come at the purshottam Sangamyug of every cycle.In 50-60 years, Father comes and teaches His children.You are children also,students also,followers also.) ...Murli. 8/9/1968

"yah purshottam Sangamyug 50 years kaa chhota hain"(This is a small purshottam Sangamyug of 50 years.) ... Murli ... 2/3/1974.

After coming, Father takes 50-60 years to establish the kingdom of heaven. "50-60 years lagtein hain rajdhani sthaapan hone mein." (It takes 50-60 years to establish the kingdom)..Murli ..24/7/1972. So, the purshottam Sangamyug starts from 1976 which is also the year of revelation of the Father.

The word "purshottam" means purush(means aatmaa/soul) mein uttam(highest).i.e the highest among the souls. In purshottam Sangamyug, the highest among souls is revealed.Why that soul is highest among all the souls? Because that soul understands and imbibes the true knowledge and attains the highest stage possible for any human soul.The other souls attain that stage numberwise. Without true knowledge one cannot attain the highest stage. If one cannot attain the highest stage, then one cannot be considered to be superior among all the souls. So, if the highest among the souls(pursho mein uttam) has not developed that stage, then the existence of purshottam sagamyug is not possible or it is questionable but it is not so. Therefore, true Gita Gyan or in fact Gyan Amrit is narrated by Father(through Virendra Dev Dixit) from 1976 and through this Gyan only soul of Ram has attained that highest stage."Uttam sein uttam purush hain hi yah jo purshottam yug par hi bantein hain." (Highest to Highest soul is this only who becomes highest in purshottam yug only.)... Murli 10/3/1974.

The other souls are then numberwise in this.This is because each soul has its own karmic accounts and sanskaras(resolves) of past births.The shooting of past 63 births is taking place in the soul.The shooting of sorrow and happiness( kabhi sukh, kabhi dukh) is going on.This is because the soul has experienced both sorrow and happiness in the past 63 births through its own actions and has therefore, formed karmic accounts due to those actions.This shooting will go on till the karmateet awastha(stage) is reached."Tumhaari karmateet awastha hone tak rehearsal hoti rahegi." (Rehearsal/shooting will go on until your karmateet stage is reached.)...Ayakt Vani...22/6/1970. The more and more we remember the Father, the more we come near this stage because only through His remembrance the sins of past 63 births can be burnt and there is no other way.Therefore, Yaad is the main subject of RajYoga. "Baap ko Yaad karna hain tab hi kat ootregi.Mukhya hain Yaad.Yaad mein jaroor rehna hain.Nahi toh itne paap kaise vinaash honge."(Through remembrance of Father only, the rust will get clear.Important is remembrance.You should be in remembrance.Otherwise, how will so many sins be destroyed.)....Murli...4/4/2001.

So, omnipotent ShivBaba has no supernatural force to convert a simple human being into a living deity. He teaches the same knowledge and method of remembrance(Rajyog) to all and children are number wise in making efforts to become one.They are number wise in understanding knowledge. They are number wise in understanding the method of remembrance and number wise in the intensity of remembrance. "Scholarship toh oonko kahenge,jo sajaayein nahi khayenge.Oonki Yaad aur Gyan ki raftaar first class rahegi" (Scholarship is said for them who will not go through punishment.Their speed of knowledge and Remembrance will be of first class).Murli...3/1/1974.

So,the asth dev(first eight deities/first 8 beads of rudramala) will be near perfect in their understanding of knowledge and remembrance.The other beads of rudramala(100) then become numberwise in these matters.

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Post by shivsena » 04 Dec 2007

suryavanshi wrote: Supreme Father comes at purshottam Sangamyug which last for 50-60years and teaches His children within these 50-60 years.When He comes, He is not only our Father but also teacher as well as Satguru.So, we are not only His children, but students as well as His followers.So, He is three in one. Murli points:

" Baap kahtein hain mein har kalp ke purshottam Sangamyug par aataa hoon.50-60 varsh mein Baap aakar tumko padhatein hain.Tum Bacche bhi hon,students bhi hon,followers bhi hon (Father says I come at the purshottam Sangamyug of every cycle.In 50-60 years, Father comes and teaches His children.You are children also,students also,followers also.) ...Murli. 8/9/1968

"yah purshottam Sangamyug 50 years kaa chhota hain"(This is a small purshottam Sangamyug of 50 years.) ... Murli ... 2/3/1974.

After coming, Father takes 50-60 years to establish the kingdom of heaven. "50-60 years lagtein hain rajdhani sthaapan hone mein." (It takes 50-60 years to establish the kingdom)..Murli ..24/7/1972. So, the purshottam Sangamyug starts from 1976 which is also the year of revelation of the Father.

The word "purshottam" means purush(means aatmaa/soul) mein uttam(highest).i.e the highest among the souls. In purshottam Sangamyug, the highest among souls is revealed.Why that soul is highest among all the souls? Because that soul understands and imbibes the true knowledge and attains the highest stage possible for any human soul.The other souls attain that stage numberwise. Without true knowledge one cannot attain the highest stage. If one cannot attain the highest stage, then one cannot be considered to be superior among all the souls. So, if the highest among the souls(pursho mein uttam) has not developed that stage, then the existence of purshottam sagamyug is not possible or it is questionable but it is not so. Therefore, true Gita Gyan or in fact Gyan Amrit is narrated by Father(through Veerendra Dev Dixit) from 1976 and through this Gyan only soul of Ram has attained that highest stage."Uttam sein uttam purush hain hi yah jo purshottam yug par hi bantein hain." (Highest to Highest soul is this only who becomes highest in purshottam yug only.)... Murli 10/3/1974.

The other souls are then numberwise in this.This is because each soul has its own karmic accounts and sanskaras(resolves) of past births.The shooting of past 63 births is taking place in the soul.The shooting of sorrow and happiness( kabhi sukh, kabhi dukh) is going on.This is because the soul has experienced both sorrow and happiness in the past 63 births through its own actions and has therefore, formed karmic accounts due to those actions.This shooting will go on till the karmateet awastha(stage) is reached."Tumhaari karmateet awastha hone tak rehearsal hoti rahegi." (Rehearsal/shooting will go on until your karmateet stage is reached.)...Ayakt Vani...22/6/1970. The more and more we remember the Father, the more we come near this stage because only through His remembrance the sins of past 63 births can be burnt and there is no other way.Therefore, Yaad is the main subject of RajYoga. "Baap ko Yaad karna hain tab hi kat ootregi.Mukhya hain Yaad.Yaad mein jaroor rehna hain.Nahi toh itne paap kaise vinaash honge."(Through remembrance of Father only, the rust will get clear.Important is remembrance.You should be in remembrance.Otherwise, how will so many sins be destroyed.)....Murli...4/4/2001.

So, omnipotent ShivBaba has no supernatural force to convert a simple human being into a living deity. He teaches the same knowledge and method of remembrance(Rajyog) to all and children are number wise in making efforts to become one.They are number wise in understanding knowledge. They are number wise in understanding the method of remembrance and number wise in the intensity of remembrance. "Scholarship toh oonko kahenge,jo sajaayein nahi khayenge.Oonki Yaad aur Gyan ki raftaar first class rahegi" (Scholarship is said for them who will not go through punishment.Their speed of knowledge and Remembrance will be of first class).Murli ... 3/1/1974.

So,the asth dev(first eight deities/first 8 beads of rudramala) will be near perfect in their understanding of knowledge and remembrance.The other beads of rudramala (100) then become numberwise in these matters.
Your answer is just like andrey Bhai, completely out of context, trying to take the discussion off-track; why cannot you and andrey please be precise and stick to the point.
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