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Post by shivsena » 27 Sep 2015

I am starting this new thread-topic : ''Queries to BKs about Fallacies in BKWSU-beliefs..'' to form a database for future. ....this topic will be locked and so All brothers are requested to respond to the post(if they so desire) in the topic "Questions to Shivsena" in the same forum.

What is the correct meaning-translation of the Hindi-word "Nirakaar GOD " in English ??
Does it mean 'Incorporeal GOD" ?? ... or does it mean "Point of light GOD " ?? ... or does it mean "Formless GOD" ??

And what is the correct meaning-translation of the Hindi-word "Sakar" in English ??
Does it mean "Corporeal" ?? ... or does it mean "Chariot" ? ... or does it mean ''Personified or ''Embodiment'' form of GOD'' ??

Please share your views.

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Post by shivsena » 29 Sep 2015

To all bk-brothers.

The Chapter of Gita below describes that God is both personal(Sakar roop) and impersonal(nirakar roop)...But BKs teach us only the Nirakar bindi-roop of God, but Gita says that the best yogis are those who worship the personal form of GOD....why do BKs not teach us to remember the Sakar roop of GOD.(which is easier to remember) ??


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Bhagavad Gita in English - Chapter 12
SHOULD ONE WORSHIP A PERSONAL OR AN IMPERSONAL GOD?

Arjuna asked: Which of these has the best knowledge of Yoga---those ever-steadfast devotees who wor­ship Your personal aspect, or those who worship Your impersonal aspect, the formless Absolute? (12.01)

Lord Krishna explained the superiority of the path of spiritual knowledge in the fourth chapter (4.33, and 4.34). He explained the importance of worship of the formless Supreme (or Self) in verses 5.24-25, 6.24-28, and 8.11-13. He also emphasized the worship of God with form in 7.16-18, 9.34, and 11.54-55. It was thus natural for Arjuna to ask which path is better for most people in general.

Lord Krishna said: I consider the best yogis to be those ever steadfast devotees who worship with supreme faith by fixing their mind on Me as their personal God. (See also 6.47) (12.02)

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Post by shivsena » 08 Oct 2015

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To all bk-sisters-brothers.

The above pictures show bk-sisters tying rakhee to various VIPs on raksha-bandhan day.
Also all bk-students are also tied rakhee with pomp-and show in all bk-centers all over the world.

I would like to know when did this Bhakti-marg practice of tying rakhee start in the rudra-Gyan-Yagya ?? ....was this practice prevalent in BKWSU before 1969, when Mama-Baba were present in Sakar ?? ... Or Did the senior bk-Dadis-Didis start this practice after 1969 on their own manmat. ?? ... Are there any old pictures of Mama-Baba or senior sisters tying rakhee to anyone before 1969 ??... Were any festivals of Bhakti-marg celebrated in BKWSU when Mama-Baba were in Sakar ?? ...or they are being celebrated only after 1969, when the shooting of Brahma ki raat (night of ignorance) has started ????

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Post by shivsena » 26 Oct 2015

2-types of Gyan in Sakar Murlis:
“Nivritti-marg ka Gyan and pravritti-marg ka Gyan”.


After 10 years of studying-churning- researching on Sakar Murlis, i have come to the conclusion that Sakar Murlis contain 2-types of Gyan as per the Murli point: 9-10-04 : " Nivritti-marg walon ko pravritti-marg ki rasam-riwaz ka kuch bhi pataa nahi.” ....This Murli point is not describing the Nivritti-marg of the outside world (as most BKs think) but the point is giving a subtle hint to BKs that Nivritti-marg and pravritti-marg both exist in this Sangamyugi world of BKWSU.

Nivritti-marg ka Gyan (Dwait Gyan): Many Murli points tell us that paramatma shiv is bindi and so there must be a Chariot through which bindi-shiv can express itself.....these points are describing nivritti-marg ka Gyan and these points are very easily picked up by majority of BKs as these points are commonly repeated in Murlis daily.

Pravritti-marg ka Gyan(Adwait Gyan): In between the points of nivritti-marg, there are also points which tell us that though it is sung that paramatma is bindi, but only koto mei koi (one in ten million) will know the yatharth roop of Paramatma.....So the question arises: who is the yatharth roop of paramatma and who are these koto mei koi children who will recognise the yatharth roop.??

Both the above Gyan are hidden in Murlis and points will be interpreted as per the intellectual capacity of the soul, which will separate them into Raja(108) and praja.(9,16,000)
....the praja quality souls will just listen to Murlis as a ritual in the morning class and will never try to churn the gems of knowledge hidden in Murlis....they will take the literal meaning of Murli-mahavakyas and apply them in hadh ka drama (5000 years broad drama) and will remain completely ignorant about the Sangamyugi behad ka drama.
....whereas the 108-Raja-quality souls(Gyani-tu atmas) will have the curiosity to know more about Murli-mahavakyas and will have the discriminating power (parakhne ki shakti) to know which Murli-statement is an ordinary statement and which is a true gem of knowledge and they will have the ability to continuously churn on the gems and obtain the nectar. [“Apni ghot toh nasha chade”]

ShivBaba being Trikaldarshi Teacher has purposely incorporated both types of Gyan in Murlis, as HE has foreseen that both BKs-PBKs will believe that Nirakar shiv is bindi and will then fight on the issue of chariots.[Mu: “Vinash jwala Yagya-kund se nikli”]....while the 108 king souls of rudramala will research on the Murlis and will find out the combined Form of GOD Shiva (Maa adi-shakti Mama) and will remain gupt till the very end and take their kingdom by yogbal with Mama(personified ShivBaba)....while the bk(kauravs) and pbk(yadavs) will fight with bahubal in the near future over the Chariot and destroy their inheritance.


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Post by shivsena » 26 Oct 2015

Murlis mentions the following types of brahmins:

Half-cast and Full-cast Brahmins.
Matale and sautele bacche.
Sage and Lage bacche.
Hans and bagule bacche.
Right hand and Left hand bacche.
Saraswat and pushkarni brahmins.
Padhe and un-padhe bacche.


What is the criteria for the above categories of children to be seperated ??

Half-cast brahmins are those who recognise Father Shiv as Nirakar-bindi and will believe in the Chariot DLR(BKs) and -Virendra Dev Dixit(PBKs) ....While the full cast Brahmins will believe that Shiva is shakti and shakti is Shiva and the two cannot be seperated. Half-cast brahmins are nivritti-marg brahmins and full-cast brahmins are pravritti-marg Brahmins.

Matale-Sage-right hand bacche are pravritti-marg brahmins who will believe that Shiva and shakti are combined mat-pita....while sautele-lage-left hand bacche will believe that Father Shiva is bindi and forms pravritti with Chariot.(DLR or -Virendra Dev Dixit)....sautele(lage) bacche will never believe in the combined form of Shiva and shakti.

Hans(swans) are those bacche who will be able to distinguish between milk(gems of knowledge) and water(ordinary mahavakyas) contained in the Murlis.....while the bagulas(storks) will believe that all statements of Murli are true and will not have parakhne ki shakti as to which statement is true and which is false.

Saraswat brahmins are those Gyan-tu bacche who will recognise Maa-Jagdamba Saraswati as the personified roop of Father Shiva....while pushkarni brahmins are those who will never accept Mama as personified ShivBaba and will always accept Lekhraj Kirpalani- as the Chariot ...the rememberence of Pushkarni-brahmins is in pushkar-ajmer-rajasthan-India, where there is Brahma's temple.

Murli says: "Padhe-likhon ke aage un-padhe bhari dhoyenge"....Padhe likhe are those bacche who will study-churn the Murlis-Vanis themselves and have nischay on Mama as personified ShivBaba.....un-padhe are those bacche who just listen to Murli-Vanis without understanding or just blindly accept Aivv-guru-Virendra Dev Dixit's Murli clarifications.

The important thing to remember is that seperation criteria is based on belief and not on purusharth.
Let each bk-pbk churn on the above and decide for himself whether the above churning is right or not.

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Post by shivsena » 09 Jan 2016

Murli 22-12-15 says: "श्रीनाथ और जगन्नाथ दोनों को काला बनाया है।"

Who are Shrinath and Jagannath in Sangamyug ??/ ....and why are they shown black in Bhakti-marg ??
Please share your views.


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A Sincere Query to all bk-soul-brothers.

Black colour signifies Tamopradhan-Impure nature ... SO why is ever-pure God Shiva worshipped as black shivling and why are satopradhan Deities Shrinath and Jagannath also worshipped in black colour ?? ... and why are Lakshmi-Narayan always worshipped as fair-coloured Deities ?? ....i am not able to understand this difference.

Can any bk please throw some light on this discrepancy.

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Post by shivsena » 29 Mar 2016

Murli 21-8-15 says: " ब्रह्मा तथा ब्रह्मा मुख वंशावली ब्राह्मणों का दिन फिर उन्हीं ब्राह्मणों की रात। दिन और रात यहाँ होता है, यह कोई नहीं समझते। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा की रात, तो जरूर उनके ब्रह्मा मुख वंशावली ब्राह्मणों की भी रात होगी। आधाकल्प दिन, आधाकल्प रात।"

As per above point, Brahma ki raat aur din yahan Sangamyug par hi hote hai.... Prajapita Brahma ki raat aur Brahmano ki raat (night of ignorance) sangam par kab se shuru hui hai ??... Kya Brahma ke avaykt hone ke baad sab BKs raat (Dwapur-Kaliyug) ki suxma shooting (rehearsal) kar rahe hai ???

Brahmano ka din kab se shuru hogaa ??
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Post by shivsena » 30 Mar 2016

A Bhakti-marg query to all BKs.

In Bk-Gyan-marg, Brahma-Saraswati become Radha-Krishna who then become Lakshmi-Narayan in Satyug.....this teaching does not tally with Bhakti-yaadgaar, where Radha-Krishna are shown as eternal Lovers and Krishna never married Radha but married Rukmini.(as per the pics)...Who is Rukmini in Gyan-marg ??

Why Gyan-marg happenings do not tally with Bhakti-yaadgaar ??
Can any bk please explain.

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Post by shivsena » 02 Apr 2016

Today's Murli 2-4-16 says : "यह नहीं जानते कि मुख्य धर्मशास्त्र ही 4 हैं। इसमें डिटीज्म, ब्राह्मणिज्म भी आ जाते हैं। ब्राह्मण सो देवता, देवता सो क्षत्रिय, यह किसको पता नहीं। गाते हैं ब्राह्मण देवताए नम:। परमपिता ने ब्राह्मण, देवता, क्षत्रिय धर्म की स्थापना की, अक्षर हैं परन्तु पढ़ते ऐसे हैं जैसे तोते। यह है कांटों का जंगल। भारत गॉर्डन ऑफ फ्लॉवर था, यह भी मानते हैं। परन्तु वह कब, कैसे, किसने बनाया, परमात्मा क्या चीज है, यह कोई नहीं जानते। तो आरफन हो गये ना इसलिए यह लड़ाई-झगड़े आदि हैं। सिर्फ भक्ति में खुश होते रहते हैं।"

The above mahavakyas are describing the BKWSU-world, where BKs just keep on repeating words like a parrot but do not know the meaning of How Parampita establishes Brahmin dharm--Devta dharm--Kshatriya dharm. ... BKs-PBKs also do not know the practical form of Paramatma and so BKs-PBKs fight like orphans amongst themselves.....they only do Bhakti- and are happy in their rituals.

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Post by shivsena » 09 Apr 2016

Today's Murli 9-4-16 says : "इस विराट रूप को भी तुम ब्राह्मण बच्चे ही जानते हो, बुद्धि में सारा दिन यह बातें सुमिरण होनी चाहिए।"

Which is this viraat-roop of God ShivBaba which only Brahmin children can understand ?? ...and when will this viraat-roop be revealed to the world.?

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Post by shivsena » 21 Apr 2016

Murli 24-3-16 says : " बच्चों को बाप समझाते हैं कि पतित तो सब अपने को कहलाते ही हैं। परन्तु यह नहीं जानते कि हमको पतित कौन बनाते हैं और पावन फिर कौन आकर बनाते हैं? पतित-पावन कौन? जिसको बुलाते हैं, कुछ भी समझ नहीं सकते।"

The above point says that all BKs call themselves patit(impure) but they do not know who makes them patit-impure in Sangamyug and who makes them pavan-pure....So who is Patit-pavan Bap ?? Every year we BKs call Patit-pavan ShivBaba, but we do not understand anything. [ The above point is decribing the bk world and not the outside world ]

In the last 80 years of Yoga with bindi-ShivBaba, no bk has become Pavan...so the question arises when & who is going to make us pure from impure and HOW ???
Can any bk please explain.

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Post by shivsena » 12 May 2016

To all BKs.

Murli : 27-10-15 : "भक्ति मार्ग में भी ब्रह्म तत्व को या कोई शिव को भी याद करते हैं। परन्तु वह याद कोई यथार्थ नहीं है। बाप का परिचय ही नहीं तो याद कैसे करें।"

Bk-Bhakti-marg remembers shiv in brahm-tatwa. but that is not accurate Yaad as per above Murli point....so what is BAP ka accurate parichay ??

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Post by shivsena » 02 Jun 2016

A must-read Vani-point for all BKs.

Avaykt-Vani : 30.5.73.पृ.81 : " हरेक को अपनी जिम्मेबारी आप उठानी है।अगर यह सोचेंगे की दीदी दादी व् टीचर जिम्मेबार है तो इससे सिद्ध होता की आपको भबिष्य में उन ही की प्रजा बनना है ,राजा नहीं बनना है।यह भी अधीन रहने का संस्कार हुए न ? जो अधीन रहने बाला है बह अधिकारी नही बन सकता।विश्व के राज्यभाग नही ले पता।इसलिये स्वयं के जिम्मेबार ,फिर सारे विश्व की जिम्मेबारी लेने बाले विश्व महराजन बन सकते है।"

All BKs right from top Dadis-Didis-brothers to recent BKs, all are students reading-listening the same Murlis-Vanis....there are no seperate Murlis for senior-juniors....Dadis-Didis-senior brothers are given responsibility for administration of Yagya only and no responsibility for explaining the deeper aspects of Gyan. ..each bk has to take his own responsibility as far as understanding Gyan-points in Murlis-Vanis (which are exam paper)....all BKs are most welcome to share their manthan with each other but there is no compulsion to accept anything for granted unless it appeals to their own logic and common sense....As per drama BapDada has applied this yukti(methodology) to make the students numberwise. ..so that any soul who has come in last few years also can go ahead of 40-50 years old Seniors. ("Last so fast and fast so first")

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Post by shivsena » 06 Sep 2016

A sincere query to all BKs.

Who is Maa Parvati and Parvati-putra Ganesh in Sangamyug ??
Why is Ganesh called Bappa in Bhakti ??
Why is Ganesh called Lord Vigna-vinashak in Bhakti ??

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Post by mbbhat » 06 Sep 2016

shakti wrote:Who is Maa Parvati and Parvati-putra Ganesh in Sangamyug ??
Why is Ganesh called Bappa in Bhakti ??
Why is Ganesh called Lord Vigna-vinashak in Bhakti ??
Baba says- "You all are Draupadis, Sitas, Arjun, etc. Baba even says- you all are Jagadambas. Sometimes Baba says- even pandavas are shaktis and vice-versa. So- all BKs are Parvatis, as well as Ganesh- in this perspective.

Parvati is the impure personality, who created/(gave birth) to Ganesh from the dirt from her body (lust). She had attachment. Even Ganesh was egoistic, could not recognize his own Father Shiva.

Shiv then later cuts his head (body-consiousness) and then gives new birth, from which he becomes worship-worthy. It is the new spiritual birth (from Shiva) which makes Ganesh worship-worthy, not the physical birth from Parvati.

Parvati is shown as stone-intellect (daughter of mountain), who is badly in need of amar-kathaa (story of immortality = spiritual knowledge). Shiv teaches this story/knowledge to impure brides (souls), and then she (we all) become Ganga (Knowledgeful), who then get seat at the head of Shiva. Parvati is impure, Ganga is pure, cool.
Shiva is shown with two wives- Parvati and Ganga- aim of spiritual life is to become Ganga/Ganges from Parvati.

I do not exactly know meaning of "Bappa" and "Morya". If you know and are interested, kindly put it here.

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