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Churning of soul Brother 'sita'

Post by sita » 12 Jul 2015

If shiv-Shankar bholenath is going to be revealed as God of Gita, then why this is not remembered in Bhakti-marg and why this is never mentioned in any Murli-Vani ??
On the path of Bhakti, Shankar has Ganga in his locks and these are the Ganges of knowledge, the water of knowledge that flows for the benefit of the world.

He also plays the damru. The sound of knowledge of the flute is for the sweet children, but the damru beats on both sides, for the good and the bad ones equally - so he is God, because he is God to all. Gita is also a scripture for the common people, unlike the scriptures for Brahmins only.

In the Murli it is mentioned many times that God of the Gita is Shiva, and on the path of Bhakti they associate Shiva with Shankar. It is also mentioned that he is the incorporeal one. The naked body of Shankar and his meditative state indicate his bodiless stage.

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The Trimurti and the Confluence Age

Post by sita » 21 Jul 2015

Dear brothers,

In the Murli it is said that Shiva is Trimurti. What does it mean?

On the original picture of the Trimurti, the face of the 3 murtis is the same one of Brahma baba, with no mustaches respectively. This corresponds to he common perception that Brahma Baba plays the 3 roles in some way. But then it would be called ekmurti (one murti).

It is indeed said that Brahma becomes Vishnu, so these two may be the same, but it is not said that Brahma becomes Shankar. What about the third murti. Is it possible that the first murti is corporeal and the others subtle? Does Trimurti mean different roles, or does it mean different figures, personalities?

It is said that when I come i come with the Trimurti. If we accept the coming of Shiv in 36 in Brahma Baba, in what way was the 3 murtis present at that time? How did Brahma Baba playe the role of Shankar, for e.g. around 36, if Trimurti means different roles by one and the same soul. It does mean different roles of one and the same soul, but it refers t the supreme Father shiv and not Brahma Baba. And the murtis refer to the personalities through which he plays the role. Again if it is only Brahma Baba (in corporeal or subtle form), why Trimurti and not ekmurti.

Indeed there are points in the Murli that say I come only once, I come only in this one. The interpretation is that in the form of the Father he comes once. In Brahma he comes as mother. If he comes once it means he will not go back until task is accomplished. Many points say he will be there till destruction, till kingdom is established, etc. If this is the role through Gulzar Dadi, is she part of the Trimurti? Because apart from the Trimurti there are no references about playing part through some other personality.

Indeed it is said that BapDada can enter children, narrate Murli, give power of drishti and speech, but if we like to prove it we will prove him being sarvyapi. (omnipresent).

There is difference between ekvyapi (present in one) as opposed to sarvyapi and ekmurti versus Trimurti. He is ekvyapi and Trimurti because he has one person with whom he is associated and this is Shankar. He is ekvyapi in Shankar, but is Trimurti because He plays different roles. In the Trimurti it is said that one is the Father, so what are the other ones? Mother? Child? Father and child, that is BapDada can enter children, they are part of the Trimurti so it is as good as the role of the supreme Father.

Vishnu is said to be the dual form of Lakshmi and Narayan, so Lakshmi also has part in the Trimurti. Even if we accept Brahma Baba is Narayan and Mama is Lakshmi we still have one murti missing.

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The meaning of destruction in 1976

Post by sita » 22 Jul 2015

I think the question deserves a topic of its own.

In the declaration on the picture of Lakshmi and Narayan it is written:

"Corruption, irreligiousness, unrighteousness, vices, insolvency and suffering will come to an end in Bharat within 9 years and Golden Aged Deity-world-sovereignty of Shri Lakshmi and Shri Narayana will come to be re-established soon after the forthcoming huge world destruction (June 1967)"

Destruction here is meant about vices, so it refers to people and it is about Bharat. Bharat also refers to a person. Suffering can also be turned from a crucifixion to a thorn, it is a matter of the mind. So we can expect that in 1976 vices have ended in the mind of at least two people, because for vice, we need two.

1976 is just a beginning. Destruction of irreligiousness may be interpreted like destruction of many religions and establishing of one religion. Semi-destruction is there in the confluence of Treta and Dwapar, when we have the world separated in two, and there are two religions, two kingdoms, two lands and two languages. We can expect that along with the revelation of the Father destruction of all other religions will take place. For other religions to bow down their head in front of one truth, to accept defeat and their own falsehood, to have their status destroyed and to develop inferiority complex is a matter of victory for truth, victory for the one true religion. This religion is established in the false world and it spreads. Everyone is to become a child of Brahma, so destruction means change. We change our religion from religion of the body, that is false, to the religion of the soul, that is true. Our bodily status is destroyed, our false ego, our arrogance is destroyed, our falsehood is in our mind and intellect, in our soul, and is destroyed for our own benefit.

Generally destruction is seen as something negative, but it is said many times in the Murli that it is beneficial. To destroy body-consciousness is good. To destroy means to finish. In the Murli it is said we have to adopt the stage of Shankar. If there is no destruction, establishment cannot be seen. Now, when there are many religions and many opinions, among them there is also one true one. If this does not prevail, the falsehood will continue to cast its spell.

Destruction is of the old, of the old nature, old sanskars, of the old world, of the old Brahmin world. Brahmins are effort makers, to change from a brahmin to deity, one has to leave the old world and habits. From the old world, from the old tree a single seed gets detached and gives birth to the new tree. As it slowly grows, the old one slowly begins to rot and falls down. Our aim is to become deities. We need a deity to teach us. Brahmin is a stage in between, angel is a stage in between. Whether it is Brahma or Avyakt Brahma, we have to leave both and come to a complete deity, the highest deity, the highest stage. From the False Gita of Krishna we have to move to learn the true Gita of ShivBaba.

After the destruction there will be the rule of Lakhsmi and Narayan, gateway to heaven is the Mahabharat. If we don't fight we will not enjoy heaven, and war is with the vices. In a war we have two sides. One is of the vices, so we need the other viceless side. If destruction, if war has started in 1976, then there must have been vicelessness somewhere. Quarrel is over purity. It is said that when we become pure we will need a new home. Now home of the soul, a place where our mind can rest. Destruction is connected with our perfect stage. If destruction is said for 1976, a perfects stage is said for 1976. And the birth of Lakshmi and Narayan is declared for 1976. So in some way, the only possible way, the internal way, through the mind, through remembrance, the vices must have been conquered in 1976 at least in Lakshmi and Narayan. 1976 is only the beginning, we have an example set. For us the easiest effort is to remember Narayan.

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Re: The meaning of destruction in 1976

Post by karan » 23 Jul 2015

sita wrote:In the declaration on the picture of Lakshmi and Narayan it is written:
First of all, pictures need not be perfect. Baba has said these pictures should/will be corrected. So, trying to fit something in it even if it does not match, would be a great ignorance.
"Corruption, irreligiousness, unrighteousness, vices, insolvency and suffering will come to an end in Bharat within 9 years and Golden Aged Deity-world-sovereignty of Shri Lakshmi and Shri Narayana will come to be re-established soon after the forthcoming huge world destruction (June 1967)"
Had suffering of Mr Dixit come to an end by 1976? He went to jail, was afraid and trembling when he was arrested. Even now, no sign of bliss is seen on his face.... Just spinning fairy tales???
1976 is only the beginning, we have an example set. For us the easiest effort is to remember Narayan.
Goes against the Murli point. Murli point says- it comes to END.

Also, it is clearly said "HUGE WORLD DESTRUCTION". What huge destruction has happened during or just before 1976? More fairly tales to hoodwink the innocent and the ignorant???

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Re: The meaning of destruction in 1976

Post by sita » 23 Jul 2015

First of all, pictures need not be perfect. Baba has said these pictures should/will be corrected. So, trying to fit something in it even if it does not match, would be a great ignorance.
I agree, but we can still churn on it. They may also contain and reveal some universal principles, like that perfect stage and destruction are interconnected. The more establishment - the more destruction.
Had suffering of Mr Dixit come to an end by 1976? He went to jail, was afraid and trembling when he was arrested. Even now, no sign of bliss is seen on his face....
Why does it have to be Mr. Dixit? For whoever it may be, complete lack of suffering in an external way, that no effect of suffering comes to us, will come later. First lack of suffering is the way we react, it is said don't take sorrow.
Goes against the Murli point. Murli point says- it comes to END.
Beginning of the end, beginning of destruction. Destruction will not take a second. Beginning of the end of vices, etc. First it will end in some, in few, then in more, numberwise, according to their effort.
Also, it is clearly said "HUGE WORLD DESTRUCTION". What huge destruction has happened during or just before 1976?
The huge destruction is forthcoming, it follows. The huge destruction is after 1976. IN 1976 huge destruction starts but for even a huge destruction to change the whole world starts from a tiny spark.

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Lekhraj cannot become Prajapita

Post by sita » 23 Jul 2015

"Yeh, jo Brahma vyakt hai, woh abhi Raat hai, woh fir Din baan raha hai. Abhi, yeh patit hai jo pavan baan raha hai; toh, isliyae yeh Brahma ko dikhlaate hain. Prajapita so toh yahan hi hoga... Agar Kahenge Inka antim janm kya hai (toh kahenge) Lekhraaj ya Lakhiraaj hai, per woh toh Prajapita baan nahi sakta hai. Ye Itne sabhi jo Baba-Mama kahate hain, Inko toh Prajapita nahi kahenge."

'This Brahma that is visible, that is now night, then it becomes day. Now this one is impure who is becoming pure. That's why this Brahma is shown. Prajapita will be here....If we say what is this one's last birth (it will be said) he is Lekhraj or Lakhiraaj, but he cannot be Prajapita. All of these who are called Baba-Mama, they cannot be called Prajapita.

Sakar Murli (27-08-1964, last page)
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Re: Lekhraj cannot become Prajapita ?

Post by mbbhat » 23 Jul 2015

sita wrote: "This Brahma who is visible('vyakt' or in 'Sakar'), who is now in night, then comes into day. NOW THIS ONE is impure, who is BECOMING PURE. That's why THIS Brahma is shown. Prajapita (Dada Lekhraj) has to be here....If we say what is this one's last birth (it will be said) he was Lekhraj or Lakhiraaj, but he cannot be (called) Prajapita (in his last birth, BEFORE ENTRY of ShivBaba - he becomes Prajapita ONLY AFTER ENTRY of ShivBaba, which is then considered to be the 84th birth). All of these who are called Baba-Mama (who are addressed as Father-Mother in lokik by their respective offspring), they cannot be called Prajapita."
Sakar Murli (27-08-1964, last page)
You can also hear at 55-minute onwards, in audio cassette below :
http://www.bkdrluhar.com/88-Brahma%20Ba ... -8-64A.mp3
The Version of ShivBaba is very clear, and it is very simple to understand. ShivBaba is saying that the last/83rd birth of Dada Lekhraj cannot be called as Prajapita (until ShivBaba ENTERS), which then becomes 84th birth. So, Baba is highlighting his entrance in corporeal body of Dada Lekhraj, which is the principal cause that enables him to be elevated to the status of Prajapita. ShivBaba is stressing about his incarnation.

Definitely till 1936/37, Dada Lekhraj cannot be called as Prajapita. And, after 1936/37, when ShivBaba enters, his official spiritual designation changes to Prajapita Brahma - Then he is not playing role simply as Dada Lekhraj, but as Prajapita Brahma.

The above is a classic example how Ravan or Maya uses the VERY SAME POINTS of Knowledge revealed by ShivBaba through the mouth of Dada Lekhraj, to COMPLETELY TWIST the meaning, to make it appear that same applies to Virendra Dev Dixit and not Dada Lekhraj. When the innocent followers of Virendra Dev Dixit use such points they become even more convinced of the TWISTED PHILOSOPHY of Virendra Dev Dixit, ignorantly believing that ShivBaba meant this, when, in fact, it is TOTALLY CONTRARY to what ShivBaba has said and meant. In this way, by simply moving along ignorantly, by using ISOLATED points of Knowledge, without referring to the original COMPLETE BODY of the Murli to correctly comprehend the right context, Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers continue to SINK more and more into the BOG of Ravan or Maya, with each such TWISTED point of Knowledge. To give credence to their TWISTED PHILOSOPHY they further collect, collate and propagate various points of Knowledge under various headings (see below), which only serves to increase the burden on their head, to make them SINK further into the TREACHEROUS BOG of Ravan or Maya.
What we can clearly learn from this example is that the SAME POINTS of Knowledge which serve to LIBERATE the souls, when used and applied in the RIGHT CONTEXT - can then become instrumental to TRAP the souls in the TREACHEROUS BOG of Ravan or Maya, when used and applied TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT! Similarly, by using the examples of the memorials and pictures of 'tamopradhan' or DEGRADED 'Bhakti' or Devotion, existing in the outer lowkik world of today, to interpret the Pure Knowledge of ShivBaba, such souls continue to SINK further into the TREACHEROUS BOG of Ravan or Maya, without even realising that they are getting severely DECEIVED themselves!

View here - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2576&start=75#p49609

I am Dharmaraj too. When you used to do anything indirectly (before coming to this path of Knowledge) you used to get temporary punishments. Now after coming directly (in contact with God) if you undo the hard work of Baba, then you will have to face a lot of punishment. Dharmaraj Baba says I will remove your skin. (17-4-73, pg-3)

When such souls like Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers undo the HARD WORK of ShivBaba through Brahma Baba, they make themselves vulnerable to face A LOT OF PUNISHMENT! The main punishment in the Confluence Age is that they make themselves to become TOTALLY DIVORCED from ShivBaba! And souls with such DIVORCED INTELLECTS have to be destroyed in the end, since there is no other option. Dharmaraj Baba has to remove their skin, means, they have to be FORCIBLY EVICTED from their physical bodies in the end, and purified through harsh external measures, and not through accurate inner remembrance.

If the burden of sins remains (till the end) then a tribunal will sit for you. Divine visions are caused. You acted like this in this birth…... Here also Dharmaraj will cause divine visions and tell you that Father used to teach you through the body of Brahma. You were taught so much, but even then you committed so many sins. (Father) will cause visions of the sins of not only this birth, but also of the previous births.
(4-7-78, pg-2)

Even through the process of this forum, Dharmaraj is indirectly causing divine visions to such souls like Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers to make it VERY CLEAR to them that Father used to TEACH you through the body of Brahma and you were taught so much, but STILL you continued to commit so many sins of UNDOING the HARD WORK of ShivBaba, by persistently propagating that ShivBaba does not TEACH through the body of Brahma (Dada Lekhraj), and becoming instrumental to COMPLETELY TWIST the points of the Pure Knowledge revealed by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba (Dada Lekhraj), and DECEIVE so many souls!

He is Father also and Dharmaraj also. He observes the sins (of children). They abuse Me. There are very strict rules. But 'Bhasmasurs' (a demon who undertook a rigorous penance and got a boon from Shankara that any person whose head is touched by him will be destroyed. The demon, misusing his boon, tries to place his hand on the head of Shankara himself who granted the boon) don’t understand. 'Bhasmasurs' raise their hands to declare that they will wed Sri Lakshmi (consort of Vishnu) and commit such sins which cannot be described… Father says “Be afraid of the punishment also”.
Even murderers don’t get as much punishment as the punishment received by the children here.
(2-5-78, pg-2)

By UNDOING the HARD WORK of ShivBaba, such souls like Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers, CLEARLY ABUSE ShivBaba, and do not at all understand that they themselves are those very same 'Bhasmasurs', who are trying to place their 'evil hand' over the actual role of Shankar, being played by ShivBaba & Brahma Baba (Dada Lekhraj) COMBINED, by implying that Brahma Baba still has a baby-intellect and that Brahma Baba still considers that he is God and is therefore HiranyaKashyap, etc., etc., etc.! They thus commit such sins which cannot be described, and it is as if they mock God and are not afraid of the punishment also, and still do not realize that even murderers don’t get as much punishment as the punishment to be received by such children here!!! FINALLY, these 'Bhasmasurs' get ENCHANTED by the 'MOHINI' FORM of Bap-Dada, (through 'yugal dana' or soul-mate of Brahma Baba - Om Radhe, Mateshwari or Mama), and while DANCING to the ENTRANCING TUNE of the SMs and AVs, they place their OWN HAND over their OWN HEAD, and are thus COMPLETELY DESTROYED, i.e., THEY DESTROY THEMSELVES!!!

ALL CONCERNED HAVE BEEN ADEQUATELY WARNED, IN ADVANCE!!!
It is the duty of sensible children to become instrumental to warn all such children, who are going astray, adequately, in advance, as per Drama Plan.

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Re: Posts by soul sita

Post by mbbhat » 23 Jul 2015

Why does it have to be only Mr. Dixit? For whoever it may be, complete lack of suffering in an external way, that no effect of suffering comes to us, will come later.
PBKs themselves only say that Mr Dixit is Confluence Age Narayan, Krishna, Bharat, blah, blah, and quote the Murli point(of 1966) saying his sufferings will come to end in 10 years???
First lack of suffering is the way we react, it is said don't take sorrow.
The question is not about taking sorrow. It is about whether suffering, corruption, insolvency, etc., coming to end in 10 years*, is it not??? But, again it seems that Mr Virendra Dev Dixit has taken enough amount of sorrow, and even today he is taking sorrow, and is again insolvent, at least spiritually. Total intellectual corruption and bankruptcy we can see here, by quoting wrong/erroneous/misinterpreted Murli points.
The huge destruction is forthcoming, it follows. The huge destruction is after 1976. IN 1976 huge destruction starts but for even a huge destruction to change the whole world starts from a tiny spark.
If you know about the tiny spark, you may explain when and how the first tiny spark occurred.

* - Coming to end, means it should end. Not just beginning to end.
Corruption, irreligiousness, unrighteousness, vices, insolvency and suffering will come to an end in Bharat within 9 years and Golden Aged Deity-world-sovereignty of Shri Lakshmi and Shri Narayana will come to be re-established soon after the forthcoming huge world destruction (June 1967)"
If you see the Murli point properly, it says Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan, not Confluence Aged Lakshmi and Narayan.

But, I agree there is chance to interpret in different ways. You may say "destruction begins only after 1976(10 years). Then Lakshmi and Narayan take birth". But, I believe that argument has very less value. Because all these (corruption, etc.,) can end only after destruction. So, the Murli point saying- When did these Lakshmi and Narayan take birth- 10 years lesser than 5000 yrs from today, etc., is said for Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan only not Confluence Aged Lakshmi and Narayan.

Hence I believe just to motivate children and inspire them to speed up their efforts, Baba had said so. This had also been adequately explained by Baba in the relevant Avyakt Vanis following the period of prediction!

Baba many times says, even this(impure or Prajapita) Brahma cannot be called as deity. It is totally ridiculous to use the pure body and soul of personalities like Krishna, Narayan, Shankar, etc., and apply to a person who has an impure body (Virendra Dev Dixit) and far behind karmateet stage. Virendra Dev Dixit has not at all been able to solve very simple questions, but also has committed great blunders. Can such a personality be called as Krishna, Narayan, or Shankar?

But, you or PBKs may have your views, perfectly OK, as per Drama.

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Re: Churning of soul Brother 'sita'

Post by sita » 24 Jul 2015

The Version of ShivBaba is very clear, and it is very simple to understand. ShivBaba is saying that the last/83rd birth of Dada Lekhraj cannot be called as Prajapita (until ShivBaba ENTERS), which then becomes 84th birth. So, Baba is highlighting his entrance in corporeal body of Dada Lekhraj, which is the principal cause that enables him to be elevated to the status of Prajapita. ShivBaba is stressing about his incarnation.

Definitely till 1936/37, Dada Lekhraj cannot be called as Prajapita. And, after 1936/37, when ShivBaba enters, his official spiritual designation changes to Prajapita Brahma - Then he is not playing role simply as Dada Lekhraj, but as Prajapita Brahma.
This could be a possible explanation, but it is harder for me to believe that Mama - Baba refers to Mama - Baba in a lokik way. I don't think that the Father is called Baba in the lokik world.

It is also said that - "I come in the last birth" - so it cannot be 83rd birth. It must be the 84th birth.
Then the next birth should be the first one.
* - Coming to end, means it should end. Not just beginning to end.
This is what I meant. It must have ended somewhere in some form.
If you see the Murli point properly, it says Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan, not Confluence Aged Lakshmi and Narayan.

But, I agree there is chance to interpret in different ways. You may say "destruction begins only after 1976(10 years). Then Lakshmi and Narayan take birth". But, I believe that argument has very less value. Because all these (corruption, etc.,) can end only after destruction. So, the Murli point saying- When did these Lakshmi and Narayan take birth- 10 years lesser than 5000 yrs from today, etc., is said for Golden Aged Lakshmi and Narayan only not Confluence Aged Lakshmi and Narayan.
Yes, but the Golden Aged deity world sovereignty is established in Sangamyug itself.

Maybe Baba has said about birth of Lakshmi and Narayan in 1976, because he has said about destruction in 1976; and destruction and establishment are interconnected.

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Re: Churning of soul Brother 'sita'

Post by mbbhat » 24 Jul 2015

but it is harder for me to believe that Mama - Baba refers to Mama - Baba in a lokik way. I don't think that the Father is called Baba in the lokik world.
Baba uses the word Mama, Baba in lowkik way as well. See here- post No. 112 - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... &start=150 .

This is another classic example where PBKs have failed to understand the Murli point and have mis interpreted the names Brahma and Saraswati.

But, even then the Murli point is clear. It means Lekraj, by himself, cannot become Prajapita. Somebody else (God only) has to make him Prajapita.

There is another Murli point saying:- "Prajapita bhee brahmin ban_ney pahley kyaa thaa?"
= "What was Prajapita before becoming a brahmin? "
Meaning till 1937, soul of B Baba could not be addressed as Prajapita.

If you believe the contrast is just between B Baba and Mr Virendra Dev Dixit, why should ShivBaba include ALL OTHERS here? It means ShivBaba is mainly interested in highlighting his incarnation, that no one else can be called as Prajapita. Because he never incarnated in anyone else.

OK, let us agree that my point may not have full value, but it clearly shows blunders of PBKs failing to consider such highly important cases, before declaring their statements, even when they go totally against other hundreds of Murli points.
It is also said that - "I come in the last birth" - so it cannot be 83rd birth. It must be the 84th birth.
Then the next birth should be the first one
There is no need to discuss this. But, even then sometimes Baba says first birth for brahmins, sometimes for deities. - here- Post No. 99- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... &start=130

But, the VERY SAME brahmins, then become deities. So, sometimes Baba may say Lekhraj (before coming to gyaan) is not Prajapita. But, the same Lekhraj (after coming to gyaan) is the one who becomes Prajapita.

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Re: Lekhraj cannot become Prajapita ?

Post by warrior » 25 Jul 2015

mbbhat wrote:"This Brahma who is visible('vyakt' or in 'Sakar'), who is now in night, then comes into day. NOW THIS ONE is impure, who is BECOMING PURE. That's why THIS Brahma is shown. Prajapita (Dada Lekhraj) has to be here....If we say what is this one's last birth (it will be said) he was Lekhraj or Lakhiraaj, but he cannot be (called) Prajapita (in his last birth, BEFORE ENTRY of ShivBaba - he becomes Prajapita ONLY AFTER ENTRY of ShivBaba, which is then considered to be the 84th birth). All of these who are called Baba-Mama (who are addressed as Father-Mother in lokik by their respective offspring), they cannot be called Prajapita."
Sakar Murli (27-08-1964, last page)
You can also hear at 55-minute onwards, in audio cassette below :
http://www.bkdrluhar.com/88-Brahma%20Ba ... -8-64A.mp3
Can you translate the entire Murli for us mbbhat?
that would be your best input for this forum.... thanks for sharing ;-)

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Re: Churning of soul Brother 'sita'

Post by mbbhat » 26 Jul 2015

I tried to get the file. But, unfortunately, the link/page is not available now.

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Re: Churning of soul Brother 'sita'

Post by sita » 27 Jul 2015

There is another Murli point saying:- "Prajapita bhee Brahmin ban_ney pahley kyaa thaa?"
= "What was Prajapita before becoming a Brahmin? "
Meaning till 1937, soul of B Baba could not be addressed as Prajapita.
The point is....Was Prajapita a Prajapita, before becoming a Brahmin? The meaning is the same. Note it says Brahmin, not Brahma. So Prajapita becomes Brahmin. Brahmin is child of Brahma. If we take the point that ...I need Brahma and Prajapita Brahma, indicating them as separate, it makes sense. Prajapita becomes a Brahmin, takes a spiritual birth, receives knowledge through Brahma.

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Re: Churning of soul Brother 'sita'

Post by mbbhat » 27 Jul 2015

sita wrote:The point is....Was Prajapita a Prajapita, before becoming a Brahmin? The meaning is the same. Note it says Brahmin, not Brahma. So Prajapita becomes Brahmin. Brahmin is child of Brahma.
Brahma is also a braahmin. Head of deities (Vishnu or Narayan) is also a deity. Similarly, head of braahmins (Brahma ) is also a braahmin.
If we take the point that ...I need Brahma and Prajapita Brahma, indicating them as separate, it makes sense. Prajapita becomes a Brahmin, takes a spiritual birth, receives knowledge through Brahma.
This is again misunderstanding by PBKs, due to accidental typing error by BKWSU.

Given here- viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1982&p=41902&hilit=zaroor#p41902
or
See post No. 93 - here- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... oor#p12057

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Re: Churning of soul Brother 'sita'

Post by sita » 03 Aug 2015

From a VCD or discussion...the meaning of the ling and the jaladhari - we are all Parvatis and it is a matter of the yoni of our intellect. The ling is present there in the form of remembrance that pervades the mind of all people in the form of "Remember me alone".

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