shivsena wrote:Is the same shooting of Ravan-rajya not happening in the seed world (pbk family), where all PBKs are also becoming tamopradhan and worshipping one dehdhari guru as personified God.....Can you not see the difference in PBKs in the beginning in 1990's and now in 2012 !! (at the fag end of Kaliyugi shooting)...(you will have to come to India to experience this)....first in 1990's, the so called mat-pita of Advance Party were together in Kampil and children would go to meet them them jubiliantly.....now in 2012 mat-pita are seperated and the children have become confused and depressed and the newcomers do not know who are their spiritual mat-pita and they are unaware that they are just meeting a dehdhari guru, who is giving his own clarifications(manmat) of Murlis.....many PBKs have left the pbk Yagya because of all the unsavoury happenings in the last decade, and you still claim that PBKs are not undergoing the same fate as BKs.
Let all PBKs seriously ask themselves one question: "Are we in Ram-rajya or are we in Ravan-rajya" ??....if they feel that they are in Ram-rajya, then where is the peace-prosperity-unity in the pbk family under one mat-pita.....if not, then they are also in Ravan-rajya (however subtle) just as the bk world and the outside world.....there is no third possibility.
Dear Shivsena Bhai
The difference between the BK Yagya and the PBK Yagya is ShivBaba... The BK Yagya is Ravan's kingdom because it is the kingdom of many opinions, of many human gurus... and the shooting of omnipresence and many other Bhakti practices have been going on since 1969. In the PBK kingdom there is only One opinion; that of Prajapita Brahma, through whom Father Shiv speaks. It is true that within the PBK Yagya, individual souls are shooting both ravanraj and ramraj, depending upon their recognition and faith in the part of the Father... and apart from one soul only; the soul of Ram, this faith fluctuates numberwise within each one. ShivBaba Himself has spoken that each one will go through the 4 phases of degradation whilst being a yogi... but imo, this does not mean the soul itself becomes more degraded whilst studying advanced knowledge. Yes, the enthusiasm may dwindle because of the ongoing battle with Maya in the subject of remembrance... but this does not indicate the soul is going backwards; it just means the battle with Maya gets more difficult as the remembrance becomes more intense... As baba has said: It's not like going to your aunty's house.
"Those who know Father(Shiv through the form of Prajapita-Ram) and love him are called Pandavas(PBKs). Those who do not love Father(Shiv's part, of intense Sun of Advance Knowledge, played through Prajapita-Ram) are called Kauravas. [Mu 25.12.68; 25.12.70]
"Now Ram(ShivBaba creating Ramraj) and Ravana(kingdom of many opinions), both communities are present. All these are present at the Confluence Age." [Mu 26.04.74]
"Those who do not know ShivBaba(Father Shiv's role through Shankar), are the Kauravas." [Mu 31.03.72]
"There (in the Kuarava Kingdom of Ravan) you receive many directions. Here (in the PBK or Pandava Kingdon of Ram) you receive only one direction. This is
a wonderful direction." [Mu 14.02.04]
It has occured to me whilst posting the Murli points above, that they are definately illustrating the difference between the BK and the PBK Yagya on one level... but that they can also be applied to the souls within the PBK Yagya too, on a more subtle level; as each one becomes either a Pandav or Kaurav, depending upon their level of faith in the part of Father, in any given moment or period of time.
In relation to your point about mata-pita... here is an interesting point on the subject...
"The main role is certainly that of the hero-heroine(Ram & Krishna)... There is the couple (Jodi) of mother and Father, isn’t it? This is a game of couples, the path of household (pravrittimarg)... but the couple (jodi) of ShivBaba is wonderful... They are called Brahma-Saraswati(Baba-Mama), but they are not a couple (during the Confluence Age). Actually, even Shankar-Parvati(Ram-Sita) can’t be called a couple (until they get married at the end of the Confluence Age)." [Mu 01.03.88]
I think what ShivBaba is saying here, is that the hero-heroine combination that is remembered as representative of the household path, on the path of Bhakti, is Ardhanarishwar; i.e. Ram & Krishna's souls, in the body of Prajapita. This is the the true mat-pita combination of the household path, during the Purushottam Confluence Age; that began in 1976. It is a combination also known as BapDada.
"Who is this Prajapita, who is also Mother and Father of all? Since ShivBaba is only Father of all souls... this Brahma(Baba-Krishna-DL) is child of ShivBaba as well as wife of ShivBaba... and this Prajapita(Brahma), is both Father and Mother of all. Who is this soul (through whom the part of Ardhanarishwar, the Lord who is half woman is played; the one who is said to be a living idol of the path of the household)?" [Mu 11.12.01]