arjun wrote:There is a huge difference between the unlocked topic where I posted just Murli points and the locked topic where shivsena Bhai is launching attacks on PBKs using foul language. I requested members not to post their comments just to maintain the continuity of the Murli points. Suppose I am posting a Murli point of one date in one page and if a discussion begins on that point and continues for several pages, and after that I post the next point, it would be very difficult for members to search Murli points. But in case of shivsena Bhai's locked topic there is no such need especially when there is an exclusive ex-PBKs Section.
If you had posted just Murli points**, it would have been OK. But, in almost every post (in that topic), you have put a question, to give a conclusion, which goes against BKWSU beliefs. [Many arguments are one-sided].
Any foul language is far better than saying from behind, or indirectly, in a sarcastic way. Even member Sita has said here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=492&p=49187#p49187
sita wrote: "I don't mind people telling me what they think about me and my behavior, even personal and non pleasant matters, It is better we say them and even say them straight, we can reform this way I would rather advice people not make general comments.....BK....PBK, there are different people everywhere.
No BK is prevented from replying to any topic in the PBKs Section.
The concerned Bk had mentioned that as soon as he had replied in the topic- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=53
, it got deleted. Either admin or the moderators would have deleted it. That Bk member did not complain, and just went on. If you need more details, I will ask that member and come back to you later.
You have come here late so you don't know the background. When this forum began it was not controlled by shivsena Bhai. Later on when the question of continuing this site arose shivsena Bhai accepted the responsibility of funding the site. Many other members (incuding me) were already posting on the forum at that time. And when shivsena Bhai took over he never put any pre-conditions that whoever wants to continue on this forum will have to act as per his wishes. Initially he was a supporter of PBKs, then he became a partial supporter and then a partial defamer and now he has become a staunch opponent.
I believe you have no right to accuse, as you are not paying anything, and it is Shivsena Bhai who has been paying. See, there are several websites like orkut, facebook, etc., where anyone can open a group/community and control all the other members. He can permit any member to continue or ban any member, according to his discretion. No one can stop him or do anything in the matter.
BTW, I do not think banning a member permanently is correct. If the member does not change his habits, then his posts should be deleted. That is the best way to reform him. Anyhow, what can I or you do when we are just members?* So, why not simply accept what we have, be content, and make the best of it, instead of complaining, complaining and complaining all the time???
In lokik world there is a saying: " DO NOT S*** IN THE SAME PLATE THAT YOU EAT"!!!
You should think why the language of shivsena Bhai changed? You fluctuate maximum on this forum, more than any other member, by first complaining, then arguing to the maximum possible extent, then finally saying, "You and shivsena Bhai are free to express your views in any manner possible," whenever you do not have anything sensible to reply.
My language has been same as it was many years ago, but now that shivsena Bhai has started hating PBKs, he feels hurt and angry at every word spoken by me.
I agree that there is some fault with shivsena, as well as every senior member, as everyone has ego of knowledge. But, the point is- when Shivsena feels he has no reply, he will keep quiet. But, you will keep arguing, as if 'the nose did not get dirtied' and also reply in sarcastic way or with double standards. My suggestion is- when you have no answer, better keep quiet, let others express what they have to express.
Shall I give you a suggestion dear- Never praise someone nor defame. As soon as a new member comes you offer him/her flowers or roses by welcoming him/her and sometimes praising him/her like "you are an asset to the forum
", etc. But, you never like losing an argument, even when you have no answer. Then the relationships become sour, particularly when you begin to comment personally. So, baba says, neither get affected positively, nor negatively.
It is good that he is funding the site and we are grateful for that, but that doesn't give him the right to suppress our right to freedom of expression. I have told him several times that if he wishes he can remove me from the forum whenever he wants. I will never complain or have any ill-will for him. But he cannot stop me from telling the truth.
If your attitude is like this, to what extent one should tolerate you? Most of the garbage(personal comments) on this forum is due to interaction of other members with either you or FB. You can analyse the posts for yourself. Shivsena has never suppressed freedom of expression, at least yours. [Yes, he had banned some members, and I do not feel that was right]. What I am saying is- you do not have a right to complain when many of your comments are improper, and you have been given full opportunity to express yourself (except the few locked topics), and you yourself have enjoyed those topics as locked ones.
Shivsena Bhai has control, self-realizing power. You do not have both. But, your tone is good, and that is to be appreciated, and you also have good capacity of tackling posts, as you are like an encyclopedia. The only problem is, you sometimes argue unnecessarily, with just one-side viewpoints, sometimes using double standards without realizing you are doing so, and begin to comment personally, which is a sure means of deliberately inviting personal clashes, which ultimately compel you to occupy your time wastefully in dealing with the accrued consequences.
We give knowledge to everyone including BKs and general public. Recently we distributed pamphlets on Yoga to general public at the main function organized to celebrate the International Day of Yoga at New Delhi.
You are going to the public. Just imagine, while you are distributing some pamphlets to the public, if someone wishes to add something to it, would it look good for you, and would you allow it? So, Shivsena Bhai may be locking some topics even in general section, so that his topics are not interfered with unnecessarily, and that is entirely his choice. Because many members may not read ex PBK section at all. So, he may have to write something even in general section.
I am not at all worried. That is why I never bothered to copy defamatory posts from shivsena's locked topics and reply to them. It is only because Sister Sita copied a particular post which was really unjustified and totally defamatory that I had expressed my views. My views were basically for the Admins. But you have taken it personally and tried to defend shivsena's defamatory post. If you are really unbiased you should have asked shivsena Bhai whether the bad words gathered by him from dictionary did not exist before the birth of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit?
I have not taken anything personally, nor am I trying to defend him in the manner, in which you are inferring.
I am just saying you do not have the right to accuse him for locking the topics. That is all. I never certified what you consider to be his bad words (except in this post, just mentioning that it is better to speak truth, than to speak in a sarcastic way).
Whatever shivsena Bhai writes (bad words, according to you), he will reap the fruit of it one day or the other, for his karma, if he is wrong. No doubt. So why are you invoking his karmic debts on yourself, dear?
You have a great virtue not using harsh words. But, that is not good enough; because self-realization is much more important. Since you begin to take anything personally, and comment in that way, you are inviting clashes to take place. But, I also agree that, in some cases, when you have given excellent replies to Shivsena for his questions, he appeared to tire, which caused some improper reactions in him. But, in most of the cases, he kept silent, and put the next question. Hence I believe time has not yet come to accuse Shivsena Bhai.
* - But, if the admin goes fully wrong, then the community or the forum will die, or will move like a handicapped person. So, the responsibility is with both the senior members as well as the admin, equally, for the benefit of the forum.
** - see, many times you write totally wrong words. You are saying, I wrote just Murli points,
but see here - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=53
the last comments in every post- are they JUST Murli points?
You need to seriously change this very bad habit of yours, which is as good as speaking HALF
I have no problem if this post is deleted within 2 to 3 days.