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Re: Queries by Brother satyaprakash.

Post by mbbhat » 21 Sep 2010

My post here got deleted by admin. This is just to inform Satyprakash soul.

So all as per drama. I do not know whether even this post will exist.

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Re: Queries by Brother satyaprakash.

Post by satyaprakash » 24 Sep 2010

mbbhat wrote:My post here got deleted by admin
It may be a technical error. The admin of this site has allowed many very offensive and abusive postings. They are not into much censoring. Please post it again, may be with additions or corrections and see if it comes OK.
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What is the truth of BK/PBK?

Post by satyaprakash » 30 Sep 2010

Lekhraj Baba started the BK movement in 1936/37. At that time they vigorously campaigned that current age (Kali yuga) has ended and sangama Yuga will also end soon. They even gave clear deadlines like 1 year, 5 years, 11 years etc. All the deadlines have passed and no end of world occurred. But almost every single BK men and women who lived in 1936 have died a natural death!
In 1976 Baba Virendra dixit has claimed that he is the new voice of Siva. He gives new interpretation to the same dis credited theories found in the 'Murlis'. Many of BK/PBK followers continue to die normal death after living a miserable life believing in false concepts.
What is this BK/PBK Drama going on? When will all this falsehood end?
They are afraid of producing any clear Book for their teachings as they have no clearly defined and defensible philosophy with them. They thrive on false claims (Baba is a Phd aspirant, some Yagya is going on, money is needed for the Yagya and not for Baba etc). Meanwhile Baba keeps producing more and more VCDs every day. No one can explain what is the new point or any point in each VCD! They simply repeat the same confusing statements as if it is all true! "Yagya" money is used to fly to so many places in India where only a handful of miserable ex-BKs are sitting to hear him. These ex-BKs found out that BKs themselves are useless but expect something from this PBK Baba- they do not realise that it is the same story here also!
It is high time that these organisations are dissolved and people (their followers) allowed to do productive work for the welfare of themselves, their families, their country and the world. Spiritual energy will thrive in India even after these BK.PBKs exit the show along with their Babas and Didis and other followers.
All people can be happy without all this burden of a false philosophy cast on them.
Satyameva Jayate!

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Re: What is the truth of BK/PBK?

Post by arjun » 30 Sep 2010

satyaprakash wrote:Lekhraj Baba started the BK movement in 1936/37.
This statement is not completely true and it is yet to be proved whether it was Dada Lekhraj or someone else who started it.
All the deadlines have passed and no end of world occurred.
It has been said in the Murlis that the Confluence Age could be given a period of at the most 100 years. So, that deadline is not yet over. Until then, those who wish to live in the Iron Age can do so happily because the Iron Age as well as the Confluence Age co-exist.
But almost every single BK men and women who lived in 1936 have died a natural death!
There are still some BKs who lived in 1936 and are still alive. And it does not matter even if all of them leave their bodies. Baba has said that Brahmins may take upto two to three births in the Confluence Age.
In 1976 Baba Veerendra dixit has claimed that he is the new voice of Siva.

He never claimed so.
Satyameva Jayate!
The truth shall triumph. Definitely. Meanwhile you are free to have your own opinion.
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Re: What is the truth of BK/PBK?

Post by shivsena » 02 Oct 2010

satyaprakash wrote: In 1976 Baba Veerendra dixit has claimed that he is the new voice of Siva.
Arjun Bhai writes: He never claimed so.
Baba Dixit has never claimed himself verbally to be the new voice of Shiva....but the whole advance knowledge is centered around that fact that prajapita brahma = Ram's soul = Virendra Dev Dixit.....and he has indirectly implied it in all his teachings in cds and cassettes that he is the new voice of Shiva.....can any pbk deny this fact.

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Re: What is the truth of BK/PBK?

Post by Sach_Khand » 04 Oct 2010

shivsena wrote: Baba Dixit has never claimed himself verbally to be the new voice of Shiva.... but the whole Advanced Knowledge is centered around that fact that prajapita Brahma = Ram's soul = Veerendra Dev Dixit.....and he has indirectly implied it in all his teachings in cds and cassettes that he is the new voice of Shiva.... can any PBK deny this fact.
shivsena.
But so called PBKs will shamelessly say it thousand times and many many more times if needed that Virendra Dev Dixit never claimed so. Just bull *******. And this is what I call as deceiving oneself and others too. Just deceivers nothing else.

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Re: Queries by Brother satyaprakash.

Post by nivi » 04 Oct 2010

The greatest truth is---"Mein atma Joyti Bindu huin"!
English translation---"The greatest truth is that we are all just souls-point of light"!
This is the first truth, and also the last truth! We are immortal, imperishable, always existed, and will continue to exist here for eternity.. So, nothing else matters. Just live at the moment, since truth exist only when we live at the moment. Perhaps that's why Golden_Age is called 'SAT_YUG' -the age of truth.

We are with God only when we live at the 'present'. The past is gone, absolutely nothing we can say or do can change the past, simply because past is past/gone!! So lets put a bindi(dot) to that. The future is not real, simply because no one has seen the future! The universe has given us everything we need right here at the moment. So just live at the present, and enjoy living at the moment.

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Re: Queries by Brother satyaprakash.

Post by satyaprakash » 05 Oct 2010

nivi wrote:The greatest truth is---"Mein atma Joyti Bindu huin"!
English translation---"The greatest truth is that we are all just souls-point of light"!
Better stick to Hindi only- that is the Gods' language as per Murlis?
What is so special about this dot business. No doubt there is a reference in the Bagavad Gita in one sloka. But how does it matter if it is a small point or all encompassing light? Should they keep repeating it as if it means something to the soul?
nivi wrote:Just live at the moment, since truth exist only when we live at the moment. Perhaps that's why Golden_Age is called 'SAT_YUG' -the age of truth.
When truth exists only in this moment, why talk about Golden Age, which is going to come? Then where is the need for this Lekraj or Dixit Babas? Is not all their business centered on 'doomsday prediction' for the future. If you remove this end of the world story then how these narrow cults (BK/PBK) will survive?
arjun wrote: In 1976 Baba Veerendra dixit has claimed that he is the new voice of Siva.

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He never claimed so.
If Dixit Baba has not claimed to be the new Baba, then who found that out? If some other fellow found it, then it implies that this guy knows more than Dixit- Then where is Dixit's position- Is it Number 2? Has Virendra Dev Dix ever denied that he is the voice of Siva? If he had really denied it, then why do PBKs follow him? They chorus that Siva has stopped coming to Mt Abu and he come only to Kampil. (Poor siva- where all he is dragged to?!)
arjun wrote:It has been said in the Murlis that the Confluence Age could be given a period of at the most 100 years
Why this shifting time lines? Murli's themselves are only recording of uttering during some one's trance state. How are they the authority? In many parts of India there are thousands of people who go into trance and make many statements. Are they all correct? Something was printed during earlier times as Murlis. But in the name of interpreting it the current Dixit Baba keeps reinterpreting and adding non existing meaning to them. ( he pulled off a big one when he claimed that as per Murlis he is the truet Baba, the rebirth of some other correct Baba!- when no such reference is there)
Even without the so called support of Murlis he boldly releases big falsehood like - he went to submit his Phd- when he has done only intermediate with a TTC teaching certificate. Without going to any college he will become Phd. He seems to be a miracle Baba!! That is where the current 100 year new limit has come in?
arjun wrote:those who wish to live in the Iron Age can do so happily because the Iron Age as well as the Confluence Age co-exist.
These are all obfuscation or playing with words. Only weak people will get scared with all this iron age threats!

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Re: Queries by Brother satyaprakash.

Post by nivi » 05 Oct 2010

Satya, You know very well that entire Bk/Pbk knowledge is centered around "Mein Atma Jyoti Bindu". You also know quite well that it is not physical light being discussed here, but 'jyoti' means knowledge, full of spiritual knowledge. That is what we are trying to experience with this divine knowledge.This is the foundation from which the entire Murli can be supported. So, until this part is understood and experienced everything else will sound like a big story or Katha that we are so familiar with on the path of Bhakti. I repeat again that God's Murli can only be understood when we listen to it in soul-conscious stage.
The Hindi word for 'heaven/ 'golden-age is 'sat-yug'/ 'swarg' - the root word 'swa' means--self-- i.e.soul consciousness.. We can experience swarg/heavan only when we remain in soul-conscious stage. When we are in soul-conscious stage we are naturally in sat-yug, since we are experiencing what is the truth.

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Re: Queries by Brother satyaprakash.

Post by arjun » 05 Oct 2010

satyaprakash wrote:If Dixit Baba has not claimed to be the new Baba, then who found that out? If some other fellow found it, then it implies that this guy knows more than Dixit- Then where is Dixit's position- Is it Number 2? Has Veerendra Dev Dix ever denied that he is the voice of Siva? If he had really denied it, then why do PBKs follow him? They chorus that Siva has stopped coming to Mt Abu and he come only to Kampil. (Poor siva- where all he is dragged to?!)
Recently I had read an article in Times of India about a new artist/painter (I don't remember the name) in Italy who was discovered by an Indian. The artist used to paint for his own satisfaction and had created many masterpieces which were hidden from the world. This Indian who was looking to buy a house stumbled upon the artist's house put up for sale and discovered the vast treasure of priceless paintings. Since he did not have the finance to buy all the paintings he introduced his friend from India to the artist who bought most of his paintings and also arranged for an exhibition.

Well, the Indian from Italy became instrumental in revealing this artist to the world, but that does not make him greater than the artist himself. Similarly, some or the other soul became instrumental in revealing Baba Dixit as the new Chariot of Shiv in 1976-77 (the year declared by Avyakt BapDada as the year of revelation of the Father in the BK Avyakt Vanis), but that does not mean that that soul is greater than the soul of the new Chariot.
Why this shifting time lines?
It is because had Shiv declared that this Confluence Age would continue for 100 years, nobody would have remained with Him. Everyone would say that - let me enjoy the world for 90 years. Then I will come to you.

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Post by arjun » 05 Oct 2010

Om Shanti. When I searched on Google about the above artist (without knowing the name of the artist or the Indian) I found the entire information on the following link:
http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles ... tist/21116

The Italian artist is Americo Montanari and the Indian who discovered him is Raja Khara and his friend who promoted the artist by buying many of his paintings is Arun Rangachari, chairman of venture capital firm DAR Capital.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... discovered

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Post by satyaprakash » 06 Oct 2010

arjun wrote:Well, the Indian from Italy became instrumental in revealing this artist to the world, but that does not make him greater than the artist himself. Similarly, some or the other soul became instrumental in revealing Baba Dixit as the new Chariot of Shiv in 1976-77 (the year declared by Avyakt BapDada as the year of revelation of the Father in the BK Avyakt Vanis), but that does not mean that that soul is greater than the soul of the new Chariot.
Do not give physical example to prove spritual facts. Painting is physical- can be seen and appreciated with physical eyes. Spirituality is inner force which you cannot see. Hence this comparison as above is invalid and of no use.

I write a book and the publisher only print it. It does not mean the publisher is greater than me. But to evaluate saints by ordinary persons is not possible unless the evaluator is also a saint of equal or higher order.

Sri.Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's greatness can be commented only by Swamy Vivekananda, unless Sri.Ramakrishna himself reveals his secret.

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Re: Queries by Brother satyaprakash.

Post by arjun » 06 Oct 2010

Satya, U r free to have ur own views.
Even in the epic Mahabharata, a tribal boy Eklavya became a better archer than Arjuna by practicing on his own in a jungle without the guidance of any guru. But the world came to know of him only when he silenced a dog (accompanying the Pandavas and Kauravas) by filling his mouth with arrows. That's how the Pandavas and Kauravas and their great guru Dronacharya came to know of his capabilities.
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Post by Sach_Khand » 06 Oct 2010

arjun wrote: Similarly, some or the other soul became instrumental in revealing Baba Dixit as the new Chariot of Shiv in 1976-77 (the year declared by Avyakt BapDada as the year of revelation of the Father in the BK Avyakt Vanis), but that does not mean that that soul is greater than the soul of the new Chariot.
WOW

These are really new facts that are coming out after SatyaPrakash has started questioning the so called PBKs or self declared Pandavas.

We just accepted that yes Virendra Dev Dixit has submitted his Ph. D.thesis and never questioned it. And the greatest Bluff form the AIVV has now come out !!!
some or the other soul introduced ShivBaba.

What a Great fall !!! :sad: Just irresponsible rediculous answering. :prize:

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Post by satyaprakash » 06 Oct 2010

arjun wrote:U r free to have ur own views
Thanks for your permission.
arjun wrote:a tribal boy Eklavya became a better archer than Arjuna by practicing on his own in a jungle without the guidance of any guru. But the world came to know of him only when he silenced a dog
So what did the new claimant- Dixit Baba- did to prove his worth- other than producing more than 1000 video CDs without any worthwhile stuff in them? You have an easy answer that he is not here to show magic! But what has he shown to prove his worth- he is so shaky that he has to claim he is educated, submitted his Phd etc- when he has not even gone to any college? :?:
He know only Hindi and he claims that Siva will understand only Hindi!
He known some BK stories and he distorts them and starts giving his own interpretations. When original itself has no value what his new meaning going to do?
arjun wrote:It is because had Shiv declared that this Confluence Age would continue for 100 years, nobody would have remained with Him. Everyone would say that - let me enjoy the world for 90 years. Then I will come to you.
Nice escape!

Satya

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