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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by arjun » 30 Jul 2008

sachkhand wrote: Beware of dogly services rendered by many pseudo Krishnas.
If this is the advice you are giving to Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and members of AIVV, then I would like to know who is rendering dogly services and who is the pseudo Krishna? If you say that Baba Virendra Dev Dixit and PBKs are rendering dogly services and if Baba Virendra Dev Dixit is a pseudo Krishna then how can your above sentence be meant for them. It should be an advice for the non-PBKs. :-?

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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by fluffy bunny » 30 Jul 2008

sachkhand wrote:Supreme Soul Shiv has His own Chariot. Shiv is "Abhokta". And His Chariot Prajapita is not in the skies where he needs to be fed by you people through offerings of food. He is in this corporeal world with his own corporeal body.
OK, can we get to the point and identify who that is then?

With regards to Virendra Dev Dixit, I accept arjun's point that a 65 year old with an intense traveling schedule hardly has the time and energy for a bit of the other but I sense that is not a complete answer. Perhaps it was a phase that the early PBK's went through.

sachkhand, this life has taught me to be down to earth and practical. Start by gathering all you can see and touch, and others have seen and touched and then build upon that. The bribes of jewels and golden palaces don't work on me, neither do a guddhi or privileges. These matters are far too important and rewarding in their own self then to be distracted by all that fluff.

So, please, stop flirting and teasing us ... and deliver your goods. Lay it on the table.

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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by john » 30 Jul 2008

sachkhand wrote:I actually do not know.
Is there ANYTHING in this matter that you ACTUALLY know? Or is it just what you have deduced from the lectures of Virendra Dev Dixit?

Is it once again a matter of "the thought came to me" of which you posted before?

Where exactly do these ideas come from?

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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by sachkhand » 01 Aug 2008

AUM Shanti.
sachkhand wrote: (on 27 Jul 2008) As the subject of the post says this is friendly advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and his followers. They better understand what they are doing and correct themselves.
arjun wrote: (on 28 Jul 2008) Can you kindly point out the sentence where you have given an advice? You have just expressed your views on Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit.
I think Arjun has not understood or purposely being blind towards sentences which I have quoted above. I have written that Virendra Dev Dixit and his followers better understand the mistakes they are doing and correct themselves. And in the following paragraphs of my post I have explained in detail what mistakes they are doing. If Virendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members think that so called Shankar (i.e., Virendra Dev Dixit according to the claims made by AIVV members) through his corporeal body is doing right thing (i.e. practicing sex) then surely my post is a waste.
arjun wrote: (on 30 Jul 2008) If you say that Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit and PBKs are rendering dogly services and if Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit is a pseudo Krishna then how can your above sentence be meant for them. It should be an advice for the non-PBKs.
Such a foolish question again by an AIVV member. I thought that advice is given to those people who make mistakes. And as in my opinion Virendra Dev Dixit is doing mistakes and AIVV members are following him I have given an Advice to them (including Virendra Dev Dixit) to understand and correct their mistakes. But this AIVV member thinks that I should give advice to people other than Virendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members. Such a shameful thing.

Surely when people making mistakes are stubborn and does not heed to any advice and continue with their mistakes then it is better to give advice to other people to stay away from them. There is a saying in our language, " dushtara kandu duur haaye" meaning keep distance on seeing evil people.
pilatus wrote: (on 29 Jul 2008) the subsequent "advice" which you give and which, along with your other thread, seems to be a blatant attempt to sling mud at Veerendra Dev Dixit (and Arjun) ...
It is said that there are Two categories of Fools in this world.
  • (1) Those who give Advice (and I accept that I have already joined this category.)
    (2) Those who do not heed to an Advice.
Dear Virendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members, as I Love and have concern for The Rudra Gnyaan Yagnya, even though I may be considered as a Fool, still I would again like to give an advice as follows, (a Hindi film song),
  • Aey Bhai jara dekh ke chalo,
    Aage hi nahi peeche bhi,
    Daye hi nahi bayein bhi
    Oopar hi naheee neeche bhi.
    Aey Bhai ...
    Kya hai karishma kaisa khilwaad hai, haap haap,
    Jaanwar aadmi se jyaada vafadaar hai, haap haap,
    khata hai kooda bhi, Rahata hai bhooka bhi;
    phir bhi wo Malik (Prj. Brahma) pe karta nahin waar hai.
    Aur insaan ye (Virendra Dev Dixit)
    Maal jiska (Prj. Br.) khata hai,
    Pyaar jisase (Prj. Br.) paata hai,
    Geet jiske (Prj. Br.) gaata hai,
    uske hi seene main BHOONKTA KATAAR hai,
    Maal jiska (Prj. Br.) khata hai,
    Pyaar jisase (Prj. Br.) paata hai,
    Geet jiske (Prj. Br.) gaata hai,
    uske hi seene main BHOONKTA KATAAR hai,
    Kahiye Shrimaan (AIVV members) aapka kya vichaar hai?
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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by sachkhand » 01 Aug 2008

AUM Shanti.
ex-l wrote: (on 30 Jul 2008) The bribes of jewels and golden palaces don't work on me, neither do a guddhi or privileges.
Why are you worried? No one is offering you.
ex-l wrote: (on 30 Jul 2008) So, please, stop flirting and teasing us ... and deliver your goods. Lay it on the table.
I am sorry to know that you considered my concern for you and other ex-BKs in general as flirting and a kind of teasing. Henceforth, I will take care not to show any concern for you in my words. But forgive me this last time. I request you people (ex-BKs) to read the story of Harilal Gandhi, the eldest son of Mahatma Gandha.

Harilal's life was ruined. He lived a very miserable life. And, IMHO, it was because he developed enemity and mistrust towards his Father. He bitterly envied his Father. Harilal could never understand his Father. Harilal was always on the lookout to demean and belittle Mahatma, whenever and wherever possible and in all possible ways. In the end he ruined his life. When Mahatma was assassinated and when lakhs of Indians and many people from over the world came to Mahatma's funeral, Harilal although being the eldest son and having the right to cremate Mahatma, was one among the crowd.

Harilal was struggling in his shabby clothes and with a garland in his hands just to reach the place of cremation. Although few including his youger brother recognised him even in such a pitiable condition, they were afraid to call him for cremation because they were afraid of him and did not know his intentions of coming. (Because when Harilal went to meet his mother Ba in jail where she was bedridden because of her worry for Harilal, he purposely went to meet her in fully intoxicated (by liquor) condition. Why? Just to belittle and demean Bapu (Mahatma).

Harilal's mother was shocked by Harilal's behaviour and later died due to his worry.) Only Harilal knows why he went to funeral of his Father (Mahatma) for whom he had nothing but bitterness in his heart. I think Harilal had understood his mistake and so he had went their with garland in his hands, but was too late.

It is not just a case of Mahatma Gandhi and of Harilal. Whenever anyone develop enemity for any person who is true and really good in his heart and who is in service of people, then slowly he/she unknowingly start to envy not only that person but also those good qualities. And this in turn ruins one's life.

Also I request you to have control over your tone (read words in red), by this you will loose your credibility. I am not a weak person who will run away by your unnecessary arrogant ways of writing. Keep this in mind hereafter.
john wrote: (on 31 Jul 2008) Is there ANYTHING in this matter that you ACTUALLY know? Or is it just what you have deduced from the lectures of Veerendra Dev Dixit?
What do you expect me to know further. Do you think Virendra Dev Dixit used to call us to show us how he had sex? Or do you expect any female follower of Virendra Dev Dixit to tell us that she had intercourse with V.D? In his lectures Virendra Dev Dixit, always stresses that this act should be secretive. Will any female follower tell Truth about this? If Virendra Dev Dixit actually does not practice sex as said by him in his VCD then who is this Shankar's personality who is practicing this and of whom Virendra Dev Dixit often speaks of in his lectures? Virendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members have to be clear and definite in what they are saying. Do you not think so?

Virendra Dev Dixit says that follow Brahma Baba in action but follow Father's directions. May I know from AIVV members whom do they take directions from? Is it not Virendra Dev Dixit? But Virendra Dev Dixit never fails to remind his followers that they should just follow Father's directions but should not follow his actions. He says not to follow Shankar in actions. Now my question to AIVV members is that who is that personality from whom they take directions but are warned not to follow him in actions? And why is it that they are warned?
john wrote: (on 31 Jul 2008) Is it once again a matter of "the thought came to me" of which you posted before? Where exactly do these ideas come from?
Do not try to mix up things. Many active members have tried this trick on me. First YOU answer me. Do all the members on this forum just write facts and only facts? Do they not raise their doubts about something and do they they not share their feelings and experiences about something and do they not write about their churning of Mulis even though they are not 100% confident about it's Truth. Have you never done one of the above things?

So why are you mixing up two very different issues? Do not be prejudiced and please try to be fair in assessing other's posts. Good luck.
sachkhand wrote: Supreme Soul Shiv has His own Chariot. Shiv is "Abhokta". And His Chariot Prajapita is not in the skies where he needs to be fed by you people through offerings of food. He is in this corporeal world with his own corporeal body.
ex-l wrote:(On 30 Jul 2008) OK, can we get to the point and identify who that is then?
I am doing Purusharth for that in my own way. If Virendra Dev Dixit or AIVV members know about it without any doubt then ask them. As BKs do not believe in this they cannot answer. When I will be 100% sure about answer to this question I will DECLARE it to the world. It does not matter Who is He? I have faith that He is present now in this world and that I will recognise and understand That Personality in near future. Anyway it is my personal thing.

Everyone has to do his /her Purusharth. It is said in Murli that, Baap main nischay buddhi hona maasi ka ghar nahi hai. It means that it is not that easy (as it is in getting something in one's Aunty's house) to have undoubting faith in Father. IMO here Father refers to The Combination of The Corporeal Father Prajapita and The GodFather Shiv.

Best of luck for you in seeking Father, that too if you wish to seek.
Thanks.
Sanjeev.

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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by arjun » 01 Aug 2008

sachkhand wrote:Also I request you to have control over your tone (read words in red), by this you will loose your credibility.
:D
sachkhand wrote:who is that personality from whom they take directions but are warned not to follow him in actions? And why is it that they are warned?
We obtain directions from Shiv through Shankar (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit).

We do not follow Shankar because as per the Murlis spoken by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba Shankar's role is unique in this drama. We are asked not to follow him in actions because it said so in the Murlis. And it is not just in the Murlis. Since the Copper Age, it is believed in the Eastern Culture that disciples should follow the directions of the Guru and they should not follow him in his actions. The founders of all major religions have also used this technique while establishing their religions. But everyone cannot have the same level of faith and hence souls like you may prefer to raise objections to the actions of the gurus. This is also beneficial in the drama. I appreciate your courage, but you should apply to yourself the above advice (marked in bold letters) that you have given to ex-l.

If you want further details on this you can listen to the audio cassettes which were recorded while ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) was clarifying the first book published by the newly established Vishnu Party in the late 1990s.
On Godly Service,
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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by fluffy bunny » 02 Aug 2008

Uh-oh ... time to come clear sachkand. As much as I appreciate you raising the issue of Virendra Dev Dixit's alleged kinky love action, in which I say there is some truth, you had better tell us what you are up to here.
In 'Prajapita (Bharat) will realise Himself this year (2007)', anamik wrote:In my opinion the soul of Prajapita (Bharat), i.e. the soul of Dada Lekharaj, will realise Himself by the end of this year. And the five year plan of True Gita will begin by the end of this year.

Dada Lekharaj has taken rebirth after leaving his body in January 1969. He will start to come to light in the BK and PBK world from the end of this year ... I hope we will recognize this part at the earliest, as only few recognized Prajapita in the beginning.
Anamik was also the one badgering Arjun over whether Lekhraj Kirpalani was Ramkrishna Paramhansa.
anamik wrote:Also I would like to disclose Dada Lekharaj's previous birth. In his previous birth Dada Lekharaj was Ramkrishna Paramhansa of Calcutta. This is my gut feeling. When I went to Kampil for the first time in 1993, I had asked about this to Baba Veerendradev Dixit. But he did not say. I hope somebody gets this clarified through Baba.
Is this a re-run of the "PBKs what do you have to hide?" topic? Like the Father, so the son ...

So, if you consider yourself to be the reincarnation of Lekhraj Kirpalani, then does that also mean that you are the reincarnation of Ramkrishna Paramhansa?

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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by sachkhand » 04 Aug 2008

AUM Shanti.
arjun wrote: ... you should apply to yourself the above advice (marked in bold letters) that you have given to ex-l.
Instead of quoting my own words to advice me you would have directly said so if you think my language was bad and quoted them here. But like a coward you have quoted me without showing me my mistake. You have been doing such childish things purposely. If that is your nature, what can I do. But just read the reason why I have written so.
ex-l wrote: (on 30 Jul 2008) So, please, stop flirting and teasing us ... and deliver your goods. Lay it on the table.
In the above quote (words made bold) I think ex-I has used language with tone of bossy nature. And hence I had written which you have used for your purpose. ex-I is free to ask me any question and accuse me of anything if he finds anything of such kind in me. But not in bossy manner.
admin wrote: It appears that the account sachkand is posting from the same internet connection as the earlier account anamik. Could the user please confirm whether they are the same individual?
Dear admin, bansy on 28 Jun 2008 had raised this issue in the post: "Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child?" in PBK group. It is in page 3. And I have accepted it. And I have explained it in the following replies to questions raised by arjun over this issue.

I also read The forum's Editorial Policy, Forum Guidelines and Site Disclaimer. I really appreciate it. Couple of years back I really wished that there should be some place in the internet where we could question wrong doings of BKWSU and even AIVV. I thank you very much for having launched this forum. The only thing is some of the members are more interested in making fun of BKWSU rather than constructive opposition. Anyway people will come forward even to defend The Truth of BKWSU.

But I have a complaint. I think it was not fair on your part to ban raj. He should have been given chance. If you thought that he raised issues of politics involving important political figures you could have removed the post or deleted such sentences.

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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by sachkhand » 04 Aug 2008

AUM Shanti.
In Re: When was this forum actually started? page 2, on 01 Aug 2008,
arjun wrote: You quote from literature and history (the latest one being the history of Mahatma Gandhi's son) extensively to prove yourself to be the reincarnation of Brahma Baba or the new Chariot of God Shiva.
Please read why I used history.
sachkhand wrote: (on 01 Aug 2008) I am sorry to know that you considered my concern for you and other ex-BK's in general as flirting and a kind of teasing. Henceforth I will take care not to show any concern for you in my words. But forgive me this last time.

I request you people (ex-BKs) to read the story of Harilal Gandhi, the eldest son of Mahatma Gandha. Harilal's life was ruined. He lived a very miserable life. And IMHO it was because he developed enmity and mistrust towards his Father. He bitterly envied his Father. Harilal could never understand his Father. Harilal was always on the lookout to demean and belittle Mahatma, whenever and wherever possible and in all possible ways. ...

It is not just a case of Mahatma Gandhi and of Harilal. Whenever anyone develop enmity for any person who is true and really good in his heart and who is in service of people, then slowly he/she unknowingly start to envy not only that person but also those good qualities. And this in turn ruins one's life.
Dear Arjun, you are thinking that I raised issues regarding Virendra Dev Dixit and AIVV so as to discredit them and I am trying to prove myself as Prajapita. This is your misunderstanding. I do not want to go in why I raised those issues because I have clarified them in those threads. Now the question of proving myself as Prajapita. I am not a fool to make the same mistake as made by Virendra Dev Dixit I just wrote my true feelings. And I believe that if it is actually true then there is really no need to prove.

Now I will tell you the reason for writing that history part of Mahatma Gandhi and Harilal. I wanted to show that when anyone develops enemity and starts to unnecessarily criticise and also enjoy critcising someone who is good in his heart and has been doing service with good intentions, then the criticising person slowly starts to envy not only that good person but also the quality of goodness. This in turn ruins his life.

You must have misunderstood because of the relation of Father and son between Mahatma and Harilal. It was just a co-incident. I actually wrote this for ex-BK's who are enjoying while criticizing Brahma Baba and BK's in general. There might be BK's who are not able to understand Shrimat correctly and are not following Baba's directions. But considering the whole BK's as worthless lots is wrong. I heard a spiritual man saying in his lectures which is interesting to know what he meant. You know what the problem is? We are searching for a perfect Teacher but never try ourself to be a perfect student.

Even a perfect Teacher fails to teach if student is not eligible. But a perfect student learns even if he does not get a perfect Teacher. Gautam Buddha is an example. A perfect student learns even if Teacher refuses to teach. Eklavya is an example.
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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by arjun » 04 Aug 2008

sachkhand wrote:But considering the whole BKs as worthless lots is wrong.
I don't think anyone on this forum has said this. Most of us have accepted on this forum that there are many good intentioned BKs in BKWSU. It is only a minority who are misusing their power to violate the Shrimat. And it is these violations of Shrimat that we try to prove here with the help of Murlis.

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Re: Advice to Veerendra Dev Dixit and AIVV members

Post by fluffy bunny » 04 Aug 2008

sachkhand wrote:ex-I is free to ask me any question and accuse me of anything if he finds anything of such kind in me.
sackhand,

I was being kindly teasing and playful towards you. Please do not project upon me or distract from the conversation.

There is another side to the Gandhi story that might well apply to the Kripalani family, it was discussed in the film, ‘Gandhi My Father’. "To the nation he was a Father ... to his son, he was a Father he never had." It attempts to portray living under shadows of expectation, and expectations of failure of a "saint" to the nation.

The movie, based on a book, attempts to document the effect of Gandhi's campaign onto his own family, banning Harilal from studying and become a barrister like his Father which was a huge and almost unforgivable blow to Hari. It asks how much of a Father was Gandhi, just as I would ask how much of a Father to Narian and Putu was Lekhraj Kirpalani?

Harilal ultimately turned to alcohol for solace. A story of a man who lived in the enormous shadow of his Father, striving to discover his own identity until his death. Harilal was said to be hungry for the love and attention of his Father and was deprived of any advantages to being Gandhi's son. He was also made to pay a premium for his dubious heritage, even normal opportunity is denied him, along with education, dignity and family. His marriage was eventually undone by the elder Gandhi's single-mindedness and sacrifice of his son's happiness.

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