andrey wrote:I believe that the meaning of Harnyakashap is not one who proves himself God, but one who says himself God, because one does not become God because he says so like you say I am Prajapita this is not enough. Also there is no evidence for someone proving himself as God. Even we children do not want to prove anything.
I think we should stand by what we say. If I say I am Prajapita, then it means I accept myself as Prajapita. I should have guts to say that my statement is True. It may not be possible for me to prove it. But when I say something to others and want others to accept my statement and want others to believe and have faith in my statement and lead their life accordingly, then it is my duty to stand by what I say. If you start doubting yourself, then you should not expect others to believe you and follow you. I have said that I had the thought very intensely to declare myself as Prajapita in the Forum. I have said that if my statement is True then Avyakt Vani of this season will be supportive of my statement by telling much about Prajapita. If nothing of that sort happens, then I have said that I will ask apology for making false statement.
I do not feel insulted in accepting Truth. After all what is the aim of my life. It is understanding Murlis correctly. Why? Because Murlis have the Godly Knowledge given by GodFather Himself. When GodFather Shiv has said that He has come to this world, I feel intensely that I should recognize Him. But how should I recognize GodFather Shiv, He does not has His own corporeal body. Obviously He will reveal Himself through someone's body. But GodFather Shiv has said in Murlis that He enters in many children's body. If the one giving Knowledge is not capable and the one receiving Knowledge has to be convinced or given proper Knowledge, then GodFather Shiv Himself enters in the person who is telling and gives Drishti or/and Knowledge to the receiving child.
Now the question aries, should the receiver who has felt the special attraction in the Drishti and feels that this knowledge is special, start following the orders of the person through whom he had received Drishti of GodFather Himself. I think there is only one corporeral body in this world through which GodFather Shiv will be revealed to the world as The Supreme Soul, and only through that body will come the True Gita Knowledge. GodFather Shiv will give the Godly inheritance of Mukti or/and JeevanMukti to all souls only through that body, and it is said that this personality is called as Prajapita Brahma. There might be many names given to this Personality in Bhakti cult (marg). But in Murlis GodFather Shiv has said that He gives Godly inheritance through Prajapita Brahma.
So, I am doing the Purusharth of recognizing this Personality "Prajapita Brahma" since many years. Since sometimes back I started having the thought that I am that personality or in other words "I am Prajapita Brahma". This sounds ridiculous. But since this thought used to come to me many a times, I wanted to get this thought out of my head. I wanted to have this thought tested. I did not want to live in world of fantasy.
So I put my thought in this forum with the topic "I am Prajapita Brahma". I stand by my statement, and if nothing comes out in the Avyakt Vanis of this season then I will ask apology for giving false statement. One thing I want to accept here is that after writing the topic "I am Prajapita Brahma" in the forum, after few days from then the thought has stopped coming to my mind.
I have gone off topic, sorry, but what I wanted to say is that please read the two points of the Murli dated 8.9.68 in the start of this topic. Here it is clearly stated that Father Himself whose actual name is Shiv is also called as Paramatma. And in the same Murli further it is stated that one who call himself Paramatma is a demon like Hiranyakashyapu. Now considering these two points can we not call Veerendradev Dixit as a demon like Hiranyakashyapu, because He has clearly stated in many of the cassettes that when we say Parampita-Paramatma, here Parampita is for Shiv and Paramatma is for the soul of Veerendradev Dixit.
When we first heard these cassettes we were astonished. But as we had a kind of respect and faith in Virendra Dev Dixit, we had the attitude of nodding our heads to whatever Virendra Dev Dixit says. But since couple of years I have personally started to churn the Knowledge i.e., Murlis and tally it with my experiences, and have started questioning things which I do not find proper. You are free to call me by names ( like Basmasur), I am least bothered.
andrey wrote:You should also supply proves from the advanced literature and cassettes, vcds based on which you state that Dada Lekradj is said to be Harnyakashap.
I do not remember whether Virendra Dev Dixit has directly called Dada Lekharaj as Hiranyakashyapu, but he has implied it indirectly. I cannot give you in which cassette or VCD, but there is proof in the literature of Advance Knowledge of Virendra Dev Dixit. Now, if I say fools can be called donkeys and in the same context I say you are a fool. Am I not calling you donkey? It may not be direct accusation, but it shows my views about you. I have just given you an example.
For Proof please read "Murli Khand-1" page number 138, where they have given subtitle SHIVOHAM under which they have given 6 Murli points. Here they have points which says about people saying shivoham, and the point that people calling themselves Paramatma are called Hiranyakashyap, and also given the Murli point where Dada Lekharaj is accepting ShivBaba's enterance in him and beside this point in brackets they have given (BrahmaBaba - SHIVOHAM). What should a reader understand from such remark. What do Virendra Dev Dixit and PBK's want to imply?
Arjun wrote:You are free to level charges against him just as some ex-PBKs
I, personally have no grudge against Virendra Dev Dixit. I have no plans to form any anti-party. I just want to recognize Prajapita Brahma and experience the love of Parampita-Paramatma Shiv. TIME IS RUNNING OUT OF HANDS. I have come to BK Knowledge in 1989-90. Still I am not able to surrender to my GodFather Shiv. How should I surrender? I first have to recognize Him. But in whom? In Prajapita. So, who is Prajapita? where is Prajapita? I am getting restless. I do'nt know whether you have experienced this restlessnes or not. I think of my lokik mother and my sister. They do Bhakti. I want to give them The Knowledge of Parampita-Paramatma Shiv. But how can I give when I myself do'nt know. Do anyone of you Know? Undoubtedly? If YES, then why are you not going public.
Hey Arjun and Andrey, tell me Truth, are you having bank account with lots of money in it, are you having property? Are you not interested in surrendering all that to GodFather's cause? Whomsoever you people believe as Prajapita Brahma, have you asked Him regarding this? If no, then you are just bluff masters. When you cannot just surrender your money and property to the GodFather, how can you surrender your body and mind to Him. And how can you surrender your sister, your mother and (if you are married) your wife to GodFather Shiv.
andrey wrote:There are mothers who have never even seen Baba, still send letters of faith and because of being in bondage the example of Meera is used for them.
You people talk about girls and ladies and mothers who have deep love for Virendra Dev Dixit as ShivBaba. It is very fine. I wish their belief comes out to be True. Let me be punished for my wrong deeds. It doesn't matter. But, in case it turns out to be false, then what? There are Gurus in India who have sexual relationship with many ladies. They do this citing the example of Sri Krishna and His Bhagawat. I am not against Bhagawat or Rasa Leela mentioned in it. But before saying anything further I would like to give few Murli points.
When I had gone to Kampil in 1993 and few times later, I had written Murli points topic wise from the registers provided to us for studying and copying. I am quoting from those points. For one point I don't have date, which I might have missed while writing or it might have not been there.
- "Bharat has been totally defamed.------ So many queens were there. Made them elope. Stole butter. Had so many children. Actually this is all story of Prajapita Brahma. Have placed Krishna instead of Him." Murli date don't know.
"There is connection of Gita with Bhagawat, and of Mahabharat with Gita." Murli date: 21.3.73.
Based on the above two Murli points I think first of all we should understand Prajapita Brahma clearly. Prajapita Brahma has to be declared first. I cannot understand why do the PBK's first take a letter duly signed by the newcomers to the Bhatti, which has in it that the undersigned person beleives and accepts Virendra Dev Dixit as prajapita Brahma. But the same Virendra Dev Dixit in VCD says that he has nowhere said or accepted that he is Prajapita Brahma. WOW. Has GodFather Shiv come to play trick on us.
- Murli date: 27.5.85: "Who is Prajapita Brahma. Father sits and explains all this."
Murli date: 19.1.01, Murli Khand page number 358. "The one teaching us is totally strange. He does not has this corporeal form. He is incorporeal. So see how wonderful part has been kept. How should Father teach? So Himself tells- I come in such and such body. In which body do I come, that is also told. People are confused- comes only in one body. But this is Drama, is'nt it. There cannot be change in this."
From the above two Murli points, I beleive that GodFather Shiv tells us and explains us directly who is Prajapita Brahma. And I think it is His prime duty. If GodFather Shiv cannot fulfil the above two Murli points, then it is His failure. Not mine or of any other children.
ex-I wrote:So who was Harnyakashap? Like Father, like son I say. Perhaps so called Shiva is a Harnyakashap.
My humble advice to you is that you are wasting your time and energy in this forum. I think this forum, atleast Bk and PBK forum is for those who believe that there is a Supreme Soul who is our GodFather, and He has come to this world. If you do not believe in GodFather Shiv, then why waste your precious time here, making irrelevant comments?