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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by shivsena » 30 Dec 2010

pbkindiana wrote: How to take your views seriously when you love to run fr pillar to post. Look at your postings; most of your views are not tallied with SM. You just post SM to request for individual's views but you seldom post SM to support your views. For eg. to-date, you couldn't produce any SM to support your views to ShivBaba is a combination of Shiva + Ram + Shakti or Om Radhey is involved in Shiva + Shakti or Om Radhey has attained the karmateet stage or we receive inheritance fr the bodiless Godmother, etc. PBKs read AK and get ideas fr it but they do not rely on any bodily guru to guide them. Even AK knowledge has cryptic messages that needs to churn of what is Baba (Ram) trying to convey.
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Murli says: "Brahma(adi-shakti badi Maa) mat-pita kaise hai usko samajne ke liye badi vishaal buddhi chahiye. ghode-sawaar aur pyade moonj jaate hain".
[meaning: It requires a great deal of intellect to understand how shiv+brahma(adi-shakti) is mat-pita.]

Those who run from pillar to post and solve the clues in the Murlis will get the treasure, but BKs-PBKs will always get confused as they rely on Didi-Dadi-Dada and do not churn the points themselves.....this is how numbers(9lacs, 16000, 108) will be seperated....108 get the title of shivshakti-pandavsena because of recognising no.1 shiv-shakti(Mama)... the bk-pbk praja do not get this title.

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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by shivsena » 28 Mar 2011

Dear roy Bhai and pbk brothers,

Sharing a very important Murli point on how to remember Father.

Murli 13-8-05 says: "Bap ki Yaad ke sath sath Ghar ki bhi Yaad jaroor chahiye, kyon ki ab wapas ghar jaana hai. Ghar mein hi Bap ko Yaad karna hai. Buddhi Paramdham sweet home se tootni nahin chahiye."
[meaning: "Along with Father shiv rememberence of home is also necessary, because we have to return back home...We have to remember Father shiv in the home only....the intellect should not be broken from Paramdham sweet home."]

The above important Murli point clearly says that we should remember Father shiv in Paramdham --ghar--sweet home....so the question arises as to which is this sweet home Paramdham ???...is it jad Paramdham in outer space...or...is it the body of prajapita(baba Dixit)...or is it the light and might ka Paramdham (Mama Saraswati no. 1 shivshakti ), where all souls(mind-intellect) have to go back and merge themselves in the spiritual combined mother-Father (just as all the elements(atoms) in nature merge within the mother earth after destruction and then they emerge back at the right time in the form of material things in the next Kalpa.).

The above point also clearly supports what is said in Vanis, that all rememberence should be "aakar mein nirakar ko Yaad karo"(remember nirakar shiv in aakar ) ie in the subtle body of Mama who is avaykt farishta (body of light and might)...and not in the body of Baba dixit (of flesh and bones)....only if you remember nirakar in aakar, then only you will become light and might farishta(angels)

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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by arjun » 28 Mar 2011

shivsena wrote:so the question arises as to which is this sweet home Paramdham ???...is it jad Paramdham in outer space...or...is it the body of prajapita(Baba Dixit)
The Paramdham refers to the living Paramdham, i.e. the body of the Chariot of Shiv.
The above point also clearly supports what is said in Vanis, that all rememberence should be "aakar mein nirakar ko Yaad karo"(remember nirakar Shiv in aakar ) ie in the subtle body of Mama who is avaykt farishta (body of light and might)
You are free to remember Shiv in whichever kind of body you wish.

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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by arjun » 28 Mar 2011

For the kind information of shivsena Bhai who keeps on praising Mama day and night:

"Mama nay kuch laaya kya. Kitna Mama ko Yaad kartey hain. Baap kahtey hain Yaad kartey ho, yah toh theek hai, parantu abhi Mama kay naam-roop ko Yaad nahee karnaa hai. Hamko bhi un jaisi dharana karnee hai. Ham bhi Mama jaisey achha ban kar gaddi laayak banein. Sirf Mama kee mahima karney say thodey hee ho jaayengey. Baap toh kahtey hain maamekam Yaad karo, Yaad kee yatra may rahna hai. Mama jaisa gyaan sunaana hai. Mama kee mahima ka saboot tab ho jab tum bhi aisey mahima laayak bankar dikhao. Sirf Mama-Mama kahney say pait nahee bharega. Aur hee pait peeth say lag jaayega. ShivBaba ko Yaad karney say pait bharega. Is Dada ko bhi Yaad karney say pait nahee bharega. Yaad karnaa hai ek ko. Balihaari ek kee hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 17.10.05, page 2 & 3)

“Did Mama bring anything? Children remember Mama so much. Father says that you remember her; that is all right; but now you must not remember the name and form of Mama. We must also inculcate virtues like her. We should also become nice like Mama and become capable of sitting on the throne. Will you become capable just by praising Mama? Father says, remember only me and keep performing the journey of remembrance. You must narrate knowledge like Mama. The praise of Mama will be proved when you too become worthy of such a praise. Your stomach will not get filled just by uttering ‘Mama-Mama’. Your stomach will even start touching your back (i.e. become emaciated). Your stomach will get filled up by remembering ShivBaba. Your stomach will not get filled up by remembering this Dada also. You must remember one. Credit goes to one.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 17.10.05, page 2 & 3 published by BKs)

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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by arjun » 28 Mar 2011

shivsena wrote:The above important Murli point clearly says that we should remember Father Shiv in Paramdham --ghar--sweet home....so the question arises as to which is this sweet home Paramdham ???...is it jad Paramdham in outer space...or...is it the body of prajapita(Baba Dixit).
ShivBaba bhi kahtey hain mai pehley is (Sakar Brahma) ko samjhaata hoon. ShivBaba ka yah chaitanya home hai. Pehley-pehley yah (Brahma) seekhtey hain fir unsay adopted children numberwaar seekh rahey hain. Yah badee guhya baatein hain. Sadgati data patit-paavan khud aakar yah sab raaz samjhaatey hain. Aisey nahee ki vahaan say preranaa kartey hain. Vah toh yahaan aatey hain.. (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli dinaank 23.02.07, pg.2)

“ShivBaba also says that I initially explain to this one (corporeal Brahma). This is ShivBaba's living home. First of all this one (Brahma) learns. Then the adopted children are learning from him numberwise. These are very deep matters. The bestower of true salvation, the purifier of the sinful ones comes Himself and explains all these secrets. It is not that he gives inspiration from there. He comes here.(Revised Sakar Murli dated 23.02.07, pg.2 published by BKs)

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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by shivsena » 31 Mar 2011

arjun wrote: The Paramdham refers to the living Paramdham, i.e. the body of the Chariot of Shiv.
The aim of our study is to become a-shariri (get rid of our body consciousness)...and so i do not understand how we can become a-shariri by remembering God shiv in another sharir(body)....if remembering shiv in the corporeal Chariot is supposed to be accurate rememberence, then why this has never been mentioned by avaykt brahma in any Vani....Av. Vanis always mention that we should not have any love with mitti(mud ie body of flesh and bones), and AK teaches just the reverse.

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Re: Accurate remembrance

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shivsena wrote:The aim of our study is to become a-shariri (get rid of our body consciousness)...and so i do not understand how we can become a-shariri by remembering God Shiv in another sharir(body)....if remembering Shiv in the corporeal Chariot is supposed to be accurate rememberence, then why this has never been mentioned by avaykt Brahma in any Vani....Av. Vanis always mention that we should not have any love with mitti(mud ie body of flesh and bones), and AK teaches just the reverse.
You are free to remember Shiv in any way that you deem fit.

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Post by Sach_Khand » 31 Mar 2011

arjun wrote:ShivBaba bhi kahtey hain mai pehley is (Sakar Brahma) ko samjhaata hoon. ShivBaba ka yah chaitanya home hai. Pehley-pehley yah (Brahma) seekhtey hain fir unsay adopted children numberwaar seekh rahey hain. Yah badee guhya baatein hain. Sadgati data patit-paavan khud aakar yah sab raaz samjhaatey hain. Aisey nahee ki vahaan say preranaa kartey hain. Vah toh yahaan aatey hain.. (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli dinaank 23.02.07, pg.2)

“ShivBaba also says that I initially explain to this one (corporeal Brahma). This is ShivBaba's living home. First of all this one (Brahma) learns. Then the adopted children are learning from him numberwise. These are very deep matters. The bestower of true salvation, the purifier of the sinful ones comes Himself and explains all these secrets. It is not that he gives inspiration from there. He comes here.(Revised Sakar Murli dated 23.02.07, pg.2 published by BKs)
Will anyone please explain the words made large? Whom does the words yah (this) and unsay (him) and vah (he) refer ?

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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by arjun » 31 Mar 2011

Om Shanti. The above Murli point applied to Brahma Baba (the temporary Chariot) when he was alive, but now it applies to the current and appointed Chariot (believed to be Baba Virendra Dev Dixit by PBKs).

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Post by shivsena » 10 Apr 2011

Dear roy Bhai and pbk brothers.

Sharing an important point about the rememberence of Father.

Murli 1-8-03 says: "nirakar bap hai oonch-te-oonch, jab tak unka pura parichay nahin hai toh upsana kya karenge ??....Bhal kahete hain parampita paramatma shiv--nirakar upasi hain naa, nirakar ko Yaad karne wale, parantu woh kaun hai pura parichay chahiye naa....nirakar ko kyon Yaad karte hain...usse kya milega...kya nirakari duniya mein jaayenge....bhal sab Yaad karte hai parantu bigar parichay....iss prakar Yaad karne se koi pavan nahin banenge."

[meaning: "Incorporeal Father(shiv) is highest of the high, but till you do not have the full introduction, then whom will you remember.....It is sung (by BKs-PBKs) that parampita paramatma shiv ie. worshippers of incorporeal, and trying to remember incorporeal....but who is Shiv ??..you need the full introduction....why do you remember the incorporeal ...what are you going to get by this....do you want to go to the incorporeal world....well everyone(BKs--PBKs) remembers like this, but without full introduction....remembering in such a manner nobody will become pure."]

The above Murli point is spoken by shiv during 1965-69 and he has forseen that all BKs-PBKs will worship and remember incorporeal bindi shiv either in the incorporeal world or in the Chariot, and HE warning that this form of rememberence is not going to make them pure....HE also says that only by knowing his full introduction (ie yartharth roop - no 1 shivshakti) that the rememberence is accurate.

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Re: Accurate remembrance

Post by arjun » 11 Apr 2011

shivsena wrote:The above Murli point is spoken by Shiv during 1965-69 and he has forseen that all BKs-PBKs will worship and remember incorporeal bindi Shiv either in the incorporeal world or in the Chariot, and HE warning that this form of rememberence is not going to make them pure....HE also says that only by knowing his full introduction (ie yartharth roop - no 1 shivshakti) that the rememberence is accurate.
You are free to remember God in any form you want, but please do not spread the lies that PBKs remember incorporeal. If we remember incorporeal within corporeal, you do the same thing or even worse because you remember incorporeal within sutble (Mama) within corporeal (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit).

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Post by shivsena » 11 Apr 2011

arjun wrote: You are free to remember God in any form you want, but please do not spread the lies that PBKs remember incorporeal. If we remember incorporeal within corporeal, you do the same thing or even worse because you remember incorporeal within sutble (Mama) within corporeal (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit).
Whether you remember shiv in jad Paramdham above or you remember shiv as a deh-dhari, it means that you have made shiv nivritti-marg by seperating shiv from his no. 1 shakti(Mama)....this is what i feel.

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shivsena wrote:Whether you remember Shiv in jad Paramdham above or you remember Shiv as a deh-dhari, it means that you have made Shiv nivritti-marg by seperating Shiv from his no. 1 shakti(Mama)....this is what i feel.
We aren't separating Shiv from Shankar or Shiv from Shakti. It is you who are breaking the path of household by combining a subtle body with incorporeal. In the path of Bhakti Shivnetra (Shiv's eye or the third eye) is shown on the forehead of Shankar as well as Mahakali (i.e. shakti). Pravritti (household) can be possible only when the living soul is with the body and not without it. It is you who are encouraging nivritti (path of renunciation), not we.

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Post by shivsena » 12 Apr 2011

arjun wrote: We aren't separating Shiv from Shankar or Shiv from Shakti. It is you who are breaking the path of household by combining a subtle body with incorporeal. In the path of Bhakti Shivnetra (Shiv's eye or the third eye) is shown on the forehead of Shankar as well as Mahakali (i.e. shakti). Pravritti (household) can be possible only when the living soul is with the body and not without it. It is you who are encouraging nivritti (path of renunciation), not we.
So with whom does shiv make his pravritti ???....is shiv-Shankar pravritti or is shiv-shakti pravritti. !!!!

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Post by arjun » 12 Apr 2011

So with whom does Shiv make his pravritti ???....is Shiv-Shankar pravritti or is Shiv-shakti pravritti. !!!!
Shiv's pravritti (household) is with every human soul numberwise to the extent someone is soul conscious. Since the soul of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit becomes no.1 in soul consciousness his pravritti with Shiv is famous in the path of Bhakti as Shiv-Shankar. Others are numberwise Shiv-shaktis or Pandavas (famous as shivshaktipandavsena).

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