Dear ex-l Bhai,ex-l wrote:The "yukti" or intellectual device you are using here, pbkindiana (and it is common within the BK movement), is a fallacious argument known as "The Excluded Middle". An "either-or" fallacy. That is, to suggest there are only two alternatives when there are more, e.g. "being a traitor" is the only alternative to being a "faithful PBK". I would suggest that 'knowledge', 'wisdom' or 'enlightenment' lies somewhere between the two extremes.
We are talking here about concrete proof where the world will immediately accept personified form of Almighty Authority Shiv. So far either in the bk or pbk world, there is no concrete proof to make the world bow down to the Almighty Godfather in a second. All we have is paperwork where the intellect recognizes God's words and we accept that exclusive personality to be the appointed Chariot of Father Shiv. So it is your prerogative to say what you like or to follow anyone's methodology.
Sorry to disappoint you as there is no fear at all in any PBKs as we have found Father.The only reason we are unable to produce any evidence is that we have no access to the original Sakar Murlis.The PBKs fear to look at reality and instead hide their heads in revised and re-written pieces of papers, produced by the antagonistic BKWSU, at a distance in time and geography from reality. Why cannot one PBK take the courage and go and look into the claimed history of Shewkram/Sevakram?
MU 23/7/69 -- "She was associated with the Yagya and often used to go into trance, she even tutored Mama and Baba. Father (Supreme Soul) entered her, to give directions. So high was their status. Today they are not here. At that time there not so much knowledge."From our study of history, we now know that there was no awareness of Shiva existence prior to at least 1950 and the BKWSU does not wish to discuss of evidence the "mystical" introduction of it/him post-1950, nor its historical revision. Veerendra Dev Dixit appears to know very little about all this and throws the question back to us "on the internet"
This Murli quote denotes that prior of entry in Dada Lekraj, Shiv has entered the mother Also it is mentioned is Murli dated:
8/7/78 -- Very good children played excellent role for 5/10 years then admitted defeat." So according to my calculations, Confluence Age started in 1937 and after 10 years was 1947 and nobody knows when this mother left her body exactly for Shiv to enter Dada lekraj. Also nobody knows when was exactly Dada lekraj being conferred the title as "Brahma Baba" as it is said in Murli dated 12/10/74: -- "The title of Brahma is attributed only when Father makes the entry." So only those who were present during the initial period with Brahma Baba can disclose everything.
Yes, I agree with you. Certainly there should be some evidence but the PBKs have no access to it.Surely history would present up some leads, even as simple as biographical details, birth, death, business status, family etc ... perhaps some insightful stories?
I really don't have any idea about sevakram or what happen during his era so I am sorry to say that i am unable to debate with you regarding this topic.At present, the evidence presented is against the case. Sevakram was the secretary of the Anti-Party and owed money to Lekhraj Kirpalani at the time of Om Mandli. Amongst high level court proceedings, neither he nor his wife is not listed amongst Om Mandli members as of 1937/38, nor is he documented?
I am not interested in sevakram or what happened during his era as the PBKs have no documentation of sevakram's biography. I am only interested in Baba Virendra Dev Dixit as I have absolute faith that he is the appointed Chariot of Supreme Father Shiva. Also around 7 or 8 years ago, the BK HQ asked Baba Virendra Dev Dixit to proof that he is ShivBaba. That is a logical query asking someone to proof of his present status and not to delve the past when it is not beneficial. What the world wants to see is the personified form of the Almighty Authority Father and not sevakram.How do we explain that? Or do you argue that we don't. We just adopt the position of blind faith?
Well, will you believe it if he reveals everything to your queries and become a staunch pbkIt is not a little bit strange that God enlightened Veerendra Dev Dixit has no insight, no information or has not done so himself? (And, BTW, has the original Sevakram's wife and medium also reincarnated?).
Om Shanti -- indie