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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Golden Heart » 31 Mar 2020

From viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2729#p54711

In compliance with persistent requests from members of SAT, we would address the various misconceptions of relevant points of Knowledge, in this topic, for the benefit of all concerned - situation and time permitting.

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Post by Golden Heart » 01 Apr 2020

To be able to comprehend the clarifications of ‘misconceptions’ of relevant points of Knowledge, in this topic - which would be provided forthwith - one needs to appreciate the following basic principles, which cause individuals to have different opinions, or conflicting comprehension, of the very same point, or points, of pure, unadulterated Knowledge.

The Knowledge given by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, through the lotus mouth/intellect of Brahma Baba, is in the purest form, initially. But this SAME Knowledge is interpreted, or understood, DIFFERENTLY, by various categories, or sub-categories, of embodied souls, depending on their predestined roles within this EWD Play.

The TWO main categories, having differing interpretations of the VERY SAME point, or points of Knowledge, would be - the Sovereigns (religio-political leaders) of the ‘Day of the Cycle’ (Day of Brahma) – AND - the sovereigns (political and religious leaders) of the ‘Night of the Cycle’ (Night of Brahma).

Incorporeal God Father Shiva, or ShivBaba, delivers the pure, unadulterated Knowledge ONLY through the lotus mouth/intellect of Brahma Baba – for the benefit of the Sovereigns of the ‘Day of the Cycle’.

While, the Godly Form, or ‘Ishwariya Rup’, of Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADES as ‘ShivBaba’ through Baba Dixit, using the very same points of pure Knowledge of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, and propagates same, after adulterating them, to be in consonance with the concepts of the ‘path of devotion’ of Bhaktimarg – for the benefit of the sovereigns of the ‘Night of the Cycle’!

These TWO main categories are further divided into relevant sub-categories.

For the ‘Day of the Cycle’, the two main sub-categories are the Sovereigns of Golden Age, AND, the Sovereigns of Silver Age.

There will be differing interpretations of the very SAME point, or points of pure Knowledge between the various sub-categories of souls of the very beginning of Golden Age also – viz., 9 lakh; 16 thousand; one hundred; AND, eight.

There will also be differing interpretations of the very SAME point, or points of pure Knowledge between the various sub-categories of souls of the TEN major religious ideologies of the ‘Night of the Cycle’.

Any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’ - will not be able to appreciate, or accept, the particular interpretations, of the VERY SAME point or points of Knowledge, of ANOTHER category, or sub-category – and there will always be CONFLICT between them, UNTIL the end of Confluence Age - and the intensity, or degree of conflict, will depend on VARIOUS factors.

ONLY the highest 108 souls of Golden Age would be in a position to appreciate these aspects to the highest possible extent.

Therefore, it needs to be appreciated that the clarifications of ‘misconceptions’ of relevant points of Knowledge, in this topic, are based on the intellectual potential of 108 souls of Golden Age – and therefore, same would NOT appeal to many others who belong to another category, or sub-category.

These clarifications are to be viewed from this perspective. Hence, no debate, or arguments, can be entertained, since same would be unproductive. However, should anyone have genuine queries which need further clarifications, for their very own benefit, we may provide assistance to them, at our sole discretion.

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by destroy old world » 05 Apr 2020

Golden Heart wrote:
01 Apr 2020
The TWO main categories, having differing interpretations of the VERY SAME point, or points of Knowledge, would be - the Sovereigns (religio-political leaders) of the ‘Day of the Cycle’ (Day of Brahma) – AND - the sovereigns (political and religious leaders) of the ‘Night of the Cycle’ (Night of Brahma). ...

Any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’ - will not be able to appreciate, or accept, the particular interpretations of ANOTHER category, or sub-category – and there will always be CONFLICT between them, UNTIL the end of Confluence Age - and the intensity, or degree of conflict, will depend on VARIOUS factors. ...

These clarifications are to be viewed from this perspective. Hence, no debate, or arguments, can be entertained, since same would be unproductive. However, should anyone have genuine queries which need further clarifications, for their very own benefit, we may provide assistance to them, at our sole discretion.
This explains the evident existence of ‘difference of opinion’ about (the SAME) ONE God, and the evident difference in the respective ideologies (which APPEARS to be conflicting) between various religions, or religious ideologies, on the path of devotion, or ‘Night of the Cycle’ – the accurate ‘shooting’ of which takes place during the Confluence Age! Thus, this explains why there is conflict between various groups of Brahmin souls, in their individual, or collective interpretations of the VERY SAME point, or points of Knowledge, revealed by Shiva through Brahma Baba!

Broadly speaking, this would give rise to the clear understanding that what the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, consider to be ‘an unlimited aspect’, would be considered to be ‘a limited aspect’, by the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Night of the Cycle’; and, what the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, consider to be ‘a limited aspect’, would be considered to be ‘an unlimited aspect’, by the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Night of the Cycle’. This is because the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, would interpret the point, or points of Knowledge, from a soul-conscious perspective; while the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Night of the Cycle’, would interpret the VERY SAME point, or points of Knowledge, from a body-conscious perspective - WITHOUT being AWARE of same – and this LACK of awareness is deliberately incorporated within Drama, to enable these souls to enact their respective roles accordingly!

This is all the more reason why there cannot be ANY fruitful, or productive debate, or discussion of the VERY SAME, relevant point, or points of Knowledge, between “any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’.”

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Golden Heart » 06 Apr 2020

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The revised printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis are heavily edited and curtailed, as compared to the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis; several mistakes/errors have also inadvertently crept in the printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis in subsequent revisions; and some alterations/modifications have also been incorporated, in good faith, by the instrumental souls who were given charge of the Murli department, based on their number-wise comprehension. However, as per Drama Plan, all this is perfectly appropriate, and new aspirants of Knowledge are still afforded exposure to the basic tenets of the Knowledge, which are essential for their spiritual progress – and they need not be concerned about the above process, since they may not have adequate time and disposition to involve themselves with same.

The initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis were produced, or generated, by a team - based on the actual original audio recordings of the ‘Sakar’ Murlis, spoken by Shiva through Brahma Baba, at that time, or soon after that time. However, ONLY the REQUIRED ESSENCE from the original audio recordings was captured, while producing/generating the initial/original ‘Sakar’ Murlis. Therefore, the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis are NOT, REPEAT NOT, a word-for-word presentation of the complete contents of the original audio recordings! In most cases, issues referring to particular individuals of the time, or particular incidents of the time, have been omitted altogether. Also, in some cases, a particular initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murli may even contain excerpts from two or more original audio recordings, which were considered to be appropriate, or essential, at the time.

There are some group of individuals, who are harbouring the MISTAKEN belief, that the original audio recordings of the ‘Sakar’ Murlis are NOT spoken by Shiva through Brahma Baba, since they observed the anomaly highlighted above - WITHOUT comprehending the CORRECT SITUATION, or process. They have confounded themselves by DELUSIVELY believing that, since the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis do not exactly MATCH with the original audio recordings of the ‘Sakar’ Murlis, therefore such audio recordings must probably be FAKE, spoken by a FAKE Brahma! This rank STUPIDITY of their intellects has been inadvertently promoted, after having exposed their intellects to the teachings of Baba Dixit, who is instrumental to carry out the ‘shooting’ of FALSE Gita of Ravan Rajya!

Above group of individuals, are also harbouring the MISTAKEN belief that the Avyakt Vanis are also probably spoken by the same FICTITIOUS FAKE Brahma, after he left his corporeal body - since they are not able to corroborate their PERSONAL comprehension of the Avyakt Vanis, with their PERSONAL comprehension of the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis – WITHOUT being aware that their PERSONAL comprehension is based on the rank STUPIDITY of their intellects, after having exposed their intellects to the teachings of Baba Dixit, who is instrumental to carry out the ‘shooting’ of FALSE Gita of Ravan Rajya! Even though some of them may have LATER realized that the teachings of Baba Dixit are FALSE – in the sense that they constitute the ‘shooting’ of FALSE Gita of Ravan Rajya – they are TOTALLY UNAWARE that the residual ENERGY of such EXPOSURE still persists in subtle form within their intellects, and DECEIVES them into NOT comprehending the ‘Sakar’ Murlis and Avyakt Vanis in their proper perspective. As a consequence of this, they WASTE their precious time, energy and resources, by getting involved in MISTAKEN belief systems, and propagating FALSE and MALICIOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES – very much to their own spiritual degradation, perdition and damnation!

Further clarifications will follow in subsequent posts in this topic.

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Zorba the Greek » 11 Apr 2020

The process through which the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis were generated was mentioned earlier also, in post below -
Zorba the Greek wrote:
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Original SMs (mostly from 1963 to 1969) were initially hand-written, by listening to the original audio recording, and were at first type-written & cyclo-styled, later type-written & photo-copied, and finally computer-written & printed, with the passage of time.
It is NEVER PRACTICAL to intelligibly hand-write EACH & EVERY spoken word from the original audio recording, hence ONLY the REQUIRED ESSENCE from the original audio recording was hand-written initially, which were then type-written & cyclo-styled, or type-written & photo-copied, and became the Original SMs - which will NOT TALLY, WORD for WORD, with the original audio recording - and it was NEVER intended to be so.

The SMs were revised ALL OVER AGAIN, PERIODICALLY, at intervals of about FIVE years, beginning from 1969.
Omissions, corrections and alterations have been made by the BKs in subsequent revisions of the Original SMs, to cater to changed situations, etc. - PARTICULARLY after the PBKs began to MISINTERPRET & MISAPPROPRIATE the various points in the SMs to propagate their OWN philosophy.

The following factors may assist concerned Brahmin souls, in better comprehending the concerned processes –

1. ONLY the BK Organization has been officially vested with the authority to process the original spoken versions of Incorporeal God Father Shiva - by Shiva Himself, through his appointed Chariot of Brahma Baba (soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani) – and NO ONE ELSE has been vested with such authority by BapDada (Incorporeal ShivBaba & Brahma Baba)! Therefore, BapDada remain wholly and COMPLETELY responsible for any subsequent modifications, or alterations made to same by the BK Organization, throughout the Confluence Age!

2. The initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis contain ONLY the REQUIRED ESSENCE, which has been extracted from the original spoken versions – spoken by Shiva through the corporeal medium of Brahma Baba in mid/late nineteen-sixties – and, therefore, same are NOT a ‘word-for-word’ replication of the original spoken versions. Some initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis may consist of excerpts from one or more original spoken versions – (spoken on different dates) – as was considered to be appropriate by the instrumental team, duly assigned with this task, at the time.

3. The initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis were revised, thereafter, at intervals of approximately 5 years; but some modifications/alterations/additions/omissions/corrections/curtailments have been made in the most recent revisions, as compared to the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis – and there are many valid reasons for same.

4. The original spoken versions were exclusively designed, as per Drama plan, to cater ONLY to the CONCERNED future Sovereigns of RamRajya – who had to ESSENTIALLY listen to same DIRECTLY from Incorporeal God Father Shiva, through the impure ‘Sakar’ corporeal body of Brahma Baba, while they themselves were within their impure corporeal bodies, in ‘Sakar’, PRIOR 1969, so as to be able to refresh their governing sanskars, FIRST-HAND, as per plan of Drama – and the intellects of ONLY this category of embodied souls were pre-destined to best appreciate these DIRECT versions, in their proper perspective, to the highest possible extent – although still number-wise!

5. All other categories of Brahmin souls, who were not pre-destined, or who were not even required, to listen to the original spoken versions, DIRECTLY, as per Drama plan – as in the case of point 4, above – had the provision of listening to same through audio recordings of same, or reading same from the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis, which were made available, after 1969, when Brahma Baba had left his corporeal body. These categories of souls COULD NOT HAVE APPRECIATED the original spoken versions, even if they were given the opportunity to hear them DIRECTLY, in ‘Sakar’, prior 1969, owing to the pre-designed inferior potency of their intellectual capabilities.

6. In brief, embodied Brahmin souls who have a greater intellectual potency are exposed to this Knowledge from the beginning itself – through the original spoken versions, spoken PRIOR 1969 – as per Drama plan; while embodied Brahmin souls who have a progressively lower intellectual potency, are exposed to this Knowledge progressively later on, during Confluence Age, through initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis (which were also edited); and through the subsequent modified/curtailed versions of same – in accordance with their intellectual potency and their respective roles which they have to enact within this EWD Play – all, as per Drama plan!

7. Embodied Brahmin souls, who have a lower pre-destined intellectual potency, would NOT be in a position to correctly comprehend the original spoken versions, or even the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis, in their proper perspective – and they could even get confounded and perplexed by same, if they attempted to expose their intellects to same due to some form of external coercion, or internal compulsion. Whatever is ACTUALLY needed, or ESSENTIALLY required, by embodied Brahmins souls, who have a lower pre-destined intellectual potency or capability, is made available to them through the current, or existing modified/curtailed versions – (which has been derived from the original spoken versions) – as and when they come in contact with this Knowledge, during the latter part of Confluence Age - which is SUFFICIENT for them for their individual spiritual progress, and which FULLY caters to their required spiritual needs, and provides them with the required spiritual sustenance - as per Drama plan.

8. Hence there is NO NEED for these categories of embodied Brahmin souls to be TOO MUCH concerned about the orgininal spoken versions, or even the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis – since they would be unnecessarily wasting their time and energy, in getting unduly involved with same, which could be better utilised in developing their soul-conscious stage, which would enable them to automatically appreciate the deeper and subtler aspects of Knowledge, as per their ACTUAL individual capabilities and requirements, as they progressively develop soul-consciousness with accurate remembrance of Incorporeal God Father Shiva!

9. The non-appreciation of the factors highlighted above, expose unwary embodied Brahmin souls to get easily deceived, when the time for the ‘shooting’ of Ravan Rajya commences in Confluence Age – where the very same points from the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis are utilised, by the mukrar-rath of Ravan, to trick the unsuspecting Brahmin souls into delusively believing, that the adulterated and corrupted interpretations of same, which conform to the concepts of the path of adulterated devotion, constitute the unlimited meaning of same, clarified directly by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, operating through him – when, in fact, the Godly form, or Ishwariya rup of Ravan or Maya, influences the mukrar-rath of Ravan to propagate same, for the benefit of the sovereigns of Ravan Rajya, to enable them to refresh their governing sanskars during the latter part of Confluence Age, to enable them to enact their pre-destined roles within the Night of the Cycle!

10. Since all these occurrences are perfectly and accurately ordained within this EWD Play, therefore, each category of embodied souls, should be allowed to play out their respective preordained roles, without undue interference or criticism from any of the other categories. However, such interference and criticism would definitely continue to play out, until all categories begin to appreciate these preordained occurrences and their deeper significance within this EWD Play, in the proper perspective!

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Golden Heart » 22 Apr 2020

From viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2729#p54692

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Golden Heart wrote:
18 Dec 2019
बेहद का बाप बैठ इन द्वारा तुमको पढ़ाते हैं। वह है सभी आत्माओं का बाप। यह फिर है सभी मनुष्य आत्माओं का बेहद का बाप; नाम ही है प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा।
The Unlimited Father (Shiva) sits and explains through this one (soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani). He (Shiva) is the Father of ALL souls; whereas, THIS one (Brahma Baba) is the unlimited (‘Alokik’) Father of all human beings, whose name is PrajaPita Brahma.
SM, Revised 19.12.2019
Those who have PROPER comprehension of the Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge, will IMMEDIATELY be able to understand that WHERE EVER it is mentioned in ANY Revised ‘Sakar Murli’ that ‘Shiv is the Father of all souls, and then this Brahma is the Father of all human souls.’, this ACTUALLY means that Incorporeal God Father Shiva is the ‘Parlokik’ Father of ALL BODILESS HUMAN souls; while, Brahma Baba is the ‘Alokik’ Father of ALL EMBODIED HUMAN souls, or ALL human beings. ‘Embodied human souls’, and ‘human beings’, have the SAME connotation! ONCE CONCERNED embodied souls have CORRECTLY grasped these subtlest aspects in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE, it is then NOT NECESSARY to keep repeating the same EXTENSIVELY, again and again, subsequently – NOR is it PRACTICAL to do so!

a) As already clarified in earlier posts, there are MANY categories of BKs, who are number-wise, based on their inherent varying degree of intellectual potential - as preordained within Drama. From the above Murli point, some NEW BKs, or some BKs with a lower degree of intellectual potential, may have initially held the belief that Shiva is the Father of ALL souls, including animals, birds, insects, etc. - and they could have understood same in the proper perspective, only later on.

b) When Shiva conveys the idea that ‘He is the Father of only ALL BODILESS HUMAN souls’, this is meant in the SPECIFIC CONTEXT that ONLY EMBODIED HUMAN souls have the intellectual capacity, or capability to comprehend His Versions, spoken through the Lotus Mouth of Brahma Baba, to be able to claim their individual inheritance of Sovereignty from Him – although still number-wise – while, embodied souls of animals, birds, insects, etc., DO NOT have such intellectual capacity, or capability!

c) However, in a MORE SUBTLER PERSPECTIVE, Shiva can STILL be CONSIDERED to be the INCOGNITO ‘ProCreator’, or ‘Benefactor’ of ALL souls, INCLUDING those of animals, birds, insects, etc., and EVEN INCLUDING the five elements of nature - in the PARTICULAR CONTEXT, that Shiva is INVOLVED in the REJUVENATION of ALL EMBODIED living beings – humans, animals, birds, insects, etc., AS WELL AS, all the elements of nature!
Therefore, one needs to COMPREHEND EVERY ASPECT of Knowledge, and ALL its subtlest DERIVATIVES, in the APPROPRIATE CONTEXT in which they are intended – and one intended aspect of the SAME CONCEPT should not be CONFUSED, or CONFOUNDED with ANOTHER derived aspect of the SAME CONCEPT, which is more subtle, requiring a more subtler intellect to appreciate same in its MORE SUBTLER PERSPECTIVE!

See the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murli -
9.1.69 A.M (middle of page 1)
9.1.69.AM_pg1_madhy.PNG

When it is said that Brahma (soul of DLR) is the unlimited (‘Alokik’) Father of ‘all humans’, it obviously means ‘all human beings’ – but Brahma CANNOT be the ‘Alokik’ Father of human bodies; hence, Brahma is DEFINITELY the ‘Alokik’ Father of ALL EMBODIED HUMAN SOULS, or ALL EMBODIED HUMAN BEINGS, or ALL EMBODIED HUMANS, or ALL HUMANS – ALL of which have the SAME connotation! See clarification above.

As per Drama Plan, the CONCERNED members of the Murli department of the BK Organization have been vested with due authority to modify the Murli points to enhance the clarity of same, with the sole aim of minimising apparent ambiguities, for the benefit of newer aspirants of Knowledge, with a lower degree of intellectual capacity, or potential.

Regarding the point below, in the original ‘Sakar’ Murli -
24.8.67 A.M (end of page 7) – audio PDF
24.8.67.A.M_pg7_ant.PNG

See clarifications in points b) and c) above!

In conclusion –
1) Some Brahmin souls may NOT correctly comprehend the clarifications of the Murli points provided in the concerned topic, "SM & AV points for churning", of the relevant Sub-Forum, in the correct perspective – due to which they may even consider some to be FALSE – WITHOUT being AWARE that their mistaken conclusions are based on their OWN misunderstanding, and their OWN IGNORANCE of the SPECIFIC CONTEXT in which the various subtle aspects have been actually clarified therein.

2) There is ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE, for SUCH Brahmin souls, in studying the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis, since they are SIMPLY NOT FULLY AWARE of the processes through which such initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis have been formulated – and since they are NOT EVEN CLEAR of their ORIGINAL SOURCE, they CAN NEVER comprehend the Knowledge in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE, in the TRUE, ORIGINAL INTENT of Incorporeal God Father Shiva – hence the question of them having the ability to correct any mistakes in the Revised Murlis, or EVEN COMPREHEND the modifications made in same by duly authorised members of the BK Organization, DOES NOT ARISE, AT ALL – since they can NEVER have the PROPER COMPREHENSION of same in the ORIGINAL perspective, as ACTUALLY INTENDED by Incorporeal God Father Shiva!

See previous posts in this topic, for better understanding –
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2729&start=15#p54926
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2729&start=15#p54938

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Golden Heart » 24 Apr 2020

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Another clear example of how spiritually IGNORANT, and ruthlessly ARROGANT, embodied souls – who DELUSIVELY believe that they have studied and UNDERSTOOD the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis (SMs), and have also heard and UNDERSTOOD the original audios of SMs, and have also studied and UNDERSTOOD the Avyakt Vanis (AVs), (ACCORDING to them) - but who STILL DO NOT comprehend the Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE - consider the TRUTH of Incorporeal God Father Shiva to be blunders made by BKs – AFTER having exposed their intellects to the ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita, (based on original SMs & AVs), in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, propagated by Baba Dixit during the latter part of Confluence Age!
Golden Heart wrote:
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यह बहुत गुह्य समझने की बातें हैं जो फिर प्राय:लोप हो जानी हैं। फिर बाद में मनुष्य इस आधार पर शास्त्र आदि बनाते हैं।
These are very deep aspects which have to be understood; they will then disappear. Later on (on the ‘path of Devotion’), human beings create Scriptures, etc., on the basis of these aspects. SM, Revised 19.12.2019
Compare with the SAME initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murli -
9.1.69 A.M (end of page 2)
9.1.69.AM_pg2_ant.PNG

The words, ‘इस आधार पर’ – ‘on the basis of this’, have been added in the Revised Version of the SAME Original Murli, by the CONCERNED members of the Murli department of the BK Organization, in order to provide adequate clarification of this point, for the benefit of newer aspirants of Knowledge, with a lower degree of intellectual capacity, or potential – based on various clarifications of same, provided by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, in SEVERAL OTHER SMs – from which it is VERY CLEAR that the CONCERNED embodied souls who create Scriptures, etc., on the ‘path of Devotion’, are the VERY SAME Brahmin souls who are exposed to the Knowledge of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, during Confluence Age – NUMBER-WISE – and who create the Scriptures, on the basis of, or in accordance with, their corresponding comprehension of the Knowledge during Confluence Age - or their number-wise ‘refreshing’ (‘shooting’) of their sanskars, which takes place when they are exposed to this Knowledge during Confluence Age!
Those who ‘refresh’ their sanskars in Confluence Age, with the Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), number-wise, will be involved in creating the ‘Satopradhan & Sato’ Scriptures, and memorials, during the beginning and end of Copper Age, number-wise; and those who ‘refresh’ their sanskars in Confluence Age, with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita), number-wise, will be involved in creating the ‘Rajopradhan/Rajo & Tamo/Tamopradhan’ Scriptures, and memorials, during the beginning and end of Iron Age, number-wise! Thus, EVERY religio-political activity of ENTIRE Ravan Rajya, also has its origin, and basis, in Confluence Age, in subtle form – Confluence Age being the ‘BLUE-PRINT’ of ALL such activity during the remainder of the Cycle, which is considered to be the ‘BROAD Drama’!
Golden Heart wrote:
21 Dec 2019
तो यह जन्म, वा जीवन, वा युग सारे कल्प के खाते को जमा करने का युग वा जीवन है;
“So, THIS (Brahmin) birth, or (THIS Brahmin) life, or (THIS Confluence) Age, is a Life, or Age, for accumulating in your account for the WHOLE Cycle (RamRajya, AS WELL AS, Ravan Rajya).”
AV 24.03.1985, Revised 22.12.2019

Although the ENTIRE EWD Play, INCLUDING Confluence Age, is PRE-DESTINED, or PRE-SHOT – and NOTHING can be CHANGED – YET, WITHIN ONE ENTIRE Cycle, the Confluence Age forms the BASIS, or is the BLUE-PRINT, on which the various roles are enacted, in all the future births, during the REST of the ENTIRE Cycle.
ONLY in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT, can it be said that the ‘shooting’, or RE-FRESHING, of the various roles of all the births of the ENTIRE Cycle, takes place in the Confluence Age of the Cycle!
Embodied souls who DO NOT comprehend these subtlest secrets incorporated within this EWD Play - MISLEAD themselves, as well as others; are CRUEL to themselves, as well as to othersWITHOUT being ACTUALLY AWARE of same – thereby inadvertently involving themselves in propagating UTTERLY FALSE & MALICIOUS spiritual PROPAGANDA, and TREACHEROUS spiritual CONSPIRACY THEORIES, to INNUMERABLE souls, thus inadvertently leading them COMPLETELY ASTRAY – while, ALL the TIME, (or SIMULTANEOUSLY), being under the FALSE & DELUSIVE impression, that those who are ACTUALLY involved with clarifying the TRUTH, are involved in misleading others!
This is a GREAT PARADOX, incorporated within this EWD Play – which ONLY a handful of embodied souls are destined to comprehend in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE, to the HIGHEST possible extent!

The power of IGNORANCE, or NESCIENCE, is SUCH, that those who are ACTUALLY THOROUGHLY spiritually IGNORANT - CONFIDENTLY, AGGRESSIVELY, and EVEN TRIUMPHANTLY ASSERT, (from their OWN PERSONAL body-conscious perspective), that those who clarify the TRUTH, are ‘IGNORANT’– and they are ever willing to devote their time, energy and resources, in UNKNOWINGLY attempting to ‘prove’ TRUTH to be FALSEHOOD, and FALSEHOOD to be the TRUTH!
Therefore, it is NEVER POSSIBLE to have ANY meaningful DIALOGUE with them, UNTIL they are FIRST awakened from their DEEP spiritual SLUMBER – and they are TOTALLY UNAWARE of their ACTUAL condition!
LITERALLY, they are LIKE spiritual ZOMBIES – the LIVING DEAD!!!

Fortunately, there are VARIOUS processes, which are incorporated within this EWD Play, which facilitate the eventual spiritual awakening of such spiritual ZOMBIES, by ‘force majeure’ – Novel Corona Virus, or Covid-19 being one of them, on a global level – which is SPECIFICALLY designed to SOFTEN the stranglehold of body-consciousness, with which SUCH unfortunate souls are VICIOUSLY GRIPPED!

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Golden Heart » 26 Apr 2020

From viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2729#p54698

View relevant point of initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murli of 14.6.68 A.M. (beginning of page 1) -
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“The whole world – new and old (RamRajya & Ravan Rajya) – belongs to the Father (Shiva). The new world belongs to the Father, so would not the old world belong to Him? Only the Father (Shiva) purifies everyone (ALL the Sovereigns of RamRajya, as well as, ALL the sovereigns of Ravan Rajya – during Confluence Age – although still number-wise). Even the old world is also Mine. Only I am the Master of the whole world (new, as well as, old). Although I do not rule in the new world, it is still Mine, is it not?”

For English translation of the SAME Revised Murli, view link below,
https://bkmurli.com/today-Murli-30-may- ... i-English/

Incorporeal God Father Shiva DOES NOT come into the cycle of birth and death, like all other embodied human souls – therefore, the question of Him ruling, either in the New World, or the old World – or being the ‘Master of the World’ at ANY time, during ANY particular period, throughout the Cycle - DOES NOT arise!

He is regarded as the ‘Master of the WHOLE World’ (for ALL period of time, throughout the Cycle) – new, as well as, old – in the SPECIFIC CONTEXT that He is instrumental, within this EWD Play, either DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY/CONSEQUENTIALLY, to enable ALL the Sovereigns of RamRajya, as well as, ALL the sovereigns of Ravan Rajya, to ‘refresh’ their governing sanskars, during Confluence Age – (to enable them to practically execute their sovereign functions, at the APPROPRIATE time during the Cycle, for the appropriate duration of time, in accordance with their preordained specific governing roles) -
DIRECTLY, in His SPECIFIC role as ‘Brahma the Creator (of GOOD, or Deities)’, through the instrumental subtle Deity Brahma of the Subtle Region; and through Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR, on this corporeal sphere - through the dissemination of the Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), for the sole benefit of the potential Sovereigns of RamRajya, or the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Day of Brahma’ –
and INDIRECTLY/CONSEQUENTIALLY, in His SPECIFIC role as ‘Shankar the Destroyer (of EVIL, or Demons)’, through the instrumental subtle Deity Shankar of the Subtle Region; and through Baba Dixit, on this corporeal sphere - through the propagation of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (‘shooting’/‘ReFreshing’, of the FALSE Gita), for the sole benefit of the potential sovereigns of Ravan Rajya, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of Brahma’!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

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Post by Golden Heart » 28 Apr 2020

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Instead of just commenting IGNORANTLY – by ARROGANTLY ASSUMING that they understand what they are commenting about – DELUSIVELY believing same to be in consonance with the Pure, ORIGINAL INTENT of Incorporeal God Father Shiva – SUCH spiritually IGNORANT and ARROGANT embodied souls, should FIRST learn how to develop HUMILITY, and THEN ask RELEVANT questions – IF, AT ALL, they are keen to COMPREHEND the deeper and subtler aspects of the Pure, UNADULTERATED Knowledge, in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!
Golden Heart wrote:
21 Dec 2019
ब्राह्मण बनना अर्थात् खाता जमा करना; क्योंकि इस एक जन्म के जमा किये हुए खाते के प्रमाण, 21 जन्म प्रालब्ध पाते रहेंगे। न सिर्फ 21 जन्म प्रालब्ध प्राप्त करेंगे, लेकिन जितना पूज्य बनते हो, अर्थात् राज्य पद के अधिकारी बनते हो, उसी हिसाब अनुसार आधाकल्प भक्तिमार्ग में पूजा भी, राज्य भाग्य के अधिकार के हिसाब से होती है। राज्य पद श्रेष्ठ है, तो पूज्य स्वरूप भी इतना ही श्रेष्ठ होता है। इतनी संख्या में प्रजा भी बनती है। प्रजा अपने राज्य अधिकारी विश्व महाराजन वा राजन को ‘मात-पिता’ के रूप से प्यार करती है। इतना ही भक्त आत्मायें भी ऐसे ही उस श्रेष्ठ आत्मा को, वा राज्य अधिकारी महान आत्मा को, अपना प्यारा ईष्ट समझ पूजा करते हैं। जो अष्ट बनते हैं, वह ईष्ट भी इतने ही महान बनते हैं। इस हिसाब प्रमाण, इसी ब्राह्मण जीवन में राज्य पद और पूज्य पद पाते हो। आधाकल्प राज्य पद वाले बनते हो, और आधाकल्प पूज्य पद को प्राप्त करते हो। तो यह जन्म, वा जीवन, वा युग सारे कल्प के खाते को जमा करने का युग वा जीवन है; इसलिए आप सभी का एक स्लोगन बना हुआ है, याद है? अब नहीं, तो कब नहीं! यह इस समय के, इसी जीवन के लिए ही गाया हुआ है।
“To become a Brahmin, means to accumulate in your account; because, ACCORDING to how much You accumulate in your account, in THIS ONE birth (during Confluence Age), You will (ACCORDINGLY) continue to receive the reward (of SAME) for (NEXT) 21 births (during RamRajya). NOT ONLY will You receive the reward for (NEXT) 21 births; but, according to how much ‘worthy-of-worship’ You become; that is, according to how much worthy of a Royal status You become; to that VERY SAME extent, You will be worshiped (be ‘worthy-of-worship’) for half the Cycle, on the ‘path of Devotion’ (during Ravan Rajya), in ACCORDANCE with the right of your fortune of your Sovereignty (during RamRajya). A Royal status is elevated; and so Your ‘worthy-of-worship’ form (during Ravan Rajya) becomes AS MUCH elevated as your elevated Royal status (during RamRajya). The number of subjects is also created ACCORDINGLY. The subjects Love their World Emperor, or King, who has the right to Sovereignty, in the form of a ‘Mother & Father’. Similarly, devotee souls also consider those ELEVATED souls, or the great souls who have a right to Sovereignty, to be their lovely ‘beloved Deities’, and worship them to that SAME EXTENT. Those who become part of the EIGHT, also become JUST AS GREAT ‘beloved Deities’ (as the GREATNESS of the EIGHT Jewels). The Royal status (during RamRajya), and the ‘worthy-of-worship’ (‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’) status (during Ravan Rajya) are attained in THIS VERY Brahmin life (during Confluence Age), ACCORDING to this ACCOUNT. For half the Cycle (during RamRajya), You become those with a Royal status; and for half the Cycle (during Ravan Rajya), You attain a ‘worthy-of-worship’ (‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’) status. So, THIS (Brahmin) birth, or (THIS Brahmin) life, or (THIS Confluence) Age, is a Life, or Age, for accumulating in your account for the WHOLE Cycle (RamRajya, AS WELL AS, Ravan Rajya). This is why You have a slogan - do You remember it? ‘IF NOT NOW, THEN NEVER!’ This has been remembered about THIS time (of Confluence Age), and THIS (Brahmin) Life.”
AV 24.03.1985, Revised 22.12.2019

Although the ENTIRE EWD Play, INCLUDING Confluence Age, is PRE-DESTINED, or PRE-SHOT – and NOTHING can be CHANGED – YET, WITHIN ONE ENTIRE Cycle, the Confluence Age forms the BASIS, or is the BLUE-PRINT, on which the various roles are enacted, in all the future births, during the REST of the ENTIRE Cycle.
ONLY in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT, can it be said that the ‘shooting’, or RE-FRESHING, of the various roles of all the births of the ENTIRE Cycle, takes place in the Confluence Age of the Cycle!

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

ब्राह्मण बनना अर्थात् खाता जमा करना; क्योंकि इस एक जन्म के जमा किये हुए खाते के प्रमाण, 21 जन्म प्रालब्ध पाते रहेंगे। न सिर्फ 21 जन्म प्रालब्ध प्राप्त करेंगे, लेकिन जितना पूज्य बनते हो, अर्थात् राज्य पद के अधिकारी बनते हो, उसी हिसाब अनुसार आधाकल्प भक्तिमार्ग में पूजा भी, राज्य भाग्य के अधिकार के हिसाब से होती है। राज्य पद श्रेष्ठ है, तो पूज्य स्वरूप भी इतना ही श्रेष्ठ होता है।
“To become a Brahmin, means to accumulate in your account; because, ACCORDING to how much You accumulate in your account, in THIS ONE birth (during Confluence Age), You will (ACCORDINGLY) continue to receive the reward (of SAME) for (NEXT) 21 births (during RamRajya). NOT ONLY will You receive the reward for (NEXT) 21 births; but, according to how much ‘worthy-of-worship’ You become; that is, according to how much worthy of a Royal status You become; to that VERY SAME extent, You will be worshiped (be ‘worthy-of-worship’) for half the Cycle, on the ‘path of Devotion’ (during Ravan Rajya), in ACCORDANCE with the right of your fortune of your Sovereignty (during RamRajya). A Royal status is elevated; and so Your ‘worthy-of-worship’ form (during Ravan Rajya) becomes AS MUCH elevated as your elevated Royal status (during RamRajya).”

It is agreed that it is indeed VERY CONFUSING for a GROSS intellect to comprehend, or even grasp, the connection between the status of being ‘worthy-of-worship’, or the status of being worthy of a Royal status, during RamRajya – AND – the status of having the ‘worthy-of-worship’ form, during Ravan Rajya. Incorporeal God Father Shiva has EXPLICITLY EXPLAINED, through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, (using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar), that the ‘worthy-of-worship’ form, during Ravan Rajya (which is referred to as the ‘worthy-of-worship’ status, in the above point), is AS MUCH elevated as the status of being ‘worthy-of-worship’, or the status of being worthy of a Royal status, during RamRajya!
The CONFUSION has arisen from the use of the SAME term, ‘worthy-of-worship status’ - which PRACTICALLY pertains to RamRajya, ONLY in the SPECIFIC CONTEXT of becoming worthy of a Royal status there, since concerned ELEVATED souls are only REVERED in RamRajya, but are NOT ACTUALLY worshipped there, in RamRajya - to the ‘worthy-of-worship form’ during Ravan Rajya. For Ravan Rajya, the ‘worthy-of-worship’ status would ACTUALLY mean the ‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’ status!

The MOST ELEVATED, embodied souls - who achieve the status of being ‘worthy-of-worship’, or the status of being worthy of a Royal status, during RamRajya – are the VERY SAME embodied souls – who achieve the ‘worthy-of-worship’ status, or, MORE PRECISELY, the ‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’ status, during Ravan Rajya!
PRACTICALLY - they become devotees, and start worshipping their OWN idols, during Ravan Rajya – WITHOUT being AWARE, that they ARE the VERY SAME embodied souls, who had achieved the status of being ‘worthy-of-worship’, (or the status of being worthy of a Royal status), during RamRajya; OR, that they are ACTUALLY worshipping their OWN ‘worthy-of-worship’ forms (having achieved the ‘worthy-of-worship’ status, or, MORE PRECISELY, the ‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’ status), during Ravan Rajya, (based on their OWN status of being ‘worthy-of-worship’, or their OWN status of being worthy of a Royal status, during RamRajya)!

आधाकल्प राज्य पद वाले बनते हो, और आधाकल्प पूज्य पद को प्राप्त करते हो।
“For half the Cycle (during RamRajya), You become those with a Royal status; and for half the Cycle (during Ravan Rajya), You attain a ‘worthy-of-worship’ (‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’) status.”

This has been amply clarified in the preceding paragraph, ONLY for the benefit of those embodied souls, whose intellects have the capacity to grasp same, in the appropriate context – in consonance with the Pure, ORIGINAL INTENT of Incorporeal God Father Shiva!

Once again, it has to be STRESSED that the concerned, MOST ELEVATED embodied souls, who achieve the status of being ‘worthy-of-worship’, or the status of being worthy of a Royal status, during RamRajya, are ONLY REVERED in RamRajya - but they are NOT ACTUALLY worshipped there, in RamRajya! The subjects DO NOT worship the Sovereigns during RamRajya – they ONLY REVERE them, and hold them in the HIGHEST ESTEEM.
In RamRajya, NEITHER the Sovereigns, NOR the subjects are ACTUALLY AWARE of how, or when, the Sovereigns achieved SUCH an ELEVATED status – the subjects ONLY REVERE and LOVE the Sovereigns!
In Ravan Rajya, the VERY SAME, MOST ELEVATED embodied souls, who were the Sovereigns during RamRajya, become devotees and worship their OWN ‘worthy-of-worship’ forms (through idols, images, pictures, etc.), or, MORE PRECISELY, their OWN ‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’ forms – and their corresponding devotees (who were their subjects during RamRajya) also worship their ‘worthy-of-worship’ forms (through idols, images, pictures, etc.), or, MORE PRECISELY, their ‘worthy-of-BEING worshipPED’ forms (of the VERY SAME, MOST ELEVATED embodied souls), during Ravan Rajya! However, NEITHER SUCH MOST ELEVATED embodied souls (who become devotees of themselves, during Ravan Rajya), NOR their corresponding devotees (who were their corresponding subjects, during RamRajya) are ACTUALLY AWARE of the CORRECT INTRODUCTION of the Deity FORMS whom they worship, during Ravan Rajya!

UNLESS embodied souls CLEARLY understand that the AVs are spoken by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, through Brahma Baba, they will NEVER be able to comprehend these Versions, in the PROPER CONTEXT – and will keep on making STUPID COMMENTS, based on their COMPLETE Spiritual IGNORANCE, coupled with their OWN ruthless ARROGANCE - of DELUSIVELY believing that they understand the Knowledge properly, since they have studied the original SMs and AVs extensively – (ACCORDING to them)!


अब नहीं, तो कब नहीं! यह इस समय के, इसी जीवन के लिए ही गाया हुआ है।
‘IF NOT NOW, THEN NEVER!’ This has been remembered about THIS time (of Confluence Age), and THIS (Brahmin) Life.
Golden Heart wrote:
21 Dec 2019
ANYONE, who is TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, into DELUSIVELY believing that ANY OTHER embodied soul can be MORE ELEVATED than Brahma Baba – or, ANYONE, who believes that Incorporeal God Father Shiva DOES NOT speak the AVs, ALONG WITH Brahma Baba – or, ANYONE, who believes that some other human soul speaks the AVs – is the GREATEST Spiritual IDIOT (‘Maha-murkh’) of the Confluence Age – ALL, PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan – which is PRE-DESTINED and PRE-SHOT – hence, NO BLAME, or FAULT, can be apportioned to ANYONE!
SUCH Spiritual IDIOTS (‘Maha-murkh’) of the Confluence Age, can NEVER DIFFERENTIATE, or DISCRIMINATE, between the ‘unlimited clarifications’ (pertaining to RamRajya - from a soul-conscious perspective), provided by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, or ShivBaba, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba – AND - the ‘unlimited clarifications’ (pertaining to Ravan Rajya - from a body-conscious perspective), provided by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, through Baba Dixit!
Golden Heart wrote:
01 Apr 2020
Any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’ - will not be able to appreciate, or accept, the particular interpretations, of the VERY SAME point or points of Knowledge, of ANOTHER category, or sub-category – and there will always be CONFLICT between them, UNTIL the end of Confluence Age - and the intensity, or degree of conflict, will depend on VARIOUS factors.

ONLY the highest 108 souls of Golden Age would be in a position to appreciate these aspects to the highest possible extent.
destroy old world wrote:
05 Apr 2020
Broadly speaking, this would give rise to the clear understanding that what the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, consider to be ‘an unlimited aspect’, would be considered to be ‘a limited aspect’, by the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Night of the Cycle’; and, what the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, consider to be ‘a limited aspect’, would be considered to be ‘an unlimited aspect’, by the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Night of the Cycle’. This is because the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, would interpret the point, or points of Knowledge, from a soul-conscious perspective; while the instrumental Brahmin souls of the ‘Night of the Cycle’, would interpret the VERY SAME point, or points of Knowledge, from a body-conscious perspective - WITHOUT being AWARE of same – and this LACK of awareness is deliberately incorporated within Drama, to enable these souls to enact their respective roles accordingly!

This is all the more reason why there cannot be ANY fruitful, or productive debate, or discussion of the VERY SAME, relevant point, or points of Knowledge, between “any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’.”

Golden Heart wrote:
21 Dec 2019
ब्रह्मा बाप की विशेषता क्या देखी! यही देखी ना ‘तुरन्त दान ..’; कभी सोचा कि क्या होगा? पहले सोचूँ पीछे करूँ, नहीं। ‘तुरन्त दान महा पुण्य’ के कारण, नम्बरवन महान आत्मा बनें; इसलिए देखो, नम्बरवन महान आत्मा बनने के कारण, कृष्ण के रूप में नम्बरवन पूजा हो रही है। एक ही यह महान आत्मा है, जिसकी बाल रूप में भी पूजा है। बाल रूप भी देखा है ना? और युवा रूप में ‘राधे-कृष्ण’ के रूप में भी पूजा है; और तीसरा, गोप गोपियों के रूप में भी गायन पूजन है; चौथा, ‘लक्ष्मी-नारायण’ के रूप में। यह एक ही महान आत्मा है, जिसके भिन्न-भिन्न आयु के रूप में, भिन्न-भिन्न चरित्र के रूप में गायन और पूजन है। राधे का गायन है, लेकिन राधे को बाल रूप में कभी झूला नहीं झुलायेंगे। कृष्ण को झुलाते हैं। प्यार कृष्ण को करते हैं। राधे का साथ के कारण नाम जरूर है। फिर भी नम्बर दो और एक में फर्क तो होगा ना। तो नम्बरवन बनने का कारण क्या बना? महा पुण्य! महान पुण्य आत्मा सो महान पूज्य आत्मा बन गई।
“What was the speciality You saw in Father Brahma (soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani)? You saw his ‘great virtue of instant charity’. Did he ever think about what would happen (in the future)? It was never, ‘let me think about it first, and then I will do it.’ Because of his ‘great virtue of instant charity’, he (Brahma Baba, or soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani) became the NUMBER ONE great soul (among ALL OTHER embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere). Therefore, You can see, that his (Brahma Baba’s) worship is NUMBER ONE, in the form of Krishna (during Ravan Rajya), because he became the NUMBER ONE great soul (during Confluence Age). THIS (Brahma Baba) is the ONLY ONE great (embodied) soul, who is also worshiped (FIRST) in his childhood form. You have seen his childhood form, have You not? And (SECOND) he is also worshiped in the form of ‘Radhe-Krishna’ (along with Radhe), in his adolescent form; and THIRD, he is remembered and worshiped in the form of (along with) the gopes and gopis too; and FOURTH, (he is also worshiped) in the form of Lakshmi & Narayan (along with Lakshmi). This (Brahma Baba) is the ONLY ONE great soul who is remembered and worshiped in various forms of age, and various forms of personality. There is praise of Radhe too, but they never rock her in a cradle, as a child, like they rock Krishna. They love Krishna (soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani - the MOST). Radhe definitely has a name (is famous) because of his (Krishna’s) company. Nevertheless, there is a difference between being the second number (soul of Shri Radhe) and the FIRST number (soul of Shri Krishna). So, what was the reason for (Shri Krishna – soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani) having become NUMBER ONE? GREAT VIRTUE (of INSTANT CHARITY)! The greatest VIRTUOUS soul (Brahma Baba, or soul of Lekhraj Kirpalaniat the very end of Confluence Age), himself, then became the greatest ‘worthy-of-worship’ soul (during Ravan Rajya).”
AV 24.03.1985, Revised 22.12.2019

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev becomes the NUMBER ONE greatest VIRTUOUS soul – among ALL OTHER embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere, within this EWD Play.

यह एक ही महान आत्मा है, जिसके भिन्न-भिन्न आयु के रूप में, भिन्न-भिन्न चरित्र के रूप में गायन और पूजन है।
This (Brahma Baba) is the ONLY ONE great soul who is remembered and worshiped in various forms of age, and various forms of personality.
Golden Heart wrote:
21 Dec 2019
ANYONE, who is TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, into DELUSIVELY believing that ANY OTHER embodied soul can be MORE ELEVATED than Brahma Baba – or, ANYONE, who believes that Incorporeal God Father Shiva DOES NOT speak the AVs, ALONG WITH Brahma Baba – or, ANYONE, who believes that some other human soul speaks the AVs – is the GREATEST Spiritual IDIOT (‘Maha-murkh’) of the Confluence Age – ALL, PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan – which is PRE-DESTINED and PRE-SHOT – hence, NO BLAME, or FAULT, can be apportioned to ANYONE!
ONCE AGAIN - SUCH Spiritual IDIOTS (‘Maha-murkh’) of the Confluence Age, can NEVER DIFFERENTIATE, or DISCRIMINATE, between the ‘unlimited clarifications’ (pertaining to RamRajya - from a soul-conscious perspective), provided by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, or ShivBaba, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba – AND - the ‘unlimited clarifications’ (pertaining to Ravan Rajya - from a body-conscious perspective), provided by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, through Baba Dixit!

In GENERAL, the PRAISE and WORSHIP of the Deity FORMS, during Ravan Rajya, pertain to ALL the MOST ELEVATED embodied souls of RamRajya, who achieved that status during Confluence Age – but, NUMBER-WISE; and, in PARTICULAR, the PRAISE and WORSHIP of the Deity FORMS, during Ravan Rajya, pertain to the NUMBER ONE, MOST ELEVATED, great embodied soul of Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR, who becomes the VERY FIRST Prince, Shri Krishna of the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age – being the PEAK-CREAM of the ENTIRE human race, within this EWD Play!

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Post by Golden Heart » 03 May 2020

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Golden Heart wrote:
21 Dec 2019
ब्रह्मा बाप की विशेषता क्या देखी! यही देखी ना ‘तुरन्त दान ..’; कभी सोचा कि क्या होगा? पहले सोचूँ पीछे करूँ, नहीं। ‘तुरन्त दान महा पुण्य’ के कारण, नम्बरवन महान आत्मा बनें; इसलिए देखो, नम्बरवन महान आत्मा बनने के कारण, कृष्ण के रूप में नम्बरवन पूजा हो रही है। एक ही यह महान आत्मा है, जिसकी बाल रूप में भी पूजा है। बाल रूप भी देखा है ना? और युवा रूप में ‘राधे-कृष्ण’ के रूप में भी पूजा है; और तीसरा, गोप गोपियों के रूप में भी गायन पूजन है; चौथा, ‘लक्ष्मी-नारायण’ के रूप में। यह एक ही महान आत्मा है, जिसके भिन्न-भिन्न आयु के रूप में, भिन्न-भिन्न चरित्र के रूप में गायन और पूजन है। राधे का गायन है, लेकिन राधे को बाल रूप में कभी झूला नहीं झुलायेंगे। कृष्ण को झुलाते हैं। प्यार कृष्ण को करते हैं। राधे का साथ के कारण नाम जरूर है। फिर भी नम्बर दो और एक में फर्क तो होगा ना। तो नम्बरवन बनने का कारण क्या बना? महा पुण्य! महान पुण्य आत्मा सो महान पूज्य आत्मा बन गई।
“What was the speciality You saw in Father Brahma (soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani)? You saw his ‘great virtue of instant charity’. Did he ever think about what would happen (in the future)? It was never, ‘let me think about it first, and then I will do it.’ Because of his ‘great virtue of instant charity’, he (Brahma Baba, or soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani) became the NUMBER ONE great soul (among ALL OTHER embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere). Therefore, You can see, that his (Brahma Baba’s) worship is NUMBER ONE, in the form of Krishna (during Ravan Rajya), because he became the NUMBER ONE great soul (during Confluence Age). THIS (Brahma Baba) is the ONLY ONE great (embodied) soul, who is also worshiped (FIRST) in his childhood form. You have seen his childhood form, have You not? And (SECOND) he is also worshiped in the form of ‘Radhe-Krishna’ (along with Radhe), in his adolescent form; and THIRD, he is remembered and worshiped in the form of (along with) the gopes and gopis too; and FOURTH, (he is also worshiped) in the form of Lakshmi & Narayan (along with Lakshmi). This (Brahma Baba) is the ONLY ONE great soul who is remembered and worshiped in various forms of age, and various forms of personality. There is praise of Radhe too, but they never rock her in a cradle, as a child, like they rock Krishna. They love Krishna (soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani - the MOST). Radhe definitely has a name (is famous) because of his (Krishna’s) company. Nevertheless, there is a difference between being the second number (soul of Shri Radhe) and the FIRST number (soul of Shri Krishna). So, what was the reason for (Shri Krishna – soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani) having become NUMBER ONE? GREAT VIRTUE (of INSTANT CHARITY)! The greatest VIRTUOUS soul (Brahma Baba, or soul of Lekhraj Kirpalaniat the very end of Confluence Age), himself, then became the greatest ‘worthy-of-worship’ soul (during Ravan Rajya).”

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev becomes the NUMBER ONE greatest VIRTUOUS soul – among ALL OTHER embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere, within this EWD Play.

ANYONE, who is TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, into DELUSIVELY believing that ANY OTHER embodied soul can be MORE ELEVATED than Brahma Baba – or, ANYONE, who believes that Incorporeal God Father Shiva DOES NOT speak the AVs, ALONG WITH Brahma Baba – or, ANYONE, who believes that some other human soul speaks the AVs – is the GREATEST Spiritual IDIOT (‘Maha-murkh’) of the Confluence Age – ALL, PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan – which is PRE-DESTINED and PRE-SHOT – hence, NO BLAME, or FAULT, can be apportioned to ANYONE!

एक ही यह महान आत्मा है, जिसकी बाल रूप में भी पूजा है। बाल रूप भी देखा है ना? और युवा रूप में ‘राधे-कृष्ण’ के रूप में भी पूजा है; और तीसरा, गोप गोपियों के रूप में भी गायन पूजन है; चौथा, ‘लक्ष्मी-नारायण’ के रूप में। यह एक ही महान आत्मा है, जिसके भिन्न-भिन्न आयु के रूप में, भिन्न-भिन्न चरित्र के रूप में गायन और पूजन है।
“THIS (Brahma Baba) is the ONLY ONE great (embodied) soul, who is also worshiped (FIRST) in his childhood form. You have seen his childhood form, have You not? And (SECOND) he is also worshiped in the form of ‘Radhe-Krishna’ (along with Radhe), in his adolescent form; and THIRD, he is remembered and worshiped in the form of (along with) the gopes and gopis too; and FOURTH, (he is also worshiped) in the form of Lakshmi & Narayan (along with Lakshmi). This (Brahma Baba) is the ONLY ONE great soul who is remembered and worshiped in various forms of age, and various forms of personality.

SUCH spiritually IGNORANT and ARROGANT embodied souls - who DELUSIVELY & ARROGANTLY ASSUME that they understand what they are commenting about - do not hesitate to BLATANTLY declare that the TEACHINGS of Incorporeal God Father Shiva, spoken through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, are ‘FALSE’ (ACCORDING to their CORRUPTED & PERVERTED STONE intellects) – since they DO NOT comprehend them in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE, in consonance with the Pure, ORIGINAL INTENT of Incorporeal God Father Shiva – and since they develop ADULTERATED, DISTORTED & INVERTED STONE intellects, AFTER EXPOSURE of their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita), initiated by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – who is involved in carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – ALL, PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan!
Golden Heart wrote:
06 Apr 2020
The initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis were produced, or generated, by a team - based on the actual original audio recordings of the ‘Sakar’ Murlis, spoken by Shiva through Brahma Baba, at that time, or soon after that time. However, ONLY the REQUIRED ESSENCE from the original audio recordings was captured, while producing/generating the initial/original ‘Sakar’ Murlis. Therefore, the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis are NOT, REPEAT NOT, a word-for-word presentation of the complete contents of the original audio recordings! In most cases, issues referring to particular individuals of the time, or particular incidents of the time, have been omitted altogether. Also, in some cases, a particular initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murli may even contain excerpts from two or more original audio recordings, which were considered to be appropriate, or essential, at the time.

There are some group of individuals, who are harbouring the MISTAKEN belief, that the original audio recordings of the ‘Sakar’ Murlis are NOT spoken by Shiva through Brahma Baba, since they observed the anomaly highlighted above - WITHOUT comprehending the CORRECT SITUATION, or process. They have confounded themselves by DELUSIVELY believing that, since the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis do not exactly MATCH with the original audio recordings of the ‘Sakar’ Murlis, therefore such audio recordings must probably be FAKE, spoken by a FAKE Brahma! This rank STUPIDITY of their intellects has been inadvertently promoted, after having exposed their intellects to the teachings of Baba Dixit, who is instrumental to carry out the ‘shooting’ of FALSE Gita of Ravan Rajya!

Above group of individuals, are also harbouring the MISTAKEN belief that the Avyakt Vanis are also probably spoken by the same FICTITIOUS FAKE Brahma, after he left his corporeal body - since they are not able to corroborate their PERSONAL comprehension of the Avyakt Vanis, with their PERSONAL comprehension of the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis – WITHOUT being aware that their PERSONAL comprehension is based on the rank STUPIDITY of their intellects, after having exposed their intellects to the teachings of Baba Dixit, who is instrumental to carry out the ‘shooting’ of FALSE Gita of Ravan Rajya! Even though some of them may have LATER realized that the teachings of Baba Dixit are FALSE – in the sense that they constitute the ‘shooting’ of FALSE Gita of Ravan Rajya – they are TOTALLY UNAWARE that the residual ENERGY of such EXPOSURE still persists in subtle form within their intellects, and DECEIVES them into NOT comprehending the ‘Sakar’ Murlis and Avyakt Vanis in their proper perspective. As a consequence of this, they WASTE their precious time, energy and resources, by getting involved in MISTAKEN belief systems, and propagating FALSE and MALICIOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES – very much to their own spiritual degradation, perdition and damnation!

Adam wrote:
27 Apr 2020
Sakar Murli Revised on 27.04.2020
मनुष्य होकर बाप को ही नहीं जानते हैं। बाप कहते हैं - माया रावण ने सबकी पत्थरबुद्धि बना दी है। दिन-प्रतिदिन तमोप्रधान जास्ती होते जाते हैं। माया का बहुत जोर है, सुधरते ही नहीं।
“Although they are human beings, they do not know the Father. The Father says - Maya-Ravan, has made their intellects like stone (by propagating the false Gita, through the appointed Chariot of Maya-Ravan, during Confluence Age). Day by day, they are continuing to become more and more ‘tamopradhan’ (impure – such that they even start calling themselves as the ‘Supreme Soul’, or ‘Parmatma’). There is a lot of attraction of Maya, and so they do not even reform themselves (even after being cautioned constantly).”
Golden Heart wrote:
24 Jan 2019
इस समय बाप भी सर्वशक्तिवान है; दिन-प्रतिदिन माया भी सर्वशक्तिवान-तमोप्रधान होती जाती है, इसलिए अब बाप कहते हैं, मीठे बच्चे, देही-अभिमानी बनो।
At this time, the (Incorporeal) Father is also the (‘Satopradhan’) Almighty Authority; day by day, Maya is also becoming a ‘tamopradhan’ almighty authority. This is why, the Father says: Sweet Children, now become soul-conscious.”
Golden Heart wrote:
01 Feb 2018
आजकल मनुष्यों की तमोप्रधान बुद्धि होने के कारण बाप के टाइटिल भी अपने ऊपर रख देते हैं। वास्तव में श्रेष्ठ बनाने वाला श्री-श्री तो एक ही बाप है।
Nowadays, because human beings have DEGRADED (‘tamopradhan’) intellects, they even give themselves the titles of the Father. In fact, the One who makes You elevated is ONLY the ONE Father, who is ‘Shri Shri’.”
admin wrote:
21 Oct 2016
माया रावण ने सबको बुद्धू बना दिया है। भारतवासियों को यह भी पता नहीं कि राम राज्य किसको कहा जाता है। ...
माया भी सतो, रजो, तमो होती है। अब माया भी तमोप्रधान है।
“Maya, Ravan has made everyone into FOOLS. The people of Bharat do not even know what the Kingdom of Rama is. ...
Maya is also ‘sato, rajo & tamo’. Now, Maya is ALSO ‘tamopradhan’.”
Golden Heart wrote:
07 Apr 2018
इस समय बाप भी सर्वशक्तिवान है। दिन-प्रतिदिन माया भी सर्वशक्तिवान तमोप्रधान होती जाती है, इसलिए अब बाप कहते हैं, मीठे बच्चे, देही-अभिमानी बनो।
At THIS time, the Father is also the Almighty Authority (One with ALL Powers); and, day by day, Maya too is becoming a DEGRADED (‘tamopradhan’) almighty authority. This is why the Father now says: Sweet Children, become soul conscious.”

TRUE Shri Krishna (soul of DLR) is remembered and worshiped in the form of (along with) the gopes and gopis – from the beginning of Copper Age, WHEN ‘Bhakti’ or devotion is STILL ‘Satopradhan’ – as a memorial of the DISPLAY of PURE, UNADULTERATED Love by Incorporeal God Father Shiva - through the impure corporeal body of Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR, in ‘Sakar’, PRIOR 1969 (during Confluence Age) – towards the future Sovereigns of RamRajya, or ‘Day of the Cycle’, who themselves, becomes instrumental to commence such ‘Satopradhan Bhakti’, from the beginning of Copper Age!

FALSE ‘Shri Krishna’ (Confluence Age ‘Shri Krishna’ – Baba Dixit) is defamed in the form of (along with) the gopes and gopis – from the onset of Iron Age, WHEN ‘Bhakti’ or devotion becomes ‘Tamopradhan’ – as a memorial of the DISPLAY of IMPURE, ADULTERATED love (indulgence is SEX-LUST), under the influence of the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya - through the impure corporeal body of Baba Dixit, in ‘Sakar’, AFTER 1969 (during Confluence Age) – towards the future sovereigns of Ravan Rajya, or ‘Night of the Cycle’, who themselves, becomes instrumental to commence such ‘Tamopradhan Bhakti’, from the beginning of Iron Age!
Golden Heart wrote:
24 Oct 2019
भक्ति मार्ग जब शुरू होता है तो पहले एक की भक्ति की जाती है, उसको कहा जाता है अव्यभिचारी भक्ति। सतोप्रधान थे, अभी तो इस समय हैं तमोप्रधान। भक्ति भी व्यभिचारी (हो जाती है), अनेकों को याद करते रहते हैं। तमोप्रधान 5 तत्वों का बना हुआ शरीर, उनको भी पूजते हैं। तो गोया तमोप्रधान भूतों की पूजा करते हैं, परन्तु इन बातों को कोई समझते थोड़ेही हैं।
When the ‘path of Devotion’ commences, at first, there is worship of ONE, and that is called UNADULTERATED (‘avyabhichari’) Devotion (in the beginning of Copper Age). You were Pure (‘satopradhan’ – in the beginning of Golden Age), but at this time, You are impure (‘tamopradhan’ – at the end of Iron Age). Devotion also becomes ADULTERATED, when they continue to remember many (by the end of Iron Age). They even worship impure (‘tamopradhan’) bodies made of the five elements. Therefore, they are worshiping the ‘tamopradhan’ evil spirits. However, none of them understands these aspects.
Golden Heart wrote:
08 Apr 2019
बाप समझाते हैं, 3/4 से भी तुम जास्ती सुख भोगते हो। आधाकल्प के बाद भी तुम धनवान थे। कितने बड़े मन्दिर आदि बनवाते हैं। दु:ख तो पीछे होता है, जब बिल्कुल तमोप्रधान भक्ति बन जाती है। बाप ने समझाया है, तुम पहले-पहले अव्यभिचारी भक्त थे, सिर्फ एक की भक्ति करते थे। जो बाप तुमको देवता बनाते हैं, सुखधाम ले जाते हैं, उनकी ही तुम पूजा करते थे, फिर बाद में व्यभिचारी भक्ति शुरू होती है। पहले एक की पूजा, फिर देवताओं की पूजा करते थे। अभी तो 5 भूतों के बने हुए शरीरों की पूजा करते हैं। चैतन्य की भी, तो जड़ की भी पूजा करते हैं।
“The Father explains that You receive even more than three-quarters happiness (during the Cycle). You were wealthy even after half the Cycle; you had such big temples, etc., built. Sorrow comes later, when Devotion becomes completely ‘tamopradhan’. The Father has explained that you were, at first, UNADULTERATED devotees; You used to worship ONLY One. You would ONLY worship the Father, who makes You into Deities, and sends You to the ‘Land of Happiness’. Then, ADULTERATED Devotion began later. At first, there was worship of just One, and You then began to worship the Deities. Now they worship (impure) bodies made of the five elements. They worship the living (impure human beings), and also the non-living (idols of Deities).”
Golden Heart wrote:
03 Jul 2018
ज्ञान और भक्ति, दोनों अलग-अलग गाये जाते हैं। आधाकल्प सतयुग-त्रेता में ज्ञान की प्रालब्ध है, यहाँ फिर भक्ति की प्रालब्ध कहेंगे। यह है भक्ति मार्ग। पहले भक्ति भी अव्यभिचारी होती है, फिर अन्त में तमोप्रधान व्यभिचारी भक्ति होती है। अभी व्यभिचारी भक्ति का अन्त होना है, तब बाप आये हैं।
“Knowledge and Devotion are both remembered separately. For half the Cycle, there is the REWARD, or FRUIT, of Knowledge in the Golden and Silver Ages. Then, it would be said that here (during Copper & Iron Ages) you have the ‘reward’, or ‘fruit’ of Devotion. That is the ‘Path of Devotion’. At FIRST, Devotion is also UNADULTERATED; and then, at the end, Devotion too is ‘tamopradhan’ and ADULTERATED. It is now the end of ADULTERATED Devotion, which is why the Father has come.”
Golden Heart wrote:
30 Jun 2018
पहले थी सतोप्रधान, अव्यभिचारी भक्ति। फिर बाद में व्यभिचारी रजो, तमोप्रधान भक्ति होती है।
“At first, there was ‘satopradhan’, UNADULTERATED Devotion. Then, later, Devotion became ADULTERATED - ‘rajo’, and then ‘tamopradhan’.”
admin wrote:
03 May 2017
भक्ति भी पहले सतोप्रधान होती है, पीछे धीरे-धीरे तमोप्रधान होती जाती है।
“Devotion is at first ‘satopradhan’. Later on, it gradually becomes ‘tamopradhan’.”

The praise in ‘Satopradhan Bhakti’, during Copper Age, is the memorial of TRUE Shri Krishna (Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR), through whose 84th impure corporeal body, TRUE ShivBaba (Incorporeal God Father Shiva) delivers the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita, in the form of SMs), for the benefit of the Sovereigns of RamRajya, or ‘Day of the Cycle’ - who are the TRUE Gopes & Gopis of TRUE ShivBaba (Incorporeal God Father Shiva, through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba - as TRUE BapDada), who is THEIR TRUE (REAL) Gopi-Vallabh - during Confluence Age!

The defamation in ‘Tamopradhan Bhakti’, during Iron Age, is the memorial of FALSE ‘Shri Krishna’ (Confluence Age Shri Krishna – Baba Dixit), through whose 84th impure corporeal body, FALSE ‘ShivBaba’ (the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya) propagates the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (being the ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita), for the benefit of the sovereigns of Ravan Rajya, or ‘Night of the Cycle’- who are the FALSE Gopes & Gopis of FALSE ‘ShivBaba’ (the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, through the corporeal body of Baba Dixit - as FALSE ‘BapDada’), who is THEIR FALSE (APPARENT) ‘Gopi-Vallabh’ - more specifically, during the latter part of Confluence Age!
Golden Heart wrote:
06 Apr 2019
दिन-प्रतिदिन भक्ति मार्ग नीचे गिरता जाता है। तमोप्रधान बनता जाता है। हर चीज़ पहले सतोप्रधान होती है। भक्ति भी पहले सतोप्रधान थी। जब एक सत शिवबाबा को याद करते थे।
Day by day, the ‘Path of Devotion’ continues to degrade; it continues to become (more and more) ‘tamopradhan’. Everything is at first ‘satopradhan’. Devotion was ALSO ‘satopradhan’, at first, when you used to remember ONE True ShivBaba.”

A very DEEP & SUBTLE Divine intellect is ESSENTIAL in order to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND these SUBTLEST aspects of Spirituality in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Golden Heart » 06 May 2020

From viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2729#p54717

This has been adequately addressed subsequently, in posts below –
Golden Heart wrote:
06 Apr 2020
The revised printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis are heavily edited and curtailed, as compared to the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis; several mistakes/errors have also inadvertently crept in the printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis in subsequent revisions; and some alterations/modifications have also been incorporated, in good faith, by the instrumental souls who were given charge of the Murli department, based on their number-wise comprehension. However, as per Drama Plan, all this is perfectly appropriate, and new aspirants of Knowledge are still afforded exposure to the basic tenets of the Knowledge, which are essential for their spiritual progress – and they need not be concerned about the above process, since they may not have adequate time and disposition to involve themselves with same.
Golden Heart wrote:
06 Apr 2020
The initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis were produced, or generated, by a team - based on the actual original audio recordings of the ‘Sakar’ Murlis, spoken by Shiva through Brahma Baba, at that time, or soon after that time. However, ONLY the REQUIRED ESSENCE from the original audio recordings was captured, while producing/generating the initial/original ‘Sakar’ Murlis. Therefore, the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis are NOT, REPEAT NOT, a word-for-word presentation of the complete contents of the original audio recordings! In most cases, issues referring to particular individuals of the time, or particular incidents of the time, have been omitted altogether. Also, in some cases, a particular initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murli may even contain excerpts from two or more original audio recordings, which were considered to be appropriate, or essential, at the time.
Zorba the Greek wrote:
11 Apr 2020
ONLY the BK Organization has been officially vested with the authority to process the original spoken versions of Incorporeal God Father Shiva - by Shiva Himself, through his appointed Chariot of Brahma Baba (soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani) – and NO ONE ELSE has been vested with such authority by Bap-Dada (Incorporeal ShivBaba & Brahma Baba)! Therefore, Bap-Dada remain wholly and COMPLETELY responsible for any subsequent modifications, or alterations made to same by the BK Organization, throughout the Confluence Age!

The initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis contain ONLY the REQUIRED ESSENCE, which has been extracted from the original spoken versions – spoken by Shiva through the corporeal medium of Brahma Baba in mid/late nineteen-sixties – and, therefore, same are NOT a ‘word-for-word’ replication of the original spoken versions. Some initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis may consist of excerpts from one or more original spoken versions – (spoken on different dates) – as was considered to be appropriate by the instrumental team, duly assigned with this task, at the time.

The initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis were revised, thereafter, at intervals of approximately 5 years; but some modifications/alterations/additions/omissions/corrections/curtailments have been made in the most recent revisions, as compared to the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis – and there are many valid reasons for same.

Golden Heart wrote:
01 Apr 2020
Any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’ - will not be able to appreciate, or accept, the particular interpretations, of the VERY SAME point or points of Knowledge, of ANOTHER category, or sub-category – and there will always be CONFLICT between them, UNTIL the end of Confluence Age - and the intensity, or degree of conflict, will depend on VARIOUS factors.
Zorba the Greek wrote:
11 Apr 2020
Hence there is NO NEED for these categories of embodied Brahmin souls to be TOO MUCH concerned about the orgininal spoken versions, or even the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis – since they would be unnecessarily wasting their time and energy, in getting unduly involved with same, which could be better utilised in developing their soul-conscious stage, which would enable them to automatically appreciate the deeper and subtler aspects of Knowledge, as per their ACTUAL individual capabilities and requirements, as they progressively develop soul-consciousness with accurate remembrance of Incorporeal God Father Shiva!

ONLY embodied souls who CANNOT appreciate the FACT that - “ONLY the BK Organization has been officially vested with the authority to process the original spoken versions of Incorporeal God Father Shiva - by Shiva Himself” – who “remains wholly and COMPLETELY responsible for any subsequent modifications, or alterations made to same by the BK Organization, throughout the Confluence Age” – can ever doubt the Spiritual integrity of the BK Organization, (with regard to the propagation of the SMs & AVs for the benefit of newer aspirants of Knowledge) – having subsequently allowed their intellects to be indoctrinated with the FALSEHOODS of Baba Dixit, and his persistent DEFAMATION of the BK Organization (established by Incorporeal God Father Shiva) – after which they would be motivated to caste aspersions on the BK Organization, and harbour serious doubts about the Spiritual integrity of the instrumental administrative functionaries of the BK Organization – EVEN AFTER some of them may have REAL-EYEsed & ReCognized the FALSEHOODS of Baba Dixit subsequently!

This is the SUBTLEST INCOGNITO process which is utilised by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, within this EWD Play, to DIVORCE the intellects of such UNWARY embodied souls from Incorporeal God Father Shiva – and lead them “into the outer DARKNESS, where there is WEEPING, WAILING and GNASHING OF TEETH”!
Bible – New Testament – Matthew Ch 8 V-12: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=KJV
But the children of the kingdom (of Ravan) shall be cast out into OUTER DARKNESS: there shall be ‘weeping’ (and ‘wailing’) and ‘gnashing of teeth’! ! ! (WRATH, in all its manifestations, from the grossest, to the subtlest, to the ‘seed’ levels)!

NO MATTER, HOW MANY TIMES such TREACHEROUSLY DECEIVED embodied souls may later continue to read the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis, or EVEN hear the original audio recordings of same – they will NEVER be able to COMPREHEND them in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE – in CONSONANCE with the ORIGINAL, PURE INTENT of Incorporeal God Father Shiva – owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, DISTORTED, PERVERTED & INVERTED STONE intellects – UNTIL & UNLESS they FIRST begin to EXPERIENCE themselves as souls, and THEN endeavour to have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE!

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Re: Comments by xpbk on "SM & AV points for churning"

Post by Golden Heart » 19 May 2020

From viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2729#p54711


For the various circumstances and reasons - for the glaring differences in the comprehension of the respective posts of Golden Heart – (which are in consonance with the Original, Pure INTENT of Incorporeal God Father Shiva) - by other individuals - in the concerned topic ‘SM & AV points for churning’, in the Sub-Forum ‘Ideological Interpretation of the Yagya History: BK and PBK versions’ – viewers may review the earlier relevant posts in this topic, as follows:

viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54926
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54935
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54938
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54957


To briefly summarize, once again –

1. ONLY the BK Organization has been officially vested with due authority to process the original spoken versions of Incorporeal God Father Shiva - by Shiva Himself - through His appointed Chariot of Brahma Baba (soul of DLR); and through His duly appointed respective instrumental Heads of the Yagya, after Brahma Baba becomes ‘Avyakt’ in 1969.
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54957

2. The revised printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis have been heavily edited and curtailed, as compared to the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis; several mistakes/errors have also inadvertently crept in the printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis in subsequent revisions; and some alterations/modifications have also been incorporated, in good faith, by the instrumental souls who were given charge of the Murli department, based on their number-wise comprehension – ALL, PERFECTLY, as per Drama Plan.
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54938

3. Nevertheless, new aspirants of Knowledge are still afforded exposure to the basic tenets of the Knowledge, which are essential for their spiritual progress, and appropriate spiritual sustenance – and they need not be concerned about the above process, since they may not have adequate time and disposition to involve themselves with same – and it is DEFINITELY NOT REQUIRED for them to do so.
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54938

4. The Knowledge given by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, through the lotus mouth/intellect of Brahma Baba, is in the purest form, initially. But this SAME Knowledge is interpreted, or understood, DIFFERENTLY, by various categories, or sub-categories, of embodied souls, depending on their predestined roles within this EWD Play.
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54926

5. Any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’ - will not be able to appreciate, or accept, the particular interpretations, of the VERY SAME point or points of Knowledge, of ANOTHER category, or sub-category – and there will always be CONFLICT between them, UNTIL the end of Confluence Age - and the intensity, or degree of conflict, will depend on VARIOUS factors.
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54926

6. This is all the more reason why there cannot be ANY fruitful, or productive debate, or discussion of the VERY SAME, relevant point, or points of Knowledge, between any particular category, or sub-category - whether of the ‘Day of the Cycle’, or the ‘Night of the Cycle’.
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54935

“Hence there is NO NEED for the various categories of embodied Brahmin souls to be TOO MUCH concerned about the original spoken versions, or even the initial/original printed ‘Sakar’ Murlis – since they would be unnecessarily wasting their time and energy, in getting unduly involved with same, which could be better utilised in developing their soul-conscious stage, which would enable them to automatically appreciate the deeper and subtler aspects of Knowledge, as per their ACTUAL individual capabilities and requirements, as they progressively develop soul-consciousness with accurate remembrance of Incorporeal God Father Shiva!”
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54957

7. Since all these occurrences are perfectly and accurately ordained within this EWD Play, therefore, each category of embodied souls, should be allowed to play out their respective preordained roles, without undue interference or criticism from any of the other categories. However, such interference and criticism would definitely continue to play out, until all categories begin to appreciate these preordained occurrences and their deeper significance within this EWD Play, in the proper perspective!
viewtopic.php?f=37&p=55012#p54957

8. During Ravan Rajya, or ‘Night of the Cycle’ (from the beginning of Copper Age, onward), there are TEN MAJOR religious ideologies – among many other minor ones – and the concerned followers of EACH ONE of them, staunchly believe that ONLY their OWN religious ideology is the TRUE ONE, (or the most appropriate one), originating from God, and finally leading to God – while ALL the OTHERS are FALSE, being propagated by Satan, and finally leading to DAMNATION! These are portrayed in the picture of the ‘Kalpa Tree’ (from the end of the SINGLE Trunk, upwards - from the beginning of Copper Age, onward) – TWO being vertically split, within the central trunk of the Tree; and FOUR EACH being represented by the major Branches, on EITHER side of the Tree.
EXACTLY the SAME, plays out during the latter part of Confluence Age, (AFTER 1969 - when the corporeal role of Brahma Baba is completed), in a SUBTLE, BLUE-PRINT form; and this is portrayed, underground, within the Roots of the Tree – which is NOT VISIBLE, and which, therefore, requires a SUBTLE intellect to comprehend in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1217#p16827
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1217&start=45#p46831


Therefore - in CONCLUSION - the motto of EVERYONE, during Confluence Age, should be –
LIVE in Peace, and LET LIVE in Peace!” – AS MUCH AS IS PRACTICALLY FEASIBLE!

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