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You are DODGING questions, like your bodily guru, Veerendra Dev Dixit - being the TYPICAL 'sanskars' of Ravan Rajya!
In case you are unable to answer any question or you do not know, please say so clearly.
Unanswered questions are being repeated below, along with further questions -
1. If, according to you, in the Murlis, it is said that 'Subtle Region' is NOTHING - ON THE ONE HAND;
and that 'Subtle Region' is CREATED in the Confluence Age - ON THE OTHER HAND;
then what is the SIGNIFICANCE of saying that 'NOTHING' is 'CREATED'? How is 'NOTHING' 'CREATED', according to you? Would this also not imply that the Confluence Age is 'NOTHING', since 'NOTHING' is 'CREATED' in the Confluence Age? Or would you consider that your actual intentions are being TWISTED???
Brother, don't become clever by playing with words. Subtle Region is created with the narration of the knowledge, when the knowledge is narrated we have a realm where our thoughts could reside.
2. Have you experienced this 'Subtle Region' or 'subtle stage' yourself, and were you able to relate to the soul of BB or DLR in your 'Subtle Region' or his and your 'subtle stage'? Once your intellect becomes subtle, and you detach yourself from this world, should you be able to relate to the soul of BB or DLR, who is stabilized in his subtle stage, in your own subtle stage, or NOT??? If so, would you be able to EXPERIENCE a MORE PRONOUNCED and a MORE PROFOUND spiritual MEETING with the soul of BB or DLR, (as compared to what would be possible through CORPOREAL bodies), AT ANY TIME of your CHOICE, WHEREVER your physical body may be, or NOT??? And once such a stage is ACTUALLY ACHIEVED by you, (and not merely GUESSING or FIBBING about same), would you require to be a SLAVE to, or even DEPEND on a corporeal body anymore???
We cannot use our experiences as arguments. If I tell you I experience subtle stage and meet Brahma Baba face to face will you believe me. No, for you I am follower of Ravan. But even you, who are the true child of God, even if you share your experiences of the Subtle Region as proof of its existence, this cannot be any argument. People have visions of Hanuman, it does not mean a monkey like god exists.
3. When you consider Brahma Baba to be your Big Mother, what spiritual SUSTENANCE are you CURRENTLY receiving from your Big Mother, and how do you relate to your Big Mother on a day-to-day basis in your spiritual progress? This question has relevance since any mother is EXPECTED to sustain the Child in that specific relationship; and also in view of the fact that the Righteous Children EXPERIENCE spiritual sustenance from BOTH the 'soul-mates', Brahma Baba and Om Radhe-Mama, in 'Akar', TO DATE!
Also, what spiritual sustenance are you CURRENTLY receiving from your 'Jagadamba'/KDD, whom you believe to be the World Mother, on a day-to-day basis in your spiritual progress?
I suggest we don't make the discussion personal, I could share about my experience after you. For me, mother and Father are in one form of Ardhanareshvar.
4. How is Brahma Baba INVOKED into the bodies of Veerendra Dev Dixit and KDD, since you BELIEVE that he is a 'ghost' who has to be INVOKED in the body of DG also???
No, I don't believe he has to be invoked. I believe every soul is free. Selfish people invoke. In the Murli it is said that when a child meets its parents it does not need to be taught how to hug them. He runs to hug them. In the same way we don't need any special invitation for to go home. In the same way we don't need any invocation to go to our parents. Like the moon orbits the earth, in the same way child orbits its parent. It will automatically be attracted to them.
5. When you say, "BapDada also tours the children", are you implying that ALL the THREE souls, viz.,
Shiva, Brahma Baba as well as -Virendra Dev Dixit - ALL THREE TOGETHER tour the children? Does any child come to know or 'sense' when they have 'toured' that particular child? Did you have such an EXPERIENCE so far?
When THESE THREE SPECIFIC SOULS ARE TOURING the children AT WILL, and doing spiritual service for world transformation, should not they be considered to be the REAL Trimurti, operating through the corporeal body of -Virendra Dev Dixit? Then why is the Trimurti of PBKs projected as -Virendra Dev Dixit, KDD and Sr V ???
How do the PBKs manage to 'SHOOT DOWN' the souls of Shiva and Brahma Baba COMPLETELY???
Yes, three of them tour, but do they tour together or separately I don't know. They cannot be said Trimurti, because Trimurti means three murtis. Three corporeal figures. Shiv is not one of the Trimurti. He does not have his own body. He is creator of the Trimurti. Come on, brother, have you, in your attempt to argue, even forgotten the basic knowledge?
6. Since you believe DLR still has accounts to settle, does -Virendra Dev Dixit also have accounts to settle? And what is the DIFFERENCE between them?
And what about Shiva, does He also have accounts to settle? If not, then why is he TIED DOWN in the BONDAGE of Drama, and why is he obligated to serve the children?
(This question regarding Shiva, has cropped up ONLY because the PBKs claim that the soul of DLR, who has been declared to have achieved the 'sampuran karmateet avastha' or the COMPLETE ANGELIC STAGE, is considered by them to still have accounts to settle)!
Certainly all souls have accounts to settle. Shiva is said to be bound by the drama, but not by accounts with souls. He has to enter a body, but he does not have account with the soul of that body.
7. When you say, "When Brahma Baba enters the Father he gets purified, but when he enters the children he gets dirtied", - which Father are you referring to? Only Shiva, only -Virendra Dev Dixit or BOTH TOGETHER?
If ONLY Shiva - how does an embodied soul with a subtle body enter the POINT Shiv?
If ONLY -Virendra Dev Dixit - How can an impure embodied soul in an impure corporeal body, -Virendra Dev Dixit, PURIFY a relatively pure embodied soul in a relatively pure subtle body?
If BOTH TOGETHER - the situation gets even more CORRUPTED, CONFOUNDED and PERPLEXING???
Both, because, Brahma Baba is not abhogta, he is not above the color of the company, he gets colored by the color of the company of the soul of Prajapita. Both, because we believe that Shiv and Shankar become one, the soul of Prajapita reaches stage that is Bap Samaan.
If so, does he ENTER any 'Kumaris' or 'pure virgins', according to the concept propagated by PBKs
Brother, you are again mixing something that has come in the Murlis, with something that has come in the clarifications. Please, at least be a firm BK and accept whatever is there in the Murlis, or would you not even do this. Yes, it is true that the PBKs have propagated this point about non entering in a pure kanya, because the BKs have erased it. How can the common BK know it when it has been cut from the Murlis. You have faith in the Murlis, have you not?
I don't know whom they tour, but I think non entering in a kanya refers to the permanent Chariot. He does not enter in a permanent form, he is not revealed to the world in the form of a kumari. Because if God would reveal himself in the world in the form of a kumari, viscous men will stick to her and bring her down. God is famous to be in the form of a man.
In his task of the purifier he does not enter a pure virgin. In his task of Father, teacher and Satguru he is not in a pure virgin. In his task through which we benefit he is not in a pure virgin. That's why even if you think by associating with BKs whom possibly BapDada tours, you will gain something, you will not.
It is also said that God has two children - Brahma and Shankar. Maybe he enters only them. It is also said that he has only one child. Maybe he comes only in one. Possibly he could come in 108 of the Rudramala, because they are king like children and Baba teaches Raja Yoga. These king like children could possibly be in a body of a pure kumari, but the sankars of the soul are like of a male.
If there has been any upliftment we can say that it has been BapDada who has done the service, but we can only say afterwards.
Please, note this is a topic for questions to BKs. This is where you answer, not where you ask. In your inability to answer you have started to defend yourself with the best strategy of changing the mode from answering to questioning. But shortcomings become obvious not only from the answers given, but from the questions put.
: “ Please, note this is a topic for questions to BKs.
: This topic, ‘Questions for BKs’, was started by ‘new knowledge’ on ‘27 Jul 08’, and should strictly not be in this sub-forum, ‘For BKs - to discuss BK experiences’. There are several such irregularities which exist in various sub-forums on this site, which are not considered worth looking into, at this stage, owing to their insignificance, and also for want of resources and time. We could consider shifting this topic to ‘Questioning, Discussing & Debating’ sub-forum, if so deemed necessary. Likewise, we may also consider modifying the topic name to ‘Interactive Questions between BKs & PBKs’, if considered appropriate - if members choose to be more sensitive to these petty issues, rather than focusing their energies on the actual ongoing interactive discussions.
: “ This is where you answer, not where you ask.
: The directive, by itself, is outside the jurisdiction of any ordinary member of this forum. However, the questions posed are so designed, so as to have a subtle answer embodied within, which would be perceived only by specific concerned viewers, who have the required intelligence to do so, and which would serve as a catalyst to facilitate the churning process.
: “ In your inability to answer you have started to defend yourself with the best strategy of changing the mode from answering to questioning.
: Those with limited intellects would only ‘see’ the questions, while those with unlimited intellects would be able to ‘perceive’ the answers embodied within the questions. A defensive mechanism would come into play when concerned individuals are vigorously affiliated to any particular group which has a conflict with another. Whereas the dispassionate strategy employed here has the purpose and aim to assist each conflicting group to become aware of their relative positions, for their very own benefit; and individuals employing such strategy do not require such defensive mechanism, since they are not associated with any of the conflicting groups, themselves.
: “ But shortcomings become obvious not only from the answers given, but from the questions made.
: Individuals with PARTICULAR predispositions are naturally expected to draw such conclusions. These answers and questions are NOT SPECIFICALLY MEANT for such individuals, who should LEARN to ignore same if they find them to be upalatable, but they are MEANT for specific individuals with a DIFFERENT intellectual disposition and vision.
: “ don't become clever by playing with words
: Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba or God, DOES play with words TACTFULLY
, in order to drive a particular point home, into the Righteous Children, in the POSITIVE sense
, in the process of establishing RamRajya, through His ‘mukrar-rath’ – REAL Prajapita Brahma, REAL Adi Dev, REAL Adam, BB or soul of DLR.
SIMULTANEOUSLY, the NEGATIVE ENERGY or NESCIENCE, symbolically represented by Ravan or Maya, MASQUERADING as APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan – (soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit, implying that he is the ‘Supreme Soul’ among all embodied souls, thus carrying out the ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap) - MASQUERADING as APPARENT ‘Prajapita Brahma’, APPARENT ‘Shankar’, APPARENT ‘Krishna’, APPARENT ‘Narayan’, etc., etc., etc., – ALSO plays with words TREACHEROUSLY
, in order to drive a particular point home, in to the Unrighteous children, in the NEGATIVE sense
, being instrumental to establish Ravan Rajya.
: “ Subtle Region is created with the narration of The Knowledge, when The Knowledge is narrated we have a realm where our thoughts could reside
: By this appropriate definition, the subtle statement that
= 'NOTHING' is 'CREATED' in the Confluence Age
has relevance, since NO THING (material object) is created in Subtle Region! EVERY THING or EVERY MATTER has to be understood in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE. Those who are able to sense the subtlety within the statement, would not get offended by the statement, but perceive the deeper significance of same.
Like = WHAT IS MIND? – NO MATTER; WHAT IS MATTER? – NEVER MIND
The ‘mukrar-rath’ of NESCIENCE or Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit, has indeed provided an appropriate definition of the Subtle Region, but what has been kept treacherously VEILED, is that in the Subtle Region, BOTH the POSITIVE as well as NEGATIVE thought patterns or energies reside – the POSITIVE being regenerated & sustained
by REAL ShivBaba through His ‘mukrar-rath’, DLR; and the NEGATIVE being regenerated & sustained
by APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’ through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit!
Since these CREATED corporeal & subtle spheres, INDEED represent THE MATRIX
, these aspects have been projected allegorically, in the movie by that name, fairly well, as per Drama Plan. Neo projects the POSITIVE personality or energy, while his counter-part, Agent Smith, projects the NEGATIVE personality or energy. It is interesting to note that the two subsequent sequels to this movie, contain the development of the capabilities of EACH personality, which are analogical to the development of the capabilities of EACH of the KEY personalities of the souls of DLR & -Virendra Dev Dixit, – from ‘Sakar’ to ‘Akar’ to ‘Nirakar’ - within this EWD, or the EVIDENT MATRIX
. The third sequel is also currently in the making, and is expected to be released in the near future. It is also interesting to note the particular SUBTLE STRATEGY employed by Neo, to finally OVERCOME the INCREASING MIGHT of Agent Smith, towards the end of the second sequel of the movie. This would give a definite insight to concerned souls as to the exact technique to be finally employed to deal effectively with the NEGATIVE ENERGY, and dissipate it COMPLETELY
: “ We cannot use our experiences as arguments.
: TRUE Spiritual Knowledge is specifically designed to be put in actual practice, to eventually afford definite appropriate Spiritual Experiences to the sincere aspirants, which could be perceived and appreciated by others, by the manner in which such Knowledge is appropriately disseminated by such aspirants; but such perception and appreciation by others would still depend on their own individual spiritual stage at any given point of time, which would also be number-wise. Therefore TRUE
Spiritual Aspirants who are involved with TRUE
Spiritual Knowledge, which has been translated into their own individual appropriate Spiritual Experiences, although still number-wise
, would not indulge in needless debates or arguments at all
, being fully aware that appropriate perception and appreciation by others, of such appropriate Spiritual Experiences through the appropriate dissemination of Knowledge, would still depend on their own individual spiritual stage at any given point of time, which would also be number-wise. The principal aim of TRUE Spiritual Aspirants would be to simply state or declare their point of view, in accordance with their appropriate Spiritual Experiences, for the benefit of ONLY CONCERNED aspirants
; and would not be specifically or intentionally aimed to deride or insult those who choose to have a different viewpoint or perspective, although such individuals would naturally take offense if they happen to inadvertently expose themselves to such views, which factor still remains within their own voluntary control.
: “ People have visions of Hanuman, it does not mean a monkey like god exists.
: Although visions may be considered to be totally like an illusion, from a certain perspective, such visions originate, and have a definite link to the relative reality, within the relative realm of this EWD, which by itself
, could be considered to be a ‘VISION’, from the different perspective of the more elevated platform of ‘soul-consciousness’. The TRUE
Knowledge assists individuals to CORRECTLY COMPREHEND
such visions in their PROPER PERSPECTIVE
, within the relative realm of this EWD. For the Righteous Children, who are principally affiliated to the ‘Day of the Cycle’, ‘Hanuman’ would represent REAL Prajapita Brahma, REAL Adi Dev, REAL Adam, BB or soul of DLR, being the ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL ShivBaba or God; WHEREAS
, for the Unrighteous children, who are principally affiliated to the ‘Night of the Cycle’, ‘Hanuman’ would represent APPARENT ‘Prajapita Brahma’, APPARENT ‘Adi Dev’, APPARENT ‘Adam’, APPARENT ‘Shankar’ or soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit, being the ‘mukrar-rath’ of APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’ or Ravan or the COLLECTIVE ENERGY of NESCIENCE (the soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit being the COUNTER-PART of the soul of DLR). Thus, although EACH DIFFERENT group of souls would have the SAME ‘VISION’ of the SAME ‘Hanuman’, the comprehensive perceptions of EACH group would DIFFER, depending on their particular governing affiliation to their principal roles in the appropriate Semi-Circle of the Cycle, and EACH group would naturally consider themselves to be PRIMARY, and the other to be SECONDARY
: “ For me, mother and Father are in one form of Ardhanareshvar.
: The Spiritual, ‘Parlokik’ Mother AS WELL AS
Father, is ONLY ONE
Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba or God, who has BOTH the Feminine AS WELL AS
Masculine characteristics INHERENT within His COMPLETE, COMBINED, COMPOSITE MALE-FEMALE Personality - ONLY JUST as a SOUL
- without ANY reference, connection, combination or link to/with any corporeal or subtle body of ANY embodied soul. Hence, EVEN ONLY JUST AS A SOUL
, He is remembered as Mother AS WELL AS
Father - JUST by HIMSELF
, ONLY AS A SOUL
- since He is ESSENTIALLY COMPOSED of BOTH the Feminine AS WELL AS
Masculine ‘sanskars’, in a PERFECTLY BALANCED FORM, ETERNALLY.
ONLY when an individual soul ALSO regains COMPLETE
soul-consciousness, LIKE Him
, through His ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance, (WITHOUT ANY intermediary corporeal or subtle form, in between
), is it possible for the individual soul to relate DIRECTLY
to the Supreme Soul or God, and interact with Him and communicate with Him, through the SINGULAR medium of THOUGHT energy ALONE, when BOTH of them are DYNAMICALLY ACTIVE, (which is NOT POSSIBLE, if EITHER of them is DYNAMICALLY INACTIVE
). Supreme Soul or God is dynamically inactive or ‘ASLEEP’ during G A and S A, when He is RESTING or AT REST, when no communication is possible with Him, even through the medium of thought energy
, EITHER WAY
; He is partially ACTIVE during C A and I A, when He is instrumental to carry out His functions of facilitating the provision of the fruits, of efforts of DEVOTION, to His devotees
; but although He is NOT AT REST during this period, no EFFECTIVE communication is possible with Him, through the medium of thought energy ALONE, since ALL the embodied souls on the corporeal sphere are body-conscious, having totally LOST the ABILITY to communicate through the medium of thought energy ALONE
. ONLY in the Confluence Age, when the Supreme Soul is ALSO DYNAMICALLY ACTIVE, and the individual soul is ALSO DYNAMICALLY ACTIVE, is it possible to communicate DIRECTLY with Him, EFFECTIVELY, through the medium of though energy ALONE.
The LIMITED understanding
, that it is NOT POSSIBLE to communicate with the Supreme Soul in the Soul World or World of Souls, UNLESS He ALSO comes into a corporeal body, is ONLY RELATIVE
, and refers to the conditions when the individual soul is EITHER unable to have such effective DIRECT communication owing to the restriction of own body-consciousness, OR when the Supreme Soul Himself is DYNAMICALLY INACTIVE or in a state of REST, during G A and S A, when His involvement is NOT REQUIRED
. This LIMITATION, in DIRECT communication, DOES NOT EXIST
when BOTH of them are DYNAMICALLY ACTIVE, which occurs to the FULLEST POSSIBLE EXTENT
, ONLY for a short duration at the VERY END of the Confluence Age, when such communication is OBVIOUSLY ESSENTIAL for the Supreme Soul to GUIDE ALL souls, who have been COLLECTIVELY disembodied, back to the World of Souls. Without such DIRECT communication between the Supreme Soul and individual disembodied souls, this function cannot be executed.
For better understanding of these subtlest aspects of spirituality the following analogies would be of assistance to concerned souls.
1. On the corporeal sphere, it is possible to have a meaningful conversation with another embodied soul, ONLY when that soul is 'NOT SLEEPING' or 'NOT TAKING REST', but is FULLY AWAKE and ACTIVE, and able to respond to the other; and this DOES NOT MEAN that the soul who is JUST SLEEPING is ‘DEAD’ or is ‘NON-LIVING’
2. Similarly, it is possible to have a conversation with another, over mobile phones, only when BOTH the mobile phones are ON; if either of the mobile phones is OFF, or if the BATTERY of one of the mobile phones is ‘DEAD’, it would not be possible to have a conversation, UNTIL the ‘BATTERY’ is re-charged, and BOTH the mobile phones are ON.
Thus, the Supreme Soul, Himself, is PRIMARILY ‘Ardhanareshvar’, by virtue of having BOTH the Feminine AS WELL AS
Masculine characteristics, in a PERFECTLY BALANCED FORM - ONLY JUST as a SOUL
– and hence He is ACTUALLY
remembered as Mother AS WELL AS
Father – ON this HIGHEST SPIRITUAL PLANE
, when ALL souls become fully body-conscious, SINCE it is not possible to relate to, or communicate with, souls - DIRECTLY, as souls
- God has to take the support of His ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR, and FIRST give him spiritual re-birth as His VERY FIRST CHILD DIRECTLY
, (through OWN MOUTH of the soul of DLR
), AS WELL AS ADOPT him as his spiritual WIFE, DIRECTLY
, (through OWN MOUTH of the soul of DLR
), to re-create the FIRST spiritual Child THROUGH him
, Om Radhe, and then progressively the other Righteous Children, number-wise (through the VERY SAME mouth/intellect of the soul of DLR – in ‘Sakar’ until 1969, and in ‘Akar’ to date
). When the soul of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR achieves his COMPLETE ‘Avyakt’ ANGELIC stage, he cannot be separated from Supreme Soul or God EVEN for ONE MOMENT, and they become COMBINED as ‘BapDada’ or ‘Ardhanareshvar’, Supreme Soul Shiva being the ‘Parlokik’ Father and Brahma Baba being the ‘Alokik’ Mother – and God is also remembered as Mother-Father on this secondary spiritual level
, in one form of Ardhanareshvar
– the COMPLETE ANGELIC SUBTLE form of Brahma Baba
– by the Righteous Children, who are able to develop their own subtle stage of consciousness, through ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of REAL ShivBaba or God
Souls who are not able to develop their subtle stage of consciousness, (and hence are NOT ABLE to relate to the soul of Brahma Baba in his COMPLETE ANGELIC SUBTLE form
), get IRRESISTABLY ATTRACTED to the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED REVERSED advanced –knowledge, (by virtue of their governing ‘sanskars’, and designated roles within this EWD
), being the MISINTERPRETATIONS & MISREPRESENTATIONS, (of the VERY SAME Pure Versions in the SMs and AVs spoken by REAL ShivBaba or God through His ‘mukrar-rath’ of the soul of DLR
, to be in consonance with the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Tamopradhan Bhakti’ or DEGRADED DEVOTION
), of Ravan or Maya through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit, MASQUERADING as APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’, APPARENT ‘Prajapita Brahma’ and APPARENT ‘Shankar’, who TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND followers, the PBKs, into DELUSIVELY believing that BOTH the Supreme Soul Shiva, as well as the soul of Brahma Baba are within the body of the soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit, enacting the role of ‘Shankar’, and are DECEPTIVELY TRICKED into regarding this combination as ‘Mother-Father’ (on this tertiary spiritual level
), in one form of Ardhanareshvar. Thus the Unrighteous children, who are NOT ABLE to develop their own subtle stage of consciousness, owing to their INACCURATE & ADULTERATED remembrance of APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’, APPARENT ‘Ram’ or Ravan, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, being the soul of -Virendra Dev Dixit, become instrumental to carry out the ‘shooting’ of Ravan Rajya in the Confluence Age, WITHOUT BEING AWARE OF THIS ACTUAL SUBTLEST FACT
: “ In the Murli it is said that when a child meets its parents it does not need to be taught how to hug them. He runs to hug them. ...
Like the moon orbits the earth, in the same way child orbits its parent. It will automatically be attracted to them.
: A human ‘child’ who does NOT KNOW or has FORGOTTEN the TRUE parents COMPLETELY, would be considered to be an ORPHAN. If such a ‘child’ is TREACHEROUSLY TRAINED over a PROLONGED PERIOD of time into DELUSIVELY BELIEVING that a ‘Donkey’ is the ‘father’, and a ‘Monkey’ is the ‘mother’, such a ‘human’ child could be EVENTUALLY brain-washed into believing same to be true
, and would then DEFINITELY run to hug them, and would be automatically attracted to them, UNTIL the ‘child’ GROWS UP
, and becomes sufficiently SENSIBLE
-Cognize that (s)he was being taken for a HOLY RIDE ALL ALONG
- and the REAL Father & Mother are DIFFERENT, from whom (s)he could receive the TRUE inheritance.
Ravan or Maya CRAFTILY utilizes this principle to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY BELIEVING that the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit, and the APPARENT or FALSE ‘Jagadamba’, KDD-S, are their father & mother; when, IN FACT, the REAL Spiritual Father-Mother of ALL embodied human souls is REAL ShivBaba or God, as the ‘Parlokik’ PARENT (on the ‘Nirakari’ Spiritual level
) & and REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR, as the ‘Alokik’ Parent (on the ‘Akari’ Spiritual level
); & Brahma Baba and Saraswati Mama or ‘Mahalakshmi’, as the ‘Lokik’ Parents (on the ‘Sakari’ Spiritual level
: “ Brahma Baba is not abhogta, he is not above the color of the company, he gets colored by the color of the soul of Prajapita. Both, because we believe that Shiv and Shankar become one, the soul of Prajapita reaches stage that is Bap Samaan.
: Brahma Baba is not ‘abhogta’; NO embodied soul can be considered to be ‘abhogta’
. ONLY INCORPOREAL Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba or God is ‘abhogta’; and Brahma Baba gets COLOURED by the SPIRITUAL COMPANY of REAL ShivBaba or God, (when God uses his body as His ‘mukrar-rath’
- FIRST in ‘Sakar’ until 1969, and then in ‘Akar’, to date
), to become REAL Prajapita Brahma, REAL Adi Dev & REAL Adam – the PEAK CREAM of ENTIRE HUMANITY
WHEREAS, the soul of APPARENT ‘Prajapita Brahma’, APPARENT ‘Adi Dev’, APPARENT ‘Adam’ or APPARENT ‘Shankar’, (who is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan
), gets coloured by the VICIOUS COMPANY of Ravan or Maya, (MASQUERADING as APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’ and APPARENT ‘Ram’
), through CONSTANT exposure to the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Tamopradhan Bhakti’ or DEGRADED DEVOTION (which is the ‘samagri’ or paraphernalia of Ravan
), which are used to CORRUPT & ADULTERATE every Pure Version in the SMs and AVs, (originally spoken by God, through His ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR
), to be instrumental to carry out the 'shooting' of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age.
REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR has ALREADY become a COMPLETE PURE ANGEL in 1969, and the two of them CANNOT BE SEPARATED from each other EVEN FOR ONE MOMENT
(and this COMBINATION of ‘BapDada’, also instrumental to carry out the functions of REAL Shankar, at the end of Confluence Age
, has been ERRONEOUSLY remembered in ‘Tamopradhan Bhakti’ or DEGRADED DEVOTION, as ‘Shiv-Shankar’, implying that Shiv and Shankar are ONE – the ‘shooting’ of which is carried out by Ravan or Maya, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit, specifically in the latter part of Confluence Age
FURTHERMORE, when PBKs "believe that Shiv and Shankar become one, the soul of Prajapita reaches stage that is Bap Samaan
", OBVIOUSLY Shiv is NOT REQUIRED to become LIKE 'Shankar', so 'Shankar' would have to become LIKE Shiv!
If the soul of (APPARENT) 'Prajapita' reaches the stage of being Shiv 'Bap-Samaan', he too would then be COMPLETELY soul-conscious, or JUST a POINT, AT THAT TIME
! Obviously, such a stage is STILL NOT REACHED by him, as otherwise their belief that when one becomes COMPLETE, ALL have to become COMPLETE, would NOT HOLD GOOD! How can an impure embodied soul in an impure corporeal body, -Virendra Dev Dixit, PURIFY or 'COLOUR' a relatively pure embodied soul in a relatively pure subtle body?
IT SHOULD, CLEARLY, BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!
So the core questions remain unanswered or UNRESOLVED
, or are unintentionally or craftily DODGED by the PBKs and their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, as usual!!!
: “ Trimurti means three murtis. Three corporeal figures. Shiv is not one of the Trimurti. He does not have his own body. He is creator of the Trimurti.
: ‘Trimurti’ as ‘three corporeal figures’ is the ‘kindergarten’ comprehension of body-conscious souls with ‘baby intellects’
. Since the BLIND PBKs are DELUSIVELY made to believe, that BB or soul of DLR, STILL CONTINUES
to have a ‘baby-intellect’, (EVEN AFTER he becomes a ‘Karmateet Avyakt Farishta’ or a COMPLETE PURE ANGEL
- being the FRUIT of his efforts, due to his HIGHEST PROFICIENCY in the Knowledge
), by Ravan or Maya, through their ‘maha-murkh’ bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, ALL of them
, have INADVERTENTLY FROZEN or LOCKED their OWN INTELLECTS, by THEMSELVES
, at the ‘BABY’ level, by the SHEER POTENCY of this DELUSIVE BELIEF
; and have further CORRUPTED their ‘INNOCENT or IGNORANT’ comprehension, by their ‘maka-murkhta’ or RANK STUPIDITY of MISINTERPRETING & MISREPRESENTING every Pure Version in the SMs and AVs, (originally spoken by REAL ShivBaba or God, through REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR
), to be in consonance with the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Tamopradhan Bhakti’ or DEGRADED DEVOTION - thus TOTALLY INVERTING their INTELLECTS
, AS WELL
The ‘basic’ Knowledge speaks of Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba or God being LIKE a ‘thumb’ or LIKE a ‘flame’, INITIALLY
; and when the LATER
CORRECT CONCEPT of God, being ACTUALLY a POINT SOURCE of SPRITITUAL LIGHT ENERGY
, is assimilated, comprehended and ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED
, the question of remembering the EARLIER
‘basic’ CONCEPTS, (which were used for a certain DEFINITE PURPOSE, which has since been SERVED, and which have now become OBSOLETE
), WOULD NOT ARISE
- (but ONLY for those whose INTELLECTS have been progressively PURIFIED since THAT TIME
Although, it is by now well understood that the Creator is DIFFERENT from the Creation, and the Creation CANNOT be the Creator, (and mixing up the TWO would make one LIABLE to being accused of INDULGING in ADULTERATION & CORRUPTION
, one should not hesitate to clearly delineate the MORE ACCURATE CONCEPTS, based on ACTUAL SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES (afforded to souls through progressive purification of the INTELLECT, achieved through ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of REAL ShivBaba or God
When the Mind of a ‘living human soul’ is 'brain-washed' into believing (through hypnotism
) that (s)he is within the body of a ‘Donkey’, and has been THINKING or BELIEVING that (s)he is INDEED a ‘Donkey’
, (rather than a soul
), OVER a PROLONGED PERIOD of TIME, it stands to logical reason, that such an individual, with such a bent of mind, would consider THREE CORPOREAL FIGURES of a ‘Donkey’
, to represent the ‘Trimurti’ (when her/his Mind is first exposed to the concept of the ‘Trimurti’
When the SAME
Mind of a ‘living human soul’ is 'brain-washed' into believing (through PROLONGED ‘hypnotism’ of Ravan or Maya
) that (s)he is an EMBODIED CORPOREAL ‘Human Being’, and has been THINKING or BELIEVING that (s)he is INDEED a ‘Human Body’, (rather than a soul
), OVER a PROLONGED PERIOD of TIME, it AGAIN stands to logical reason, that such an individual, with such a bent of mind, would consider THREE CORPOREAL FIGURES of a ‘Human Body’
, to represent the ‘Trimurti’ (when her/his Mind is first exposed to the concept of the ‘Trimurti’
When the VERY SAME
Mind of a ‘living human soul’ is REFRESHED with the UNDERSTANDING, (through ACCURATE Knowledge from REAL ShivBaba or God
), that ALTHOUGH (s)he has been within the body of a ‘Human Being’, (for a PROLONGED PERIOD of TIME
), and DELUSIVELY THINKS or BELIEVES that (s)he is INDEED a ‘Human Body’, (rather than a soul
), (s)he should NOW MAKE EFFORTS to FORGET the body, and CONSIDER her/him self as a SOUL, (being her/his ACTUAL REAL SELF
) - it ONCE AGAIN stands to logical reason, that such an individual, with such an ENLIGHTENED state of mind, would EXPERIENCE THREE SPIRITUAL FIGURES of SOULS, (rather than three corporeal figures), to represent the ‘Trimurti’
(when her/his Mind ACTUALLY EXPERIENCES the ACCURATE concept of the REAL ‘Trimurti’
For ADVANCED COMPREHENSION of ORIGINAL, ETERNAL, UNADULTERARED, REAL ‘Trimurti’, concerned viewers may view posts -
BKWSU SM, Revised 02.02.2016 wrote: अब इस समय इस तन में दो मूर्ति हैं। ब्रह्मा की आत्मा और शिव परम आत्मा। इस समय दो मूर्ति इकट्ठी हैं - ब्रह्मा और शिव। शंकर तो कभी पार्ट में आता नहीं। बाकी विष्णु सतयुग में है। अभी तुम ब्राह्मण सो देवता बनेंगे। हम सो का अर्थ वास्तव में यह है। उन्होंने कह दिया है - आत्मा सो परमात्मा। परमात्मा सो आत्मा। कितना फ़र्क है। रावण के आने से ही रावण की मत शुरू हो गई।
Now, AT THIS TIME, there are two IMAGES ('MURTIS') in THIS body. There is the soul of Brahma and the Supreme Soul, Shiv. AT THIS TIME two IMAGES ('MURTIS') are TOGETHER - Brahma and Shiva. Shankar NEVER comes to play a part, while Vishnu exists in the Golden Age. You are now Brahmins and you then become deities. In fact, this is the meaning of “Hum so, so hum”. They have said that a soul is the Supreme Soul and that the Supreme Soul is a soul. There is so much DIFFERENCE! Ravan’s dictates begin as soon as he comes.
In the above Version Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, is referred to as an IMAGE or 'MURTI', and AS ONE of the 'MURTIS', ONLY as a SOUL
, in the corporeal body of the SECOND 'MURTI'
of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR - CLEARLY & EXPLICITLY. Also it is CLEARLY & EXPLICITLY stated that Shankar NEVER comes to play a part or role on this corporeal sphere
. These Versions would remain beyond the comprehension and understanding of the 'maha-murkh' BLIND PBKs, and their EQUALLY 'maha-murkh' bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, who is the 'mukrar-rath' of Ravan or Maya, instrumental to carry out the 'shooting' of HiranyaKashyap and Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age!
: “ you are again mixing something that has come in the Murlis, with something that has come in the clarifications.
: The CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED so-called
‘clarifications’ have DEFINITELY emerged from the Pure Versions in the SMs and AVs, (originally spoken by God, through His ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR
), which have been MISINTERPRETED & MISREPRESENTED to be in consonance with the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Tamopradhan Bhakti’ or DEGRADED DEVOTION – and EVIDENTLY constitute an obnoxious ‘MIXTURE’, being administered to the INVERTED INTELLECTS of the PBKs, by their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, who is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, instrumental to carry out the ‘shooting’ of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age. Hence such OBNOXIOUS MIXING
is DEFINITELY, perfectly in accordance with Drama Plan – which can be understood in the proper perspective, ONLY by the concerned souls.
: “ How can the common BK know it when it has been cut from the Murlis. You have faith in the Murlis, have you not?
: It is evident that the PBKs DO NOT have FAITH
in the Murlis, since they have been made extremely SUSPICIOUS about the contents of same, after having been TREACHEROUSLY cautioned that they have been severely manipulated by the BKs. This is the reason, why PBKs choose to pay scant regard to the INNUMERABLE points being highlighted on this forum, which CLEARLY GO AGAINST
their core ideology and belief system. The point about ‘non-entering in a pure virgin’, has been extensively clarified on this forum, several times, in several posts, like so MANY OTHER ‘controversial’ POINTS AS WELL
- to which the PBKs pay scant regard, and ARROGANTLY refuse to take into consideration, and choose to simply continue with their SAME OLD DISTORTED, CORRUPTED & PERVERTED rhetoric. How can a COMMON PBK come to know about these REAL FACTS, UNLESS they themselves carry out an EXTENSIVE DEEPER STUDY of the SMs and AVs, in DEPTH, by also considering the counter-viewpoints being presented on this forum? The bulk of the PBKs have no other recourse but to BLINDLY believe the arbitrary GARBAGE ‘clarifications’ emanating from the BOGUS mouth of their bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, since they neither would have the inclination, nor the drive to carry out an independent deeper study, by themselves, owing to SEVERAL FACTORS, some of which are even beyond their control
The PBKs have been CONDITIONED to LOSE FAITH in the Murlis, and have been made extremely SUSPICIOUS about the contents of same, to SUCH a GROSS EXTENT
, that they have become COMPLETELY BLINDED to SUCH a RIDICULOUS EXTENT
, that they CANNOT even PERCEIVE that God Himself is STILL coming to MEET the Righteous Children through His ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, to date!
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: “ It is also said that he has only one child. Maybe he comes only in one.
: Supreme Father Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God has ONLY ONE ‘murabbi bachha’ or EXCLUSIVELY BELOVED Child – REAL Prajapita Brahma, BB or soul of DLR
, who is His ‘mukrar-rath’, and this has been EXPLICITLY DECLARED by God in SEVERAL Versions of SMs and AVs
, some of which have already been posted earlier on this forum, two of which may be viewed below -
: “ if God would reveal himself in the world in the form of a Kumari, vicious men will stick to her and bring her down. ... Possibly he could come in 108 of the Rudramala, because they are king like children and Baba teaches Raja Yoga. These king like children could possibly be in a body of a pure Kumari, but the sankars of the soul are like of a male.
: Owing to their CORRUPTED & INVERTED
INTELLECTS, the PBKs OBVIOUSLY CANNOT PERCEIVE
the EVIDENT CONTRADICTIONS
in their own ASSUMPTIONS or DELUSIVE BELIEFS
The ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit, MASQERADING as APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’, APPARENT ‘Ram’, APPARENT ‘Prajapita Brahma’, APPARENT ‘Shankar’, etc., himself displays
his VICIOUS NATURE by having physical sexual intercourse with innumerable ‘mothers’ and ‘kanyas’, including their so-called ‘Jagadamba’, and BRINGS them DOWN, and sends them BACK into 'VAISHALAYA' or BROTHEL or HOUSE of PROSTITUTION
(after having TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED them into DELUSIVELY BELIEVING that by having such physical sexual intercourse with him, in the remembrance of APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’
) they would become ‘TRUE’ ‘PARVATIS’, and ‘TRUE’ ‘JAGADAMBAS’
, after having been FREED from the VICE of LUST, through this CARNAL process
, and be able to stay in STEADFAST remembrance of APPARENT ‘ShivBaba’
Many of these DESPERATE VICTIMS
of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit, including their so-called ‘Jagadamba, KDD-S, have had to go back to ‘VAISHALAYA’ or BROTHEL, and have been FORCED or COMPELLED to get married
, owing to their DIRE
circumstances, and have found themselves MORE VICIOUSLY TRAPPED in the VICE of LUST
, after the above TREACHEROUS & DECEPTIVE physical sexual relationships with the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit!!!
If the PBKs can ACCEPT or BELIEVE that God “could come in 108 of the Rudramala, because they are king-like children and Baba teaches Raja Yoga. These king like-children could possibly be in a body of a pure Kumari, but the sankars of the soul are like of a male
”, then there should not be any logical reason for them to VIGOROUSLY DECLINE to ACCEPT or BELIEVE that God could also come in the ‘king-like child of a pure Kumari, whose sanskars of the soul are like that of a male
’, in the SPECIFIC case of Dadi Gulzar!!! (Since God only uses the body of DG sparingly and infrequently, ONLY to uplift the concerned Children, and that too, not in ‘Sakar’, but only in ‘Avyakt’
– using the corporeal body of DG, only as an instrument, and NOT as His ‘mukrar-rath’
, which STILL CONTINUES to be the 'body' of the VERY SAME SOUL of DLR
, EVEN after he becomes ‘Avyakt’, after 1969