Dear Shivsenabhai,shivsena wrote:The PBKs are trying to reveal bindi ShivBaba in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit. Now my dillemma is this, how is going to be done in future and does bindi ShivBaba really need to be glorified? Supreme Soul Shiva has never experienced any body-consciousness in the full cycle of 84 births in 5000 years, so how can He be revealed through a body? Or does Father Ram needs revelation and glorification in the end as he reaches the 100% incorporeal stage when ShivBap and Rambap merge together and become living ShivBaba!
I have been watching over this thread, and a few others recently by you, to get an idea of your views. Fully appreciate your efforts for the unlimited understanding.
In summary, are you suggesting that until the "final revelation" takes place (which is the merging of ShivBap and Rambap), Father Shiv is sitting "behind the scenes" and so we brahmins (BKs or PBKs) who are still body-conscious cannot actually fully know the exact form of Father Shiv, except to "assume" with our best efforts that He is a point of light and keep practising this form of remembrance and keep churning deeper on the Murlis. After all, no-one can "prove" His form, how he truly comes and goes in chariots, yes we may have very deep divine feelings and even visions, but this is all we have to hold onto, and so in a sense any brahmin who say they know or have found God has actually fallen into "Bhakti". I am not saying what we brahmins currently doing is wrong, but saying we will only know the real truth (revelation and glorification) only when we continue to study right up to the end because if we fully knew who Father Shiv is now, then there is little purpose for us to be here in this world. When we are truly soul conscious, we have no thoughts of body consiousness or even about being points of light. We just have to be. Yoga is then not 4 or 8 hours but 24 hours.
Your overall view ? Sorry it is hard to put down on paper. Please correct as much of my above remarks as you wish. Maybe even the things were are discussing here are being reported back to Rambap who, as it suggests, is still learning, and Rambap will still have to merge with ShivBap later to become ShivBaba (via body of Virendra Dev Dixit). In a sense, Rambap is still learning with us, and at the end we will all go home to the other shore together. Relevation takes place in a second, so how can some souls think they get the revelation yesterday and others tomorrow.
My understanding is the realisation of Father Shiv is accurately gotten by developing the relationships with Father Shiv, and until we are truly equal to One, then we can recognise Him. Otherwise, we are still "guessing" albeit close guesses. Murlis remind us "Do we like this study", it does not say "You can stop studying now".