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Sakar Murli Points for churning

Post by arjun » 17 May 2006

Om Shanti.

If everyone agrees then I wish to start a thread in this section where we present some important Murli points (one each daily) from the latest Murlis published by the BKs, which give hints towards the advance knowledge being narrated by ShivBaba to the PBKs. Each of these Murli point will be followed by a question for the BKs to answer or at least think/churn about its deeper meaning. Sometimes these Murli points may also show a contrast between what Baba has been telling in the Murlis and what we children have been doing.

This thread is concieved to be interactive, but if members feel that it is interesting to just read the Murli points and questions even without anyone giving a response, then we will continue this thread. Actually, some PBK had tried to start such a thread in the BKs/PBKs section of the XBKChat forum, but the thread was promptly deleted by the Admin. So in order to avoid any misunderstandings, I seek the opinion of the honourable members beforehand.

As an example I am posting the first Murli point & the related question as a sample.
With regards,
On Godly service,
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No.1 – Obtaining knowledge face to face and “Trimurti”

Post by arjun » 17 May 2006

"Yahaan tum sammukh ho. ShivBaba say sun rahey ho. Vah manushya srishti ka beejroop, gyaan ka sagar, anand ka sagar hai. Gita gyaan daata parampita Trimurti Shiv Parmatma vaach. Trimurti akshar jaroor daalna hai kyunki Trimurti ka toh gaayan hai na. Brahma dwara sthaapana. Toh jaroor Brahma dwara hee gyaan sunaayengey. Krishna toh aisey nahi kah sakenge ki Shiv Bhagwanuvaach. Prerana say kuch hota nahi. Na unmay ShivBaba kee praveshata ho sakti hai." (Mu. dinaank 15.04.05)

"Here you are sitting face to face. You are hearing from ShivBaba. He is the seed form of this human world, ocean of knowledge, ocean of love, ocean of joy. The sermonizer of Gita knowledge, Supreme Father, Trimurti Shiva Supreme Soul speaks. The word 'Trimurti' should invariably be added because Trimurti is famous, is not it? Establishment is said to take place through Brahma, so certainly knowledge will be narrated through Brahma only. Krishna will not say that "God Shiva speaks". Nothing takes place through inspiration. Neither ShivBaba can enter into him." (Mu. dated 15.04.05)·

* The BKs who are listening to Murlis at the BK centres after 1969, cannot say that they are listening to Murlis from ShivBaba face to face. Then, does the above Murli point apply only to the children existing prior to 1969? Are not the children born after 1969 entitled to listening to Murli face to face from ShivBaba?
* Baba is laying emphasis on the word 'Trimurti'. But in the picture of Trimurti published by BKs, only Dada Lekhraj has been shown in the place of Brahma. When will we come to know, who plays the roles of Shankar and Vishnu?
* Baba has said that nothing happens through inspiration. So is the Supreme Soul teaching through inspiration or through corporeal form after 1969?

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No. 2 - Father comes only once to cause true salvation

Post by arjun » 18 May 2006

"Baap kahtey hain yah sab Bhakti marg ke shastra hain, unsay mujhey prapt kar nahi saktey. Mujhey toh swayam ek hee baar aakar sabki sadgati karni hai. Aisey vaapis koi ja na sakey." (BKs dwara prakaashit Murli taareekh 19.04.05, pg.2)

"Father says that all these are the scriptures of the path of worship. Nobody can reach me through them. I have to come myself only once to cause true salvation to everyone. Otherwise, nobody can simply return (to Soul World)." (Murli dated 19.04.05, pg.2 published by BKs)

* BKs say that ShivBaba came and gave Godly knowledge through Brahma Baba. But they say that Shiva has returned to Soul World in 1969 and Brahma Baba's soul has gone to the Subtle Region after the demise of Brahma Baba. So, how can ShivBaba return to Soul World without causing true salvation to everyone as promised above? If he has not returned to Soul World, then where is He presently?

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No.3- Father needs body - Father's language Hindi

Post by arjun » 20 May 2006

"Baap gyaan ka sagar hai, (Bhaktimarg ke Geet, bhajan aadi ki) aawaaz thodey hi kartey hain. Unko kaha hee jaata hai sukh-shanti ka sagar. Toh sunaaney liye bhi unko sharir chaahiye na. Bhagwaan ki bhasha kya hai, yah koi jaantey nahi. Aisey toh nahi, Baba sab bhashaon may bolengey. Nahi, unki bhasha hai hee Hindi. Baba ek hi bhasha may samjhaatey hain, fir translate kar tum samjhaatey ho. Foreigners aadi jo bhi miley unko baap ka parichay dena hai. Baap Aadi Sanatan Devi-Devata dharma sthaapana kar rahey hain. Trimurti par samjhaana chaahiye. Prajapita Brahma kay kitney Brahmakumar-kumariyan hain. Koi bhi aaye toh pehley unsay poocho kiskey paas aaye ho? Board toh laga pada hai. Prajapita, vah toh rachney vaala ho gaya. Parantu unko Bhagwaan nahi kah saktey hain. Bhagwaan niraakaar ko hee kaha jaata hai. Yah Brahmakumar-kumariyan Brahma kee santaan hain. Tum yahaan kisliye aaye ho? Hamaarey baap say tumhaara kya kaam? Baap say bachhon ka hee kaam hoga na. Hum baap ko achhi reeti jaantey hain. Gaya hua hai-Son shows Father. Hum unkay bachhey hain." (BKs dwara prakaashit Murli taareekh 21.04.05, pg.4)

"Father is ocean of knowledge. Does he create any noise (like the songs, prayers etc. of Bhaktimarg)? He is called ocean of prosperity and peace. So, he also requires a body to narrate, is not it? Nobody knows what the language of God is. It is not true that God will speak in all the languages. No. His language is only Hindi. Baba explains in only one language. Then you translate and explain. Whoever you meet, like the foreigners etc. give them the introduction of Father. Father is establishing ancient deity religion. One must explain on the picture of Trimurti. There are so many Brahmakumar-kumaris of Prajapita. If anyone comes, you ask them first of all, "Whom do you wish to meet?" Board is displayed. Prajapita - He is the creator. But he cannot be called God. The incorporeal is called God. These Brahmakumar-kumaris are children of Brahma. Why have you come here? What is your purpose of meeting our Father? Only children will have any purpose in meeting Father, is not it? We know Father very well. It is famous-Son shows Father. We are his children." (Murli dated 21.04.05, pg.4 published by BKs)
· BKs say that God Shiva is in Paramdham since 1969 and we should remember him in Paramdham. But the above Murli point says that God also requires a body to narrate knowledge. So, ShivBaba should be present in this world, is not it?
· The above Murli point says that the language of Father is only Hindi. But Mother Brahma's language was Sindhi.
· The above Murli point speaks about meeting with Father Prajapita practically. How can we meet Prajapita? Is Gulzar Dadi called Prajapita?

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Explanation through the mouth of Brahma

Post by arjun » 24 May 2006

“Bhagwaan toh khud kahtey hain, yah mainey nahi sunaaya hai. Mera gyaan shaastron may nahi hai. Vah hai Bhaktimarg ka gyaan. Mai toh gyaan dey sadgati karke chala jaata hoon ... Bhagwaan jab aatey hain toh apna parichay detey hain-mai kahta hoon 5 hazaar varsh ka kalp hai, mai toh Brahma mukh say samjha raha hoon. Toh pehli mukhya baat buddhi may bithani hai ki bhagwaan kaun hai? Yah baat jab tak buddhi may nahi baithi hai, tab tak aur kuch bhi samjhaaney say kuch asar nahi hoga. ... Pehley pehley baap ka parichay na deney say fir jo bhee mehnat kartey hain, opinion aadi likhaatey hain, vah kuch kaam ka nahi rahta. Isliye service hoti nahi hai. Nishchay ho toh samjhein barobar Brahma dwara gyaan dey rahey hain. Manushya Brahma ko dekh kitna moonjhtey hain, kyunki baap ki pehchaan nahi hai.” [/i](BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 22.04.05, pg.1)

“God Himself says, I have not narrated this (the scriptures etc.). My knowledge is not contained in the scriptures. That is a knowledge of path of worship. I give knowledge, cause true salvation and then depart. ... When God comes He gives his own introduction - I say that the Kalpa (world cycle) is of 5000 years. I am explaining through the mouth of Brahma. So the first thing that should be fitted into anybody’s intellect is that who is God? Until and unless this matter fits into the intellect, there will not be any effect by explaining any other matter. ... Without giving the introduction of Father first of all, whatever hard work you do later on, like obtaining written opinions will not be of any use. That is why service does not take place. If they have faith then they will understand that certainly knowledge is being given (by God) through Brahma. People get so confused by seeing Brahma, because they have not recognized Father.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.04.05, pg1 published by BKs, and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

· As per the above Murli point, Father gives knowledge, causes true salvation and then departs. But BKs say that ShivBaba has returned to Paramdhaam after 1969. So has he departed without causing true salvation to anyone?
· In the above Murli point Baba has said that He is explaining through the mouth of Brahma. But in the BK centres, it is BK sisters who narrate the Murli. In Mount Abu, it is only Avyakt Vani that is narrated through Gulzar Dadi and her mouth is not called Brahma’s mouth. So at present where is ShivBaba explaining knowledge through the mouth of Brahma, as mentioned in the above Murli?

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Point no.5 - Mouth-born progeny of Brahma

Post by arjun » 26 May 2006

“Kaiyon kee takdeer may yah gyaan hai nahi. Jab tak tumhaarey kul may na aayein arthaat Brahma Mukhvanshavali na banein toh Brahman ban-ney bigar devata kaisey banengey……Aagey chal jab bahut dukh hoga toh bahut bhaagengey. Aawaaz hoga-Bhagwaan aaya hai. Tumhaarey bhi bahut centres khul jaayengey. Tum bachhon kee kami hai, dehi-abhimaani bantey nahi ho. Ajun bahut deh-abhimaan hai.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 23.04.05, pg.2)

“This knowledge is not there at all in the fate of many. Until they come to your race, i.e. until they become the mouth born progeny of Brahma, then how can they become deities without becoming Brahmins? ........When the miseries increase in future then many people will run (in search of God). There will be an uproar – God has come. Your centres will also get opened in large numbers. It is a shortcoming in you children that you do not become soul conscious. Still there is a lot of body consciousness.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 23.04.05, pg.2 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

· In the above Murli point Baba has said that one cannot get transformed from Brahmin to a deity without becoming the mouth-born progeny of Brahma. Those souls who listened to knowledge of Shiva through the mouth of Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) directly prior to 1969 became the mouth-born progeny of Brahma. After 1969 Brahma is not present. So, those souls who entered the path of knowledge after 1969 cannot be called mouth-born progeny of Brahma. So will such souls not get transformed from Brahmins to deities? BKs say that ShivBaba has returned to the Soul World after 1969. But in the above Murli point Baba says that in future there will be an sound that God has come. So God should be present in India so that he could create Brahmins, who are mouth-born progeny of Brahma and so that he could then transform them from Brahmins to deities. If God has come in the body of Brahma, then where is He?

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Point No.6 - Baba has come

Post by arjun » 09 Jun 2006

Point No.6 - Baba has come – Destruction will take place when the study gets completed – preparing the bag-baggage

"Tum kahtey ho is sangam par Baba humko padha rahey hain ... Buddhi kahti hai ki hum Kaliyug say ab nikal aaye hain. Baba aaya hua hai ... Bachhey jaantey hain-hamaari padhaai poori hogi toh vinaash hoga. Vinaash hona jaroori hai. Tumhaarey may bhi koi jaantey hain, agar yah samjhein duniya vinaash honi hai toh nayi duniya ke liye taiyyaari may lag jaayein. Bag-baggage taiyyaar kar lein. Baaki thoda samay hai, Baba kay toh ban jaayein. Bhookh marengey toh bhi pehley Baba fir bachhey. " (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 30.05.05, page 2)

"You say that Baba is teaching us in the Confluence Age ... The intellect says that we have come out of the Iron Age. Baba has come ... Children know that when our study is completed then the destruction will take place. Destruction is certainly going to take place. There are some among you who know this. If it is understood that the world is going to be destroyed then one will start preparing for the new world. One will make ready the bag-baggage. There is a little time left. We should become Baba's children. Even if anyone has to die of hunger, it will be first Baba and then children." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 30.05.06, page2 published by BKs)

· In the above Murli Baba is telling that Baba has come. If Baba has come then where is He?
· In the above Murli Baba is telling that Baba is teaching us and when our study is completed then the destruction will take place. Destruction has not taken place yet. Does it mean that Baba should be present in corporeal form to teach us?
· In the above Murli Baba is telling that if it is realized that the world is going to be destroyed then one will prepare the bag-baggage. But in the BK centres all over the world there is a competition to acquire property and means of luxury. So, should we infer that destruction is not going to take place?
· In the above Murli point Baba is telling that if anyone has to die of hunger in the Godly family, then it will be Baba first and then children. The question of Baba (i.e. corporeal medium) dying of hunger can arise only when Baba is present in a corpoeal form amongst us, just as the beggary role had taken place during the times of Brahma Baba.

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Part-7 - If you don't understand any point then you can ask

Post by arjun » 17 Jun 2006

Murli POINTS - 7

· "Har ek baat achhi reeti samjho. Kuch bhi samajh may na aaye toh pooch saktey ho. Note karo, yah yah baatein Baba say poochna hai. Mukhya hai hee Baap kay Yaad kee baat. Baaki koi sanshay aadi hai toh unko theek kar dengey." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 18.06.05, pg.1)
· "Understand each and every point nicely. If you don't understand any point then you can ask. Make a note that these points have to be asked to Baba. Main matter is regarding remembrance of the Father. As for the rest of the doubts etc. they will be clarified." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 18.6.05 page 1 published by BKs, narrated by Father Shiv through the body of Brahma Baba)

In the above Murli Baba is telling that if there is any doubt regarding knowledge then it should be put before Baba. Brahma Baba left his body in 1969. And as regards the role being played through Gulzar Dadi, ever since its beginning nobody is given an opportunity to ask any question. Then, if we children have any doubt regarding knowledge, whom should we ask? Where is the corporeal role of ShivBaba going on, from where we can get solutions to our doubts?

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Point No.8 - Prajapita is here – not in the Subtle Region

Post by arjun » 20 Jun 2006

Murli Point No.8 – Prajapita is here – not in the Subtle Region

· "Prajapita toh yahaan yahaan hona chaahiye na. Nahi toh kahaan say aayy. Baap khud samjhaatey hain, mai patit sharir may aata hoon, jaroor inko hee Prajapita kahengey. Sookshmavatan may nahi kahengey. Vahaan praja kya karegi?" (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 18.6.05, pg.2)

· "Prajapita should be here, is not it? Othewise, from where will he come? Father explains himself that I come in a sinful body. Certainly he will be called Prajapita. He cannot be said to be residing in Subtle Region. What will the subjects do there?" (Revised Sakar Murli dated 18.06.05, pg.2 published by BKs, narrated by Father Shiv through the body of Brahma Baba)

1. In the above Murli Baba is telling that Prajapita should be here. BKs say that Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) has left his body in 1969 and has gone to the Subtle Region. In the above Murli Baba is telling that Prajapita cannot be in the Subtle Region. Then, where is Prajapita?
2. Baba is telling that He enters into a sinful body. Dada Lekhraj's body can be considered to be sinful. But the body of Gulzar Dadi cannot be considered to be sinful. On the one hand she is a virgin, and on the other hand she is following the path of knowledge since her childhood. If Shiva enters into her body, as the BKs believe, then why is she not called Brahma or Prajapita? When the subjects are here in this world, then where is Prajapita?

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Post by arjun » 27 Jun 2006

Murli Point No.9 - Where did the Brahmin race of Prajapita go? – Prajapita is required – Pandavas and Kauravas are in the Confluence Age – Baba used to write and give Murli in your hands

“Abhi tum ho Brahman kul kay. Prajapita Brahma ka Brahman kul kahaan gaya? Prajapita Brahma kee toh nayi duniya chaahiye na. Nayi duniya hai Satyug. Vahaan toh Prajapita hai nahi. Kaliyug may bhi Prajapita ho nahi sakta. Vah hai Sangamyug par. Tum abhi sangam par ho. Shudra say tum Brahman baney ho. Baap nay Brahma ko adopt kiya hai. ShivBaba nay inko kaisey racha, yah koi nahi jaantey hain. Trimurti may rachata Shiv ka chitra hee nahi hai, toh maaloom kaisey padey ki oonch tay oonch bhagwaan hai. Baaki sab hain unki rachana. Yah hai Brahman sampradaay toh jaroor Prajapita chaahiye. ....Ab Brahman kahaan kay hain? Prajapita Brahma kahaan ka hai? Jaroor Sangamyug ka kahengey ... Mahabharat ladaai bhi sangam par lagi hai, na ki Satyug ya Kaliyug may. Pandav aur Kaurav, yah hai Sangam par.....Baba bhi pehley Murli likh kar tumko haath may dey detey thay. Fir sunaatey thay.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 20.6.05, pg.2)

“Now you belong to the Brahmin race. Where has the Brahmin race of Prajapita Brahma gone? Prajapita Brahma requires a new world, is not it? New world is Golden Age. Prajapita will not be present there. Prajapita cannot be in the Iron Age either. He is in the Confluence Age. Now you are in the Confluence Age. You have got transformed from Shudra to Brahmin. Father has adopted Brahma. Nobody knows how ShivBaba has created him. When the picture of creator Shiva is not present in picture of Trimurti at all then how can it be known that God is the highest among all. Rest are His creation. This is a Brahmin community, then Prajapita is certainly required.....Mahabharat war is also fought in the Confluence Age, and not in the Golden or Iron Age. Pandavas and Kauravas are in the Confluence Age.....Baba also used to initially write Murli and give it in your hands. Then he used to narrate.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 20.6.05, page 1 & 2 published by BKs)

1. When the above Murli has been narrated through Dada Lekhraj Brahma in front of the Brahmin children, then why is Baba asking that where has the Brahmin race of Prajapita Brahma gone?
2. Why is Baba telling that nobody knows how ShivBaba has created him?
3. Baba is telling that Prajapita is certainly required in the Confluence Age. So where is Prajapita?
4. Baba is telling that Kauravas and Pandavas are in the Copper Age and the Mahabharata war also takes place in the Copper Age and not in Iron Age or Golden Age. We all know that for the outside world it is Iron Age now and for us it is Copper Age now. So certainly Pandavas and Kauravas should be among the Brahmin family only.
5. Did Brahma Baba write and give Murlis to children as mentioned in the Murli or was it someone else through whom ShivBaba used to write and give Murli?

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Pt.No.10 – Both Bap & Dada are servants of children

Post by arjun » 05 Jul 2006

Murli point No.10 – Both Bap & Dada are servants of children – God has come – Death is staring at the old world

· “BapDada dono hee bachhon kay servant hain. Tumhaarey doh servant hain. Oonch tay oonch ShivBaba, fir Prajapita Brahma.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 2.6.05, pg.4)

· “Both Bap and Dada are the servants of children. You have two servants. Highest among all, i.e. ShivBaba and then Prajapita Brahma.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 2.6.05, pg.4 published by BKs)

1. When Baba is telling that both ShivBaba and Prajapita Brahma are the servants of children, then how can we children assume the titles of Chief Administrative Head, Additional Administrative Head, Director, Zonal Incharge etc.?


· “Is samay hee jabki baap nay aakar sahaj Rajyog sikhaya tha, is samay kay liye hee gaayan hai ki kaurav ghor andhiyaarey may thay aur Pandav roshni may thay. Voh log samajhtey hain Kaliyug may toh ajun 40 hazaar varsh hain. Unho ko yah pata nahi padta ki bhagwaan aaya hai, is puraani duniya ka maut saamney khada hai. Sab agyaan neend may soye padey hain.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 4.6.05, pg.2)

· “It is famous for this time only when Father had come and taught easy RajYoga that Kauravas were in total darkness and Pandavas were in light. Those people think that it will take another 40 thousand years for the Iron Age to end. They do not know that God has come; death is staring at this old world.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 4.6.05, pg.2 published by BKs)
1. If God has come then where is He?
2. If death is staring at us then why are BKs collecting properties worth crores of rupees in every big and small city of the world? Baba has permitted construction of buildings at Madhuban because children come and meet Father there. But if we collect properties throughout the world and tell the world that death is staring at us, then who will believe us?

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Pt. No.11 – Father is also present, family is also present

Post by arjun » 12 Jul 2006

Murli point No. 11 - Father is also present, family is also present

· “Baap har yek baat samjhaatey rahtey hain. Vah hai hud kee baat, hud kay Brahma rachtey hain, paalana bhi kartey hain baaki parlay nahi kartey. Stree ko adopt kartey hain. Baap bhi aakar adopt kartey hain. Kahtey hain mai inmay pravesh kar bachhon ko knowledge sunaata hoon. In dwara bachhon ko rachata hoon. Baap bhi hai, family bhi hai, yah baatein badi guhya hain. Bahut gambheer baatein hain. Mushkil koi ki buddhi may baithti hain.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 4.6.05, pg.2)

· “Father explains each and every matter. That is a matter of limited sense. The Brahma of limited sense create, sustain but do not destroy. They adopt a woman (i.e. wife). Father also comes and adopts. He says that I enter into him and narrate knowledge to the children. I create children through him. Father is also present, family is also present. These are very deep matters, very serious matters. These matters hardly fit into anybody’s intellect.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 4.6.05, pg.2 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Dada Lekhraj, i.e. Brahma Baba)

- If Father has come and created a family then where are the mother and Father. In the BK family we find only brothers and sisters, but where are the mother and Father? Why is this matter of family described by Baba as very deep, serious matters?

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Pt.No.12 – 7 days course and bhatti

Post by arjun » 18 Jul 2006

Murli Point No.12 – 7 days course and bhatti

· “Koi virley 7 roz ka course uthaatey hain, 7 roz kee bhi baat ab kya hai. Gita ka paath bhi 7 din rakhtey hain. Saat din tumko bhi bhatti may padna hai. ... 7 roz ka course koi bada thodey hee hai.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 15.6.05, pg.3)

· “Rarely someone undergoes the 7 days course. Even the matter of 7 days is not a big matter. The discourses of Gita are also organized for 7 days. You have to undergo the 7 days bhatti. ... 7 days course is not a big matter.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 15.6.05, pg.3 published by BKs)

During the time of Brahma Baba BKs used to undergo 7 days bhatti, in which they had to live in Madhuban only and there was no contact with the outside world. But after the demise of Brahma Baba the 7 days bhatti is neither organized at Madhuban or at any BK centre. But Baba is telling that you children must undergo the 7 days bhatti. So, where is the 7 days bhatti being organized?

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Murli Pt. No.13 – Children’s letter to Baba

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Murli Pt. No.13 – Children’s letter to Baba

· “Baap kahtey hain merey toh tum hee ho. Tumhaarey oopar hamaara moh bhi hai. Chitthi nahi likhtey ho toh ona ho jaata hai. Achhey-achhey bachhon kee chitthi nahi aati hai. Achhey-achhey bachhon ko ekdam Maya khatma kar deti hai. Jaroor deh-abhimaan hai. Baap kahtey rahtey hain apni khushkhairafat likho.Baba bachhon say poochtey hain bachhey tumko Maya hairaan toh nahi karti hai.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 21.6.05, pg.2)

· “Father says that for me only you are there. I have attachment also towards you. If you do not write letter then I get emotional. Nice children do not send letters. Maya completely destroys nice children. Certainly they have body consciousness. Father says write about your well-being. Baba asks children, ‘O Children, does Maya trouble you?’ ” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 21.6.05, page 2 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

--- Until Brahma Baba was alive, children used to write letters to ShivBaba, C/o Brahma and Baba used to reply in red letters. Since 1969 ShivBaba is not present in the corporeal form, then how should children write letters to Baba? In the role being played through Gulzar Dadi children do not get a chance to give letters. Then, how should children write about their well-being to Baba?

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Murli Pt. No.14 - Father has come practically

Post by arjun » 05 Aug 2006

Murli Pt.No.-14 – Father has come practically – Brahma should be here - I entered into him and changed his name

· "Kahtey hain fursat nahi. Arey ! Aadha kalp pukaartey aaye ho, ab vah practical may aaya hua hai. Baap ko aana hi hai ant may. ... Maashook aaya hua hai, jisko hum pukaartey thay, jaroor koi sharir may aaya hoga. ... Brahma bhi jaroor manushya srishti may hee hoga. Brahma kee vanshavali gaayi hui hai. Bhagwaan manushya srishti kee rachana kaisey kartey hain, yah koi nahi jaantey. Brahma toh yahaan hona chaahiye na. ... Brahma toh koi creator nahi hai. Creator toh ek niraakaar hee hai. Aatmaen bhi niraakaar hain. Kisi nay create nahi kiya. Fir Brahma kahaan say aaya? Baap kahtey hain - mainey ismay pravesh kar naam badli kiya. Tum Brahmanon kay bhi naam badli kiye." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 15.07.05, page 3 evam 4)

· "People say that we don't have time. Arey ! You have been calling me since half a Kalpa. Now he has come in a practical form. Father has to come at the end only. ...The beloved has come whom we used to call. Definitely He must have come in some body ... Brahma will also be certainly in the human world only. The genealogy of Brahma is famous. Nobody knows how God creates the human world. Brahma should be here, is not it? ... Brahma is not a creator. Creator is one incorporeal only. Souls are also incorporeal. They are anaadi (infinite or one without any beginning). Nobody has created. Then where did Brahma come from? Father says - I entered into him and changed his name. The names of you Brahmins were also changed." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 15.07.05, page 3 & 4 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

1. Baba is telling that Father has come practically and Brahma should also be here in this world in a human body. BKs say that after 1969 Father Shiva is in Soul World and Brahma is in the Subtle Region. Then where actually are Father Shiva and Brahma present practically?
2. Baba is telling that "I entered into him (Dada Lekhraj) and changed his name (from Dada Lekhraj to titleholder Brahma)." BKs say that both Shiv and Brahma enter into Gulzar Dadi. Then why is not she called Brahma?

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