arjun wrote: I tried to read your post twice, but could not see any advice there. Can you kindly point out the sentence where you have given an advice? You have just expressed your views on Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit.
sachkhand wrote: They better understand what they are doing and correct themselves ... Instead of blindfolding physically he mentally blindfolds his sex organs. Can such a man be called as Kamajeet ... (people) say, "Woman are Maya, Woman is not Maya; (people) say Gold (wealth) as Maya, Gold (wealth) is not Maya; (people) say Land as Maya, Land is not Maya; Desires in front of mind is Maya understand ... people who are desiring sexual gratification are provided with this sexual saccharin by him. Such people too get intoxicated by this sexual saccharin and think of themselves to be a yogi. Actually they are fooling themselves ... Beware of dogly services rendered by many pseudo Krishnas.
ex-I wrote: Thank you and let me congratulate you on your post ...
I do not expect or require any congratulations. I would have really become happy if you had congratulated me for the post "Explanation Reuired" where I have written many important Murli points. Instead of making me happy your congratulation has made me sorrowful. In what a pathetic are we people. People are more interested in tantric knowledge than in Murlis of The GodFather Shiv. People find more solace in giving pain than in gaining happiness.
ex-I wrote: On the basis of reliable sources, this was my understanding ...
You could have posted yourself on this subject.
ex-I wrote: Sachkand, can you provide for us any further details? Does the practise continue? How is it initiated?
I actually do not know.
ex-I wrote: he might have just made a few old unloved ladies very happy. Personally, if it was all consensual, (i.e. all parties accepted and agreed to it) then I have no problem
Who cares whether you have or do not have problem? No one asks your permission.
ex-I wrote: Please bear in mind that during at least the early history of the yugya, Lekhraj Kirpalani was accused to doing the same either directly or on a more subtle level ... taking spiritual energy from others, mainly young women.
ex-I wrote: Sometimes I wonder if BapDada is taking actually energy from all their followers to sustain their position/experience
Energy exchange is continuously taking place between each other and between us and our surroundings. No one can stop it. The Elixir is flowing which is sustaining this coporeal world and Life. But when human being goes against the NATURAL FLOW of This Elixir problems occur. For this reason it is said in Murlis that no one can teach RajYoga other than The GodFather Shiv. And that when GodFather teaches RajYoga Heaven is created and when human beings teach RajYoga it becomes hell. But how does He (Shiv) teach? He teaches RajYoga through Prajapita Brahma Who is also His wife. So natural flow of The Elixir is from The Source, The GodFather Shiv, through Prajapita Brahma to this corporeal world.
There is no need for BapDada to draw energy (in the form of exploitation) from anyone, be it male or female, young or old. The Combination, BapDada, is The Source. But egoistic people who are power hungry want to control and rule over others. There is plenty in this world to sustain everyone and keep everyone happy. But egoistic people do not like to see people happy. They want people to remain unhappy so that they can rule them. Such people disturb the natural flow of The Elixir. And for this they practice such tantric ways.
Virendra Dev Dixit has explained many a times that there is need of thorn to unpick thorn i.e., Virendra Dev Dixit thinks that through sex he can overcome sex. It is impossible. Even Osho Rajneesh has proposed this theory of experiencing Samadhi through sex (he has written a book on it, if you are interested you can read it.). But is there any need for The GodFather Shiv to use thorn (sex) to unpick thorn (sex)? Does He (BapDada, The combination of Shiv and Prajapita) need to instigate women to have sex with him? NO.
Even in the early history of Yagnya there was no instigation. People used to have vision of Sri Krishna by just seeing Lekhraj Kirpalani. Then why is it said in the Bhagwat that Krishna does Raas Leela? In Murli it is clearly stated that this story is actually of Prajapita not of Krishna of Satyug (and it is nowhere said that it is part of Shankar). But is this Raas Leela same as what you have written or what Virendra Dev Dixit is teaching? NO. Shiv through Prajapita or even Prajapita alone never instigates any women for sex. But when women go in front of Him or think of Him, they (women) cannot control the upsurge of Love. As human organs are polluted and habituated for sex they get aroused.
But flow of The Elixir within will purify our organs and natural state of the flow of Elixir will be attained and we will get Purified. That is the reason it is said in Murlis do not think of Brahma Baba without considering Him as ShivBaba. Why? Because even Lekhraj Kirpalani who is Prajapita also is degraded, in the sense natural flow of The Elixir within him was not attained. Actually, the natural flow within Him is disturbed by those people who are poking their nose in it for gaining power. And therefore blockades are created within Prajapita to stop such egoistic devilish people gaining control of The Elixir.
Because of this He too degrades, i.e. the natural flow of The Elixir is disturbed within Prajapita too. And therefore he is shyam, i.e. black. And this in turn affects the total creation. Thus the creation degrade but there is a limit. Egoistic people cannot continue to degrade Prajapita (Bharat). At some point of time this will begin DESTRUCTION PROCESS. When will destruction process begin? When establishment is completed. That is when Deity souls recognise Prajapita and there is clear understanding of Prajapita in their intellect which no one can shake. And this will retain the natural flow of The Elixir. Prajapita is then Sunder, i.e. beautiful. And then Silence power will win over Science power.
ex-I wrote: and whether in offering food etc, the BKs are "feeding" these spirits just as spiritualists and ancestor worshippers do.
Supreme Soul Shiv has His own Chariot. Shiv is "Abhokta". And His Chariot Prajapita is not in the skies where he needs to be fed by you people through offerings of food. He is in this corporeal world with his own corporeal body.
There is no need for BaapDada to take your offerings. It is Love that is exchanged. But people like you cannot understand Love without sex. Have you never experienced Love of your mother, Father, brother, sister, friend, colleagues, etc have you not experienced love of your wife/husband (depending on whether you are male/female) when you are not engaged in sex or not thinking of sex? Think over it.
ex-I wrote: On the other hand, the theory Tantric, Taoist and sex yogis also suggest
Sorry. I am not here to learn or understand tantra or taoism or teaching of sex yogis.
ex-I wrote: Who is willing, BK or PBK, to step forward and grasp the nettle regarding this issue?
I think explanation given above is enough. You may continue digging in sex education if you wish. Love is Eternal.