Post-cult therapy

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Post by fluffy bunny » 19 Jun 2006

Not entirely sure where thisought to go, so I thought better to put it here before recommending it to the Abuse Forum. An post-cult speciality therapist ;

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcece ... /onesself/

Actually, the subtitle I would like to stick on this is *value* your assistance. Do a diploma in counselling and set yourselves up in business. This guy charges $ 100 for the first half an hour assessment ! ... There is gold in them thar cults but what he says is fair enough.
To truly recover from an undue influence situation, most people require specialized cult counseling. Traditional psychotherapy almost never works.

The reason for this, quite simply, is that most therapists are not trained to help someone with mind control and cult-related problems. I cannot tell you how many people have complained to me that they wound up spending their money on therapy sessions in which they had to teach the therapist about cult mind control. It is only after receiving specialized counseling that many come to realize the years of unnecessary suffering they endured. One of the most common complaints I hear from my clients is how their therapist ignored, minimized, or simply did not understand the deception, manipulation and mind control that are hallmarks of the cult experience. Many were mistakenly directed by their therapists to look at childhood issues to explain why they ‘joined’ the cult, ignoring the fact that most members are deceptively recruited. What I have learned as a counselor and ex-member is that dealing with childhood issues is usually best done after dealing with the entire mind control experience.

Many of the individuals I have counseled left the cult or abusive relationship years ago, some as many as 30 years ago, but have suffered from programmed cult beliefs ever since. Ex-members who have not yet gotten effective counseling often experience a variety of psychological and relationship problems—anxiety disorders, panic attacks, sleep disorders, lack of trust, paranoia, feelings of alienation. Untreated, they often become especially vulnerable to the normal stresses of life, such as health problems, the deaths of friends and loved ones, divorce and, especially in recent years, economic pressures and the threat of terrorism. In addition, ex-members are often unconsciously triggered by environmental cues that are part of their left-over cult programming. Some ex-members get to the point that they actually think about returning to the cult, or feel they must seek out some new guru, leader, or group. It takes time and effort to get beyond the black and white, us-versus-them, elitist mentality that cults tend to program into their members.

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Post by abrahma kumar » 24 Jan 2007

Thanks ex-I, Nothing to think about indeed!

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Post by mr green » 25 Jan 2007

Becoming normal again is not easy, especially if your exit has been traumatic.

One of the reasons I would like the BKWSU to honour the original offer of compensation that Dadi Janki made to me is then I could even think about being able to afford such a thing as therapy. But considering individuals in their organisation abused their position to get their own bills paid, I cannot afford it ... cannot even afford regular vodka therapy :lol:.

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Have a drink!

Post by proy » 05 Feb 2007

Mr Green wrote:Becoming normal again is not easy, especially if your exit has been traumatic.
One of the reasons I would like the BKWSU to honour the original offer of compensation that Dadi Janki made to me is then I could even think about being able to afford such a thing as therapy. But considering individuals in their organisation abused their position to get their own bills paid, I cannot afford it ... cannot even afford regular vodka therapy :lol:.
Yes, therapy is good and we all need it after what we have been through. My man John Lawrence cost £50 an hour. He was worth it but we were lucky to have the money. If I see you in the pub Mr. Green then I will gladly buy you a vodka. :P

Have you thought about going to the small claims court. I can give you some details. They are very cheap and informal.

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Post by fluffy bunny » 06 Feb 2007

proy wrote:Have you thought about going to the small claims court. I can give you some details. They are very cheap and informal.
Is not Small Claims for £5,000 or less (or £1,000 or less if the claim is for personal injury)? May be he could claim back just part of his loss.

There are other laws, e.g. one for fraudulent mediumship, which might be interesting ... you could demand the Murlis are provided as evidence as court documents. There is also a lawyer in the UK that specialises in getting back money from cults. I'd be very surprised if the BKWSU would not settle out of court as they would not want to have all their dirt made public. Their costs would be more than Mr Green's claim is.

Especially now that the press and media have gotten wind of their financial dealings. Contact her via;Catalyst are anti-cult counsellors.

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Make a mint!

Post by proy » 06 Feb 2007

ex-l wrote:Is not Small Claims for £5,000 or less
Yes, I have checked this and you are right ex-l. A good source of information is http://www.which.co.uk/smallclaims
ex-l wrote:There are other laws, e.g. one for fraudulent mediumship, which might be interesting ... you could demand the Murlis are provided as evidence as court documents. I'd be very surprised if the BKWSU would not settle out of court as they would not want to have all their dirt made public. Their costs would be more than Mr Green's claim is. Especially now that the press and media have gotten wind of their financial dealings.
This sounds like a better idea. If they do not want their dirty washing aired in public, or their precious Murlis quoted in court, then they will give you a bindle of loot Mr Green. ex-l, could Mr. Green claim for his personal suffering and distress on top of claiming back the actual cash money he was defrauded out of?

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Post by mr green » 06 Feb 2007

Thanks guys, I need all the help I can get apart from vodka :lol:

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Scotch

Post by proy » 06 Feb 2007

Mr Green wrote:Thanks guys, I need all the help I can get apart from vodka :lol:
I agree. Single Malt is best. :wink:

You could try; http://www.thelaw.com/forums/

Instead of the single malt or the vodka. Lots of good free advice on there about legal matters.

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Post by fluffy bunny » 08 Feb 2007

proy wrote:Instead of the single malt or the vodka. Lots of good free advice on there about legal matters.
I must admit, beyond how best to handle attorneys (put everything in writing, always document what you have said/agreed to do/try agree aprice upfront not let them run up a bill), I cannot offer any further advice.

In the UK you have more of a difficulty than in the US. You would have to demonstrate what losses you have incurred, e.g. loss of earning etc, and the mental emotional stuff is hard to quantify. You really need experienced legal opinion and the solicitor that Baldwin works with specializes in cult matters.

I am willing to advise you on spiritual matters but cannot advise you on matters of the spirit. I have only tried sipping the stuff twice - and I mean a touch of the tongue - and it gave me a headache right away. I still don't drink. I am still on non-alcoholic beers.

A strong Valerian tea, on the other hand, is a good herbal hit to calm you down and send you to sleep.

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Post by tinydot » 08 Feb 2007

ex-l wrote:A strong Valerian tea, on the other hand, is a good herbal hit to calm you down and send you to sleep.
Has anyone tried Kava drink. It gives some "numbing effect". This drink has some relaxing effects, too.

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Post by zhuk » 10 Apr 2007

^^I have, and it is indeed relaxing ... but has been deemed illegal now in Australia because some idiotic Norwegian who already had cirrhosis took an overdose of it and died of liver failure :roll:.

Probably still available in the UK & US though. Unfortunately I seem to be allergic to valerian ... makes my heartrate go up to 170bpm! :shock:

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Kava and friends

Post by joel » 10 Apr 2007

zhuk wrote:I have, and it indeed relaxing...but has been deemed illegal now in Aust because some idiotic Norwegian who already had cirrhosis took an overdose of it and died of liver failure :roll:. Probably still available in the UK & US though. Unfortunately I seem to be allergic to valerian...makes my heartrate go up to 170bpm! :shock:
There are still lots of other substances to choose from. Some are legal. Others are readily available. This could be the start of another thread:

What substances do ex-BK find of value for mood-modulating? Perhaps a poll would be better so that individual votes would be (somewhat) confidential.

Does use of substances to mood-modulate preclude a relationship with God? Or just some substances? For example, coffee, doughnuts, chocolate and ice cream are okay (you can still commune with God), whereas tobacco, alcohol and canvas are not.

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Post by bro neo » 15 Apr 2007

I was already alcoholic and a recovering drugy when I went into Gyan, so sex is the only real comfort I can take from Maya now. That and obsessive greed for money, of course, but money isn’t exactly something that I come by easily.

The Sedona Method is really great though. I have just recently come across it and have been doing it for about a month. The mood altering seems a lot more then temporary and it gives great relief.

The method is based on a technique where we fully experience and allow what ever we are feeling in the moment or about a certain situation to come into our awareness. Then we ask ourselves could we let this feeling go. Then we ask, would I let it go, then we invite ourselves to let the feeling go forever by asking ourselves the 3rd question, when?

This method is incredible in its simplicity but it seems to have a very good fundamental concept of how the subconscious works. There is a bit more then mentioned above that involves letting go of unwanted beliefs, which the method says is the source of unwanted feelings.

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Post by joel » 15 Apr 2007

bro neo wrote:The Sedona Method is really great though. I have just recently come across it and have been doing it for about a month. The mood altering seems a lot more then temporary and it gives great relief.

The method is based on a technique where we fully experience and allow what ever we are feeling in the moment or about a certain situation to come into our awareness. Then we ask ourselves could we let this feeling go. Then we ask, would I let it go, then we invite ourselves to let the feeling go forever by asking ourselves the 3rd question, when?
Hi Neo,

Welcome. We've been waiting for you, Neo.:wink:

Does the method exist without its teachers? In boxing we speak of Joe Frazier's right cross, not just a right in abstract. Actually, I think all feelings are 'wanted' in that they all arise toward guiding us to our deepest selves. I want all my feelings, even the ones I try to avoid or rid myself of. Mostly I've gotten beyond wanting to rid myself of myself.

I don't believe a formula can address the deepest soul wounds. Allowing oneself to experience what one feels is a good start. Not everyone can just do it, since we have such a huge life history of dissociating from certain parts of our experience. How can you release what you've never allowed yourself to experience?

We don't allow ourselves to experience aspects we believe are unlovable.

Having an "Answer" or The Answer(tm) is not really helpful when it our our own story in which questions and answers arrive. There can be no answer from outside, since I am the only one conversant with my situation. It is my life that will answer all my questions, whether to my own satisfaction or otherwise.

Regards,

P.S. your avatar projects coolness and toughness.

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Post by john » 15 Apr 2007

joel wrote:P.S. your avatar projects coolness and toughness.
Eeeeeek! Keanu Reeves cool?!?!? Mind you he is able to play many varied roles, take 'Bill and Ted' for example :lol:

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