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by john
16 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

Hi John M Most of what you say I agree with to some point, it is not that I don't understand you or agree. I am just saying let's do more. For a long time I survived on maybe 20 Murlis, I thought it was OK, but looking back and now having access to so many more has made me realise that yes, I was OK...
by john
16 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

Also I think it makes some of the things said by PBKs to be on shaky ground. Veerendra Dev Dixit was sent copies of the documents and literature from the 1940's BKSWU and he has made no comment. To me it also reveals that he doesn't know the exact history. How can ShivBaba not know the accurate his...
by john
16 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

I can see that you consider that the questions you asked are important. I consider them mere horizontal knowledge. Gyan is vertical knowledge. How can you say you know Gyan without knowing what is in all the Murlis? Gyan IS the Murlis, without all the Murlis, Gyan is incomplete. Like the bible is i...
by john
15 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

Dear Brother, what is accurate remembrance for you? My method is the same as BKs, remember Shiva as point of light in Paramdham. I don't know if it is the most accurate way, but from my studies of Murli, that seems to be the strongest message that I pick up. I am very interested how remembrance evo...
by john
15 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

Hi John, I studied Sakar and Avyakt Murlis with the BK. My experiences both with the BK and since the BK seem to me to be far from that which you suggest. I am not sure what you mean by what I suggest. I suggest as the title says more research into the BKSWU, everyone is free to then draw their own...
by john
15 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

john morgan wrote:I think that the emphasis should be on how The Knowledge can be used to best effect.
The best effect of Knowledge is to have accurate remembrance.
by john
15 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

John M You speak of Murli. Which Murli? Is it Sakar Murli? Is it Piu Vani? Is it Avyakt Vani? Which Murli have you read prior to 1965? BKSWU say ShivBaba entered in 1936. That makes 33 years of Sakar Murli of which 5 years are only available. Tell me John M, where are the 28 missing years? My friend...
by john
14 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: One Chariot of Shiva.
Replies: 7
Views: 1596

Re: One Chariot of Shiva.

arjun wrote: The theory of 2 chariots originated on the basis of the Sakar Murlis which speak of the appointed Chariot. So, there should also be a temporary Chariot.
But are there any Murli quotes regarding a temporary Chariot or is it just an assumption/manmat?
by john
14 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

Bansy Yes, there are different motives for looking into the history of BKSWU. Myself I think if BKs really believe in the lesson of 'Drama', they will not be afraid, the truth is for the best and best for all concerned. I do not see it as a way of disproving BKSWU, but proving what it really is and ...
by john
13 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Research into BKWSU.
Replies: 38
Views: 6781

Re: Research into BKSWU.

I think that enough research of BKWSU history has been done on the forum by many Brothers (especially ex-l) which proves that history of BKWSU as projected by BKs is on very shaky foundation. I think that the need of the hour is to study the Murlis and Vanis and try to understand the hidden secrets...
by john
09 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Picture Of Shiva Baba
Replies: 103
Views: 13469

Re: Picture Of Shiva Baba

“Only you know – how the Father makes you His children and then teaches you. So, which method should we adopt so that we could keep remembering the Father every moment? The Father gives advice – Everyone should keep the picture of Shiv in his/her house . By seeing the picture of ShivBaba people wou...
by john
09 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: One Chariot of Shiva.
Replies: 7
Views: 1596

One Chariot of Shiva.

Sakar Murli 2009/03/25 Revised I come at the confluence of every cycle and tell you how I come and whose body I enter. There is no question of becoming confused about this. This is a predestined drama. I only come in the one . Establishment takes place through the Father of Humanity. He becomes the ...
by john
04 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Trance Messengers
Replies: 5
Views: 1482

Re: Trance Messengers

Who or what was Avyakt Brahma the trance messenger sisters used to see.
Was it ever explained?
by john
02 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Picture Of Shiva Baba
Replies: 103
Views: 13469

Re: Picture Of Shiva Baba

The Father is the One riding in the Chariot, but people think that He changed His form, entered the body of Krishna and gave knowledge. However, it was not like that. There is now also Prajapita. This can be explained very clearly using the picture of the Trimurti. You definitely need the image of ...
by john
01 Apr 2009
Forum: For Ex-BKs & Common Room
Topic: Trance Messengers
Replies: 5
Views: 1482

Re: Trance Messengers

There has been the experience of trance from childhood. In a state of trance you do not have any awareness of this world and this practice has continued since the days of Pakistan. We did not have the experience of the Subtle Regions in the beginning, it was just experiences of the Golden Age - how...